• What is Piracy?
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;29312922]Sneaking into a movie theatre without paying isn't wrong because you're getting free entertainment it's wrong because you're trespassing[/QUOTE] It's wrong for both reasons. You're "stealing"(Technically criminally converting) the entertainment. [editline]20th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobs Your Uncle;29314541]The piracy laws shouldn't be so strict. Some families are in tight positions financially and can't afford these luxurys. Besides, if they pirate it they obviously weren't going to buy it anyway.[/QUOTE] Erm, being poor is no justification for "stealing" movies and music. It's not a justification for any sort of crime, really. [editline]20th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Hamushka11;29312967]Lost sales only occur if you intended to buy the game, but then pirated it.[/QUOTE] Yes, but you can't prove intent either way. Whether or not you intended to buy the game, you were interested in it enough to pirate it.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29315025] [editline]20th April 2011[/editline] Erm, being poor is no justification for "stealing" movies and music. It's not a justification for any sort of crime, really.[/QUOTE] I'm not poor and €50 is a lot of money that I am not willing to spend for a single game. Piracy mentality is often 'why would I pay shitloads when I can get it for free'
[QUOTE=BrQ;29315053]I'm not poor and €50 is a lot of money that I am not willing to spend for a single game. Piracy mentality is often 'why would I pay shitloads when I can get it for free'[/QUOTE] Just because you can get it free doesn't mean you should.
[QUOTE=DragonFire91;29315097]Just because you can get it free doesn't mean you should.[/QUOTE] It's still a choice of paying €50 or paying nothing
[QUOTE=BrQ;29315126]It's still a choice of paying €50 or paying nothing[/QUOTE] Alright. You can pay 1000$ for an HD TV. Or you can steal it, and pay nothing. You can pay 1$ for a coke, or you can steal it, and pay nothing. I mean, prices for a lot of products have gone up without there being more content. It's called inflation. Prices for shit go up over time due to changes in the value of money.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29315544]Alright. You can pay 1000$ for an HD TV. Or you can steal it, and pay nothing. You can pay 1$ for a coke, or you can steal it, and pay nothing. I mean, prices for a lot of products have gone up without there being more content. It's called inflation. Prices for shit go up over time due to changes in the value of money.[/QUOTE] What? What's your point?
[QUOTE=Mooe94;29315628]What? What's your point?[/QUOTE] He's arguing that the high price is a justification for not paying the price, IE: Stealing it.
Why couldn't the pirate get into the movie theathre? cus it was rated AAARRRRRRRRR
[QUOTE=BrQ;29314963]Piracy happens because of the increasing price tag while games get less content each time. Also €50 is a lot for a game and I will never spend more than 30€ for a single game. All games I have on my steam are either cheap, were on reduction or another way like buying only a cd key.[/QUOTE] Piracy has always been around. Read my previous post about bootlegs.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29315544]Alright. You can pay 1000$ for an HD TV. Or you can steal it, and pay nothing. You can pay 1$ for a coke, or you can steal it, and pay nothing. I mean, prices for a lot of products have gone up without there being more content. It's called inflation. Prices for shit go up over time due to changes in the value of money.[/QUOTE] Try stealing an HD TV The thing that makes piracy so appealing is that you won't get caught for it. (unless you live at those few countries that block you from the internet or something) I don't care if it's inflation or not. I (and many others) am not going to pay 50 euros for a game. [editline]20th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Treybuchet;29315731]He's arguing that the high price is a justification for not paying the price, IE: Stealing it.[/QUOTE] yeah except its not stealing at all
[QUOTE=BrQ;29316628]Try stealing an HD TV The thing that makes piracy so appealing is that you won't get caught for it. (unless you live at those few countries that block you from the internet or something) I don't care if it's inflation or not. I (and many others) am not going to pay 50 euros for a game. [editline]20th April 2011[/editline] yeah except its not stealing at all[/QUOTE] This is the worst arguement for this topic. Let's get to the point and move on.
[QUOTE=AK'z;29316703]This is the worst arguement for this topic. Let's get to the point and move on.[/QUOTE] sounds like you haven't got anything to say right now, so why don't you just say nothing!
[QUOTE=BrQ;29316723]sounds like you haven't got anything to say right now, so why don't you just say nothing![/QUOTE] I have got something to say, I just said it. :raise:
[QUOTE=AK'z;29316751]I have got something to say, I just said it. :raise:[/QUOTE] anything useful
Pirating is copying. So it's different than stealing. But still it's being cheap.
