Heh, no biggies? This was why I wouldn't take Speech and Debates class in high school or college.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17965647]Finally, someone not being a dick, but still disagreeing. I guess what I mean Is that I believe someones mind and spirit lives on after death, until we become another human,(With no memories of the previous life whatsoever) But again, that's just me and that single belief. I'm not gonna excuse that because I enjoy science and facts, if I get called out on it I'll just have to listen to what you had to say, like you listened to what I had said(Otherwise you would not have responded >.<)[/QUOTE]
What evidence have you that your mind is anything except the chemical reactions and physical functioning of your brain, which will stop functioning upon your death? What evidence do you have that a "spirit" or "soul" exists?
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17965730]No I already explained, they have nothing to prove wrong to me, as I also do. I'm not trying to use that mentality shit again. It's just that I have observed Atheists and Non-Atheists coerce. I try to avoid that shit, So I'm sorry for ever getting into that subject again, I was being as much a dick as they were.[/QUOTE]
Are you new to this forum or something?
[QUOTE=Deutschbag;17965859]What evidence have you that your mind is anything except the chemical reactions and physical functioning of your brain, which will stop functioning upon your death? What evidence do you have that a "spirit" or "soul" exists?[/QUOTE]
None, except for personalities and what not, but its not really a big deal anymore.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;17965865]Are you new to this forum or something?[/QUOTE]
Wat... No, I'm a '08, just don't make a lot of posts if that's what you mean.
Seriously though, I'm not new to THIS forum, more like this topic, which is difficult for me to discuss.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17965887]None, except for [B]personalities[/B] and what not, but its not really a big deal anymore.[/QUOTE]
Personalities are a result of how an individuals brain is wired, based on their genetics and what they went through in their lives.
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[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17965887]None, except for personalities and what not, but its not really a big deal anymore.
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Wat... No, I'm a '08, just don't make a lot of posts if that's what you mean.
Seriously though, I'm not new to THIS forum, more like this topic, which is [B]difficult for me to discuss.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's only difficult because you have a limited imagination. Arguing religion against cold hard facts is an art of exaggeration and downplaying facts, you just need to get more creative with it. It also helps if you completely ignore all contradicting evidence.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17965921]Personalities are a result of how an individuals brain is wired, based on their genetics and what they went through in their lives.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, you're right. Than I narrow down evidence to none. Don't really mind though, it's a belief, and that's a tricky matter to discuss.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17965951]Well yeah, you're right. Than I narrow down evidence to none. Don't really mind though, [B]it's a belief[/B], and [B]their a tricky matter to discuss[/B].[/QUOTE]
So that automatically makes it okay?
Really? How so?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17965974]So that automatically makes it okay?
Really? How so?[/QUOTE]
It's a persons own belief. And it's not like I'm marching down the Countries capitals street, demanding someone else to believe it, or raging someone else because they don't.
I guess that's what makes it right. Ugh, I forgot what else I was going to say, fuck.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966044]It's a persons own belief. And it's not like I'm marching down the Countries capitals street, demanding someone else to believe it, or raging someone else because they don't.
I guess that's what makes it right. Ugh, I forgot what else I was going to say, fuck.[/QUOTE]
Why do you believe it, though, if there's no evidence? I can't comprehend that.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966044][B]It's a persons own belief.[/B] And it's not like I'm marching down the Countries capitals street, demanding someone else to believe it, or raging someone else because they don't.
I guess that's what makes it right. Ugh, I forgot what else I was going to say, fuck.[/QUOTE]
Why are you entitled to an illogical belief? If I believed women were inferior to men, and that the darker your skin was the stupider you were, would you be okay with that?
haah that guys right you are dicks
[QUOTE=thisispain;17966099]haah that guys right you are dicks[/QUOTE]
:love:
[QUOTE=thisispain;17966099]haah that guys right you are dicks[/QUOTE]
Nonsense! We just like to grill people over unjustified beliefs. At least, I do.
believing in spirits = misogynism and racism
[QUOTE=Deutschbag;17966059]Why do you believe it, though, if there's no evidence? I can't comprehend that.[/QUOTE]
Again, belief/believing-a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing.
I don't devote my entire life to this belief, but I trust in its possibility, without evidence.
Like the way you would place trust in a friend or friendship, Or have trust in how good your food may taste to you, or in other little things.
You're starting to make me sound like a fucking preacher too.
[QUOTE=thisispain;17966122]believing in spirits = misogynism and racism[/QUOTE]
It doesn't really have the negatives as much, but there's no reason for believing in the supernatural. You could argue it's like the many FPers who have plans for the zombie apocalypse, but I'm really hoping most of them know that it's not going to happen. Unlike with the supernatural which people do believe happens. (That may have been a strawman)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAF2NuAI9EU[/media]
I believe this should sum it up.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966156]Again, belief/believing-a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing.
I don't devote my entire life to this belief, but I trust in its possibility, without evidence.
[B]Like the way you would place trust in a friend or friendship, Or have trust in how good your food may taste to you, or in other little things. [/B]
You're starting to make me sound like a fucking preacher too.[/QUOTE]
You would trust friends because they have been trust worthy. You would trust food because you've had it before, if you think it will taste good and what not, the food tastyness is clearly supported by evidence unlike mysticism.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17966194]You would trust friends because they have been trust worthy. You would trust food because you've had it before, if you think it will taste good and what not, the food tastyness is clearly supported by evidence unlike mysticism.[/QUOTE]
You're right about that. But If I shouldn't have a belief, than what should I believe?
