[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17958260]As one of my friends once explained to me, humans have strong eletrical energies in their bodies. Since energy doesn't simply "vanish" when you die, it's logical that that energy could still "float" (for lack of a better word) around, and we would visualize them as ghosts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SnakeFace;17958355]yeah that's stupid, you believe in stuff that could feasibly happen and has been widely witnessed by many reliable people, and not some floating creator of all things who is the ultimate power with the somewhat sketchy bible as the only proof! :downs:[/QUOTE]
Holy fucking shit this must be some sick joke.
[QUOTE=noctune9;17958290]You were hoping that things got better, and they did. Your dreams are a reflection of that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Dreams are just dreams, not ghost evidence.
[QUOTE=SnakeFace;17958355]yeah that's stupid, you believe in stuff that could feasibly happen and has been widely witnessed by many reliable people, and not some floating creator of all things who is the ultimate power with the somewhat sketchy bible as the only proof! :downs:[/QUOTE]
How the crap is ghosts more feasible than god?
That just doesn't make any sense.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17958260]As one of my friends once explained to me, humans have strong eletrical energies in their bodies. Since energy doesn't simply "vanish" when you die, it's logical that that energy could still "float" (for lack of a better word) around, and we would visualize them as ghosts.[/QUOTE]
Then explain to me why men in lederhosen isn't wandering out of my electrical socket.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17958345]
And anecdotal evidence is not evidence.[/QUOTE]
I thought I'd just pop in to confirm that, too.
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[QUOTE=noctune9;17958434]How the crap is ghosts more feasible than god?
That just doesn't make any sense.[/QUOTE]
Rated you dumb.
Agnostic
Holy fuck you guys are retarded.
[QUOTE=BCell;17957908]If you're a pure free thinker, you don't believe in anything related to god, spirits, satan, fairytale, ghosts and magic.
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In other words, you don't believe in the supernatural forces[/QUOTE]
No, if you're a free thinker, it means you think freely, not just taking what people tell you as fact without evidence.
[QUOTE=johanz;17957907]Atheism is something that has no definition. Every one is different.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how every atheist being different effects the definition of the belief system. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god.
[QUOTE=bodenlan2;17957900]Yea the term is Atheist.[/QUOTE]
Atheist just means that you don't believe in god. The prefix 'a' often means the opposite of or something like that, and a theist is someone who believes in god. Ghosts and stuff have little to do with that, in my opinion, apart from the fact they are both bullshit.
[QUOTE=Death0nWings;17958439]Rated you dumb.[/QUOTE]
Would you like to explain why, or just keep avoiding the question?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17958260]As one of my friends once explained to me, humans have strong eletrical energies in their bodies. Since energy doesn't simply "vanish" when you die, it's logical that that energy could still "float" (for lack of a better word) around, and we would visualize them as ghosts.[/QUOTE]
:downs:
This one doesn't even deserve and answer
[QUOTE=noctune9;17958468]Would you like to explain why, or just keep avoiding the question?[/QUOTE]
The dude you quoted was very clearly joking and you took it seriously.
Also, how am I avoid it? You only posted only once after me, lol.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17958260]As one of my friends once explained to me, humans have strong eletrical energies in their bodies. Since energy doesn't simply "vanish" when you die, it's logical that that energy could still "float" (for lack of a better word) around, and we would visualize them as ghosts.[/QUOTE]
Electrical energy ≠ consciousness or soul.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17958499]Electrical energy ≠ consciousness or soul.[/QUOTE]
Don't lick batteries kids, you're eating ghosts! :colbert:
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17958401]It's clear that ghosts are actually all Austrian.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what happened exactly because I wasn't there but my dad wasn't the only one sitting there having his breakfast, however the leiderhosen attire was another thing that my dad and his grandfather had discussed.
I shouldn't have used ghosts in my OP.
Besides I was just explaining why [b]I[/b] believe in life after death or partly why.
[QUOTE=Giner;17957876]So i'm not religious or anything, I don't believe in God and have considered myself an Atheist for a while now, but now thinking about it, I do believe in the paranormal, whilst some would consider that to believe in something religious as without some form of religion, people wouldn't believe in life after death.
Now this is where I am confused, am I still an atheist for not believing there is a higher being or something else because I believe in ghosts? Is that contradicting for an Atheist, to believe that we could live in on some form or another, but believe that there is no higher being?
Is there a term for this?[/QUOTE]
Believing there is no god is an active thought process. That makes you atheist. Not necessarily believing in god is the lack of an active decision. That makes you agnostic. Believing in ghosts makes you stupid.
[QUOTE=J Paul;17957989]Believing in ghosts doesn't mean you're a theist, it means you're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
It's the same thing.
[QUOTE=Cheezy;17958666]It's the same thing.[/QUOTE]
...derp?