[QUOTE=BrQ;29316628]Try stealing an HD TV The thing that makes piracy so appealing is that you won't get caught for it. (unless you live at those few countries that block you from the internet or something) [/quote] Crime is still illegal even if you won't get caught. There are tons of crimes that happen that don't get caught. Nobody gets prosecuted or arrested. Nothing happens, but a crime has still been committed. Doesn't make them any more right. [quote] I don't care if it's inflation or not. I (and many others) am not going to pay 50 euros for a game. [/quote] So you aren't going to pay the accepted market price for a game. If you want the price to go down, if you don't want them to think charging that much is okay, don't pirate it, don't do any of that. That makes them add DRM, and raise the price because they had to spend time and space on DRM. Just don't buy the game. It makes the same point, they put less DRM on it, and the price goes down. High prices on a commodity are no reason to steal it. Just because you think it's reasonable to take something you haven't paid for because of the price, it doesn't become more legal or reasonable. [quote] yeah except its not stealing at all[/QUOTE] Alright. We get that piracy isn't theft in the traditional sense. But we use stealing as short hand because it's a. less abstract and more understandable and b. shorter and easier to say than intellectual property violation or copyright infringement. Now, intellectual property as well as idea copying/theft has existed for a while. Piracy, as the infringement of exclusive rights in copyright law(Exclusive rights being ownership, publication, things like that), has also existed for a while. Since the 1600s, to be exact. Piracy is copyright infringement. While it isn't theft, stealing is still a convenient shorthand. Piracy generally refers to the copying and publication, unauthorized, for personal financial gain, up until recent times. It still referred to the same thing, the same sort of crime. Piracy has never been considered theft, or any of the directly related crimes to theft in court cases. Dowling v US pretty much straight up said that. However, it's still copyright infringement, and still illegal.
When you download something and don't pay anything to the owners. That's piracy. I personally think that piracy is wrong.
I've been a part of a pirate community since 2007, and the main reasons people have pirated is; - Too expensive, even $10 games. Either they're kids with no money, or $10 is a lot in their country. - Don't want extra programs / accounts installed besides the game (Such as steam, EA downloader, GameSpy, etc) - Pure tradition, they completely forget about paying is an option, and they continue to pirate it. Besides the second one, none of them can be dealed with. My definition of pirating is to share media with others, without the creators permission.
[QUOTE=Silverman;29301426]But also, does it count as stealing ? It's more like copying.[/QUOTE] Actually, more like sharing.
[QUOTE=Tools;29319712]I've been a part of a pirate community since 2007, and the main reasons people have pirated is; - Too expensive, even $10 games. Either they're kids with no money, or $10 is a lot in their country. - Don't want extra programs / accounts installed besides the game (Such as steam, EA downloader, GameSpy, etc) - Pure tradition, they completely forget about paying is an option, and they continue to pirate it. Besides the second one, none of them can be dealed with. My definition of pirating is to share media with others, without the creators permission.[/QUOTE] I can sort of understand number 2. The others are unacceptable. [editline]20th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Maximo13;29319730]Actually, more like sharing.[/QUOTE] If I go to a magazine store and take pictures of all the pages in the magazine, is that "sharing" too?
[QUOTE=-z-e-m-i-;29319569]When you download something and don't pay anything to the owners. That's piracy. I personally think that piracy is wrong.[/QUOTE] But the owners were the ones responsible for hosting it. :raise:
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;29301406]Aquring a game/music/movie/whatever on the internet without paying for it or having it shared to you by someone in some form of digital storage like a CD, HDD, USB flash memory and etc. That is my defenition of piracy[/QUOTE] My definition of piracy is: the process in which I use a naval vessel to take over another naval vessel by use of force.