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966156]Again, belief/believing-a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing.
I don't devote my entire life to this belief, but I trust in its possibility, without evidence.
Like the way you would place trust in a friend or friendship, Or have trust in how good your food may taste to you, or in other little things.
You're starting to make me sound like a fucking preacher too.[/QUOTE]
Trust in a friend, or trust that a certain food will taste good, is based on evidence, of a sort. They have been trustworthy in the past, or you know how a certain food taste based on eating it before. Entirely different from spirits or whatnot.
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[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966229]You're right about that. But If I shouldn't have a belief, than what should I believe?[/QUOTE]
Believe what the evidence shows, and don't believe what it doesn't show. It works for me, anyway.
[QUOTE=Seb McMeb;17966188][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAF2NuAI9EU[/media]
I believe this should sum it up.[/QUOTE]
The default position on the existence of a god is non belief, as there is no evidence for the existence of a god. You know, the whole burden of proof, evidence before belief logic stuff.
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[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966229]You're right about that. But If I shouldn't have a belief, than what should I believe?[/QUOTE]
Believe in what can be proven and tested, or what has been proven and tested, and what has evidence for existence.
[QUOTE=Deutschbag;17966231]
Believe what the evidence shows, and don't believe what it doesn't show. It works for me, anyway.[/QUOTE]
Alright then. Like I said though, I do enjoy seeing and comparing facts to evidence. I like science. I take chemistry, I didn't know it was so bad to have a belief without evidence.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966304]Alright then. Like I said though, I do enjoy seeing and comparing facts to evidence. I like science. I take chemistry, I didn't know it was so bad to have a belief without evidence.[/QUOTE]
It's irrational. To me, irrationality is bad. So I suppose you could say it's bad, yeah.
[QUOTE=Izan Specter;17966304]Alright then. Like I said though, I do enjoy seeing and comparing facts to evidence. I like science. I take chemistry, [B]I didn't know it was so bad to have a belief without evidence.[/B][/QUOTE]
Generally accepting things without proper evidence is jumping to conclusions, which can have some pretty bad outcomes... Salem Witch Trials come to mind, because we're learning about them in school at the moment.
[QUOTE=Giner;17957876]Now this is where I am confused, am I still an atheist for not believing there is a [b]higher being[/b] or something else because I believe in ghosts? Is that contradicting for an Atheist, to believe that we could live in on some form or another, but believe that there is no [b]higher being[/b]?[/QUOTE]
Well to be honest a higher being just means someone with a more developed consciousness. To believe that we as humans are the pinnacle of mental power is quite arrogant. I believe in a higher consciousness that is ultimately just organized energy resembling that in our nervous system and brain. Something to explain paranormal activity is once someone dies their consciousness' energetic control of things is no longer limited to his body and can now apply forces and energy upon things. The more developed and elaborate your consciousness is the more you can manipulate things. God for me is just a higher consciousness with this ability. "He" may not always do this in our context seeing as if he did exist limiting himself to our one race would be improbable.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;17966455]Well to be honest a higher being just means someone with a more developed consciousness. To believe that we as humans are the pinnacle of mental power is quite arrogant. I believe in a higher consciousness that is ultimately just organized energy resembling that in our nervous system and brain. [B]Something to explain paranormal activity is once someone dies their consciousness' energetic control of things is no longer limited to his body[/B] and can now apply forces and energy upon things. The more developed and elaborate your consciousness is the more you can manipulate things. God for me is just a higher consciousness with this ability. "He" may not always do this in our context seeing as if he did exist limiting himself to our one race would be improbable.[/QUOTE]
This is complete and total bullshit. Everything you have control over you have a physical connection to. It's not some bull shit o's energetic control. You have a nervous system and other parts of your brain for controlling your body. You do not become a ghost, you cannot move things with your mental power, which frankly seems quite limited if you believe in this sort of thing in the first place.
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[QUOTE=Zenreon117;17966455]Well to be honest a higher being just means someone with a more developed consciousness. To believe that we as humans are the pinnacle of mental power is quite arrogant. I believe in a higher consciousness that is ultimately just organized energy resembling that in our nervous system and brain. Something to explain paranormal activity is once someone dies their consciousness' energetic control of things is no longer limited to his body and can now apply forces and energy upon things. [B]The more developed and elaborate your consciousness is the more you can manipulate things[/B]. God for me is just a higher consciousness with this ability. "He" may not always do this in our context seeing as if he did exist limiting himself to our one race would be improbable.[/QUOTE]
By manipulate things you had better mean bodily functions. ESP, Telekinesis and such is total bull.
[QUOTE=Giner;17957876]I don't believe in God[/QUOTE]
Atheist.
[QUOTE=xXDictatorXx;17957903]I consider myself agnositc, in a sense that I do not know what happens after we die and we have no way to prove either side. [/QUOTE]
I consider you to be a trend following, misguided fallibilistic idiot. You don't know what religion or agnosticism is.
You can be an atheist and still believe in an afterlife. You can be an atheist and still belong to a religion.
Sitting on the fence and claiming you're an agnostic doesn't make you look smart. It makes you a dunce.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;17966428]Generally accepting things without proper evidence is jumping to conclusions, which can have some pretty bad outcomes... Salem Witch Trials come to mind, because we're learning about them in school at the moment.[/QUOTE]
I see, I understand.
[QUOTE=Doriol;17966560]Sitting on the fence and claiming you're an agnostic doesn't make you look smart. It makes you a dunce.[/QUOTE]
hur dur agnostics r dum
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