Atheism is simply non-theism, or no belief. I personally require evidence to accept anything, and that's how I believe we as a species should approach things. The scientific method is the only method of understanding, and is one of our greatest philosophical achievements.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;17958260]As one of my friends once explained to me, humans have strong eletrical energies in their bodies. Since energy doesn't simply "vanish" when you die, it's logical that that energy could still "float" (for lack of a better word) around, and we would visualize them as ghosts.[/QUOTE]
Magical electromagnetic fields that somehow maintain a humanoid shape and then continue to emit EMR from some secret power source instead of becoming absorbed into the surrounding. Yeah, totally not crazy unlike religion, fucking religious nut heads.
You're still an Atheist, but you still believe some fiction tales, but smart enough to evade the biggest fiction tale.
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[QUOTE=bodenlan2;17957929]I don't think "science" is 100% certain about that death is the end.[/QUOTE]
It is the end of your concious being. You are still physically there, your body is meant to rott in the ground, while other critters and vegitation harvest the left over nutrients.
Many people tend to think that atheism means you're completely without religion.
Polyteism = religion with multiple gods
Monoteism = religion with one God, (Christianity, Islam, Judaism)
Atheism = religion without any kind of god
If someone is an atheist it means he can still believe in something supernatural. Not exactly in an almighty and powerful person in the skies, but being an atheist doesn't mean he can't have any religious beliefs.
We have the agnostics whom are people without any clear religious beliefs. I'm an agnostic myself (at this moment) even though I am officially Christian, because there is no certainty if some sort of "God" exists. And I believe that if one or two of them would exist, it wouldn't cause much of a change for my life traditions, because...I don't really give a shit :P
[QUOTE=The FBI;17958649]Not necessarily believing in god is the lack of an active decision. That makes you agnostic.[/QUOTE]
No, this makes you an atheist; having an active belief there is no god technically makes you an anti-theist, or strong-atheist, atheism in itself is simply anything less than saying: I believe at least one god exists. If you cannot say this then you are an atheist, if you say no gods exists then you're still an atheist, but with more stuff tagged on. Notice these all pertain to belief, (a)gnosticism pertains to knowledge, though there are a trillion sources on the net where you can find more detailed descriptions of all of these, such as here: [url]http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Atheist_vs._agnostic[/url]
[quote]My Great Grandmother died a few years back and my mum and dad had split up, I had a dream a few weeks after she died and it was a dream where it was me, my mum, my dad, my sister and my great grandmother sitting in my grandfathers living room. There was a feeling about it, that everything was going to be okay and in the dream my mum and dad were back together, then unbeknown to me during this time my mum and dad had been working things out and were on the verge of getting back together and a few weeks after the dream they got back together. I believe that was my great grandmother coming to tell me that everything would be fine again.[/quote]
I have no idea what their relationship situation was like, but assuming they split up and you didn't hate them then I don't see what child wouldn't want their parents to get back together. Just because you dreamt this, that doesn't necessarily even mean it's a coincidence, we Humans have evolved to see patterns in almost everything and I guess memory is no different. Haven't you ever had a situation where you were thinking about someone and bam they call up, even if they don't typically call very often or you otherwise weren't expecting them to call? Some people will say this was some physic connection, but in reality you've likely been thinking about them quite a bit more than that one time and you just didn't remember it as it wasn't that significant, and when they call you suddenly recall this. In your dreams it's no different, I often don't remember much of my dreams then see something during the day that reminds me of parts of it, in your case you may well have dreamt about such a scenario many times and only recalled your latest dream about it, it doesn't mean anything.
[quote]Also my dad had a very weird experience, he and his grandfather had talked about life after death when he was young and that if it really existed he would try and contact him when he died, well he passed away over 10 years ago now, and about a year ago my dad was sitting in a Services cafe (rest stop in the UK) because he's a foreman for building BP garages around the country. He was sitting in the morning before work and a man dressed in what can only be described as a Leiderhosen outfit came over to his table and said "I believe this is for you" and handed him a postcard with lots of scribbling and random writings all over it, the weirdly dressed man just gave it him then walked out of the cafe. On the postcard was the handwriting of his Grandfather and dates and writings only them two would know, it listed birthdays including my dads and sayings only his grandfather had said. The weirdest thing was that my dad got this overwhelming feeling to ring his aunty to tell her. "Your dad is going to be looking over you, you're going to be alright", unbeknown to him his aunty was having an operation that day that nobody knew about.[/quote]
No idea, I'd need more info before attempting this, but the last bit is easy. It may not have been intentional, but if you look at videos of people cold reading people and giving them messages from the dead, telling someone they're 'going to be alright' from a loved one is almost the de facto thing you say. Thus equating this to them having an operation is a really big stretch, in fact, I'd advise you watch videos of people cold reading. The uhh... victims? have a huge tenancy to stretch the things people say to become relevant to what they want to hear, and most importantly, they almost always forget the misses. I'm not saying anyone was cold reading anyone in this situation, but the mechanics behind this seem awfully similar.