Piracy: The acquisition of digital materials, that by any other means besides gifting, one would have to pay for to acquire, for free. (I worded it so that the self entitled little twats (pirates) couldn't understand it)
[QUOTE=not_Morph53;29320135]My definition of piracy is: the process in which I use a naval vessel to take over another naval vessel by use of force.[/QUOTE] Erm. You are considering naval piracy. However, the unauthorized copying and distribution of materials(generally for profit), has been known as Piracy since the 1600s, and those who did it were also called Pirates. [editline]20th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Tools;29319712]I've been a part of a pirate community since 2007, and the main reasons people have pirated is; - Too expensive, even $10 games. Either they're kids with no money, or $10 is a lot in their country. - Don't want extra programs / accounts installed besides the game (Such as steam, EA downloader, GameSpy, etc) - Pure tradition, they completely forget about paying is an option, and they continue to pirate it. Besides the second one, none of them can be dealed with. My definition of pirating is to share media with others, without the creators permission.[/QUOTE] 1. You don't have the money for something. Doesn't mean you can steal(Yes, piracy isn't stealing, but it's close enough that honestly it's just a semantics argument. Doesn't mean you can commit a crime.) that thing. A game isn't necessary, and therefore theft of it is never justifiable. And if 10$ is a lot where you are, then the area you are in obviously doesn't have money to waste on commodities like video games. So it's not a consideration for you anyway. 2. This is vaguely reasonable. However, most of these(Steam especially) are fairly unintrusive, and offer benefits(Steamworks) that outweigh the downsides. DRM is a big reason, and can't be dealt with. But if you don't want that, then don't buy the product, or play it at all. A boycott, not piracy. Just because you don't want some aspect of something doesn't mean you can steal it, you need to let them know the customers don't want that. 3. Letting a criminal act become a way of life is not exactly a good thing. This will only happen if the other two happen.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29318453]Crime is still illegal even if you won't get caught. There are tons of crimes that happen that don't get caught. Nobody gets prosecuted or arrested. Nothing happens, but a crime has still been committed. Doesn't make them any more right.[/quote] I never said it makes piracy any more right. I mean that you won't get caught, so there's really nothing holding you back. [quote] So you aren't going to pay the accepted market price for a game. If you want the price to go down, if you don't want them to think charging that much is okay, don't pirate it, don't do any of that. That makes them add DRM, and raise the price because they had to spend time and space on DRM. Just don't buy the game. It makes the same point, they put less DRM on it, and the price goes down. High prices on a commodity are no reason to steal it. Just because you think it's reasonable to take something you haven't paid for because of the price, it doesn't become more legal or reasonable. [/quote] Piracy is not any more reasonable or legal because people find the prices too high. No pirate cares about the legality (you don't get caught) or whether it's reasonable or not (why would someone care about that). DRM does not affect pirates either. If they higher their prices because of dumb shit like drm, then that's the company's loss and gives people more reason to pirate it.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;29315544]Alright. You can pay 1000$ for an HD TV. Or you can steal it, and pay nothing. You can pay 1$ for a coke, or you can steal it, and pay nothing. I mean, prices for a lot of products have gone up without there being more content. It's called inflation. Prices for shit go up over time due to changes in the value of money.[/QUOTE] Piracy isn't stealing. Stealing = original copy is gone.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;29332748]Piracy isn't stealing. Stealing = original copy is gone.[/QUOTE] ironically enough, if you were to go and steal a CD or game from a store, the consequences would be very minor, a few million dollars less in fines than pirating that same CD or game.
It's so fucking easy to download tons of stuff without paying for it. Thats why so many people do it! My brother got music worth 5100$(in Itunes), and he hasn't payed anything. - I think that's wrong!
[QUOTE=Samiam22;29332748]Piracy isn't stealing. Stealing = original copy is gone.[/QUOTE] Alright. Everybody understands that piracy isn't stealing. We all get that. There is literally nobody who thinks piracy is considered theft legally. However, it is used as an example and a word because it's easy to understand and short. It's copyright infringement. It's Piracy(It's not really even piracy, as piracy involves making money off of it generally). It's analogous to stealing because you are obtaining a product illegally for free, and the product manufacturer is making no money from it. You can't "steal" an idea or a concept, or an abstraction. But you can infringe on their intellectual property rights and on their copyright. Which is essentially stealing and is analogous to it. [editline]21st April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;29302069]No piracy isn't just that. It is duplication of the original that is distributed. It doesn't have to mean "downloading". Piracy has in essence been around for longer than you think. Video Cassettes.... BOOTLEGGED records of all things.. These come under this section.[/QUOTE] Piracy has been around since the 1600s and 1700s, when printed publications were common and people copied them and sold them illegally.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;29319822] If I go to a magazine store and take pictures of all the pages in the magazine, is that "sharing" too?[/QUOTE] Piracy would be like going to a friend's house who already has the magazine and then taking the pictures.
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