Sure is :frog: in the OP
Threads about atheism on facepunch are so fucking stupid it pains me to read them.
This isn't aimed at the OP though; what he was saying is perfectly valid opinion. But the idiocy, ignorance and closed-mindedness of you lot takes the piss.
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"HURRR THEISTS ARE ALL IDIOTS"
Fucking hate bullshit like this. Genuinely makes me angry.
Do you believe in a God? You're a theist. Do you not believe in a God? You're an athiest.
People think Atheism extends to cosmogony, evolution, spirituality et al but it doesn't.
[QUOTE=Athena;17959445]Do you believe in a God? You're a theist. Do you not believe in a God? You're an athiest.
People think Atheism extends to cosmogony, evolution, spirituality et al but it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
I was just reading another thread on here and it made me think, I just wanted to know what it was.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;17959390]Threads about atheism on facepunch are so fucking stupid it pains me to read them.
This isn't aimed at the OP though; what he was saying is perfectly valid opinion. But the idiocy, ignorance and closed-mindedness of you lot takes the piss.
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"HURRR THEISTS ARE ALL IDIOTS"
Fucking hate bullshit like this. Genuinely makes me angry.[/QUOTE]
Do you believe in ghosts too?
[QUOTE=Stene;17959107]Many people tend to think that atheism means you're completely without religion.
Polyteism = religion with multiple gods
Monoteism = religion with one God, (Christianity, Islam, Judaism)
Atheism = religion without any kind of god
If someone is an atheist it means he can still believe in something supernatural. Not exactly in an almighty and powerful person in the skies, but being an atheist doesn't mean he can't have any religious beliefs.
We have the agnostics whom are people without any clear religious beliefs. I'm an agnostic myself (at this moment) even though I am officially Christian, because there is no certainty if some sort of "God" exists. And I believe that if one or two of them would exist, it wouldn't cause much of a change for my life traditions, because...I don't really give a shit :P[/QUOTE]
It is for this reason that I classify myself as antireligion rather than atheist or antitheist. It's not enough to just not believe in a god, or to oppose the belief in a god, you must also wholeheartedly oppose all forms of spirituality and supernatural beliefs, because they are nothing but a dangerous and destructive fantasy.
It's fine to fantasize, but religion or spirituality is one of the only types of fantasies people are allowed to act upon without consequence, and I do not think this is fair.
[QUOTE=Stene;17959107]Many people tend to think that atheism means you're completely without religion.
Polyteism = religion with multiple gods
Monoteism = religion with one God, (Christianity, Islam, Judaism)
Atheism = religion without any kind of god
If someone is an atheist it means he can still believe in something supernatural. Not exactly in an almighty and powerful person in the skies, but being an atheist doesn't mean he can't have any religious beliefs.
We have the agnostics whom are people without any clear religious beliefs. I'm an agnostic myself (at this moment) even though I am officially Christian, because there is no certainty if some sort of "God" exists. And I believe that if one or two of them would exist, it wouldn't cause much of a change for my life traditions, because...I don't really give a shit :P[/QUOTE]
No, atheism is someone who is not a theist, IE without religious beliefs.
[QUOTE=xXDictatorXx;17957903]I consider myself agnositc, in a sense that I do not know what happens after we die and we have no way to prove either side. I don't believe in any religion but I do think that untill everything in the world is proven by science then we cannot be 100% certain that death is the end.
I don't know if that's the same thing though. My dad is an atheist and not usually superstitious at all, but he believes his father's house was haunted by the stuff he and his family saw there. Personally I am sceptical because I had not seen it myself, but eh what do I know.[/QUOTE]
This is a cheaters way out. Agnostic, as you stated, means that you don't [b]know[/b] whether there is a higher being, and that it is impossible to prove either side. But religion is belief. Christians don't know that there is a higher being. They say they do, but they really mean to say that they believe strongly that there is.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;17959557]Do you believe in ghosts too?[/QUOTE]
No; I'm strictly speaking an atheist. I just reject all of the shitty connotations of ignorance and closed-mindedness being an 'atheist' entails for pretty much all of you here.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;17959774]No; I'm strictly speaking an atheist. I just reject all of the shitty connotations of ignorance and closed-mindedness being an 'atheist' entails for pretty much all of you here.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but it just comes with the territory. If you're prepared to consider yourself atheist or antitheist, you must also be prepared to accuse the opposition of being idiots because they support the belief in the illogical and the irrational, and wholeheartedly believe in fairytales and sometimes encourage others to do so as well.
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