Hate to break it to some of you but:
Playing guitar tabs =/= ability to play guitar
You must know how to perform sheets/scores as well.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28260736]Hate to break it to some of you but:
Playing guitar tabs =/= ability to play guitar
You must know how to perform sheets/scores as well.[/QUOTE]
I disagree.
[editline]24th February 2011[/editline]
This post feels very Elitist.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28260736]Hate to break it to some of you but:
Playing guitar tabs =/= ability to play guitar
You must know how to perform sheets/scores as well.[/QUOTE]
Assuming one form of notation is better than another independent of context is the quickest way to prove you know less than you think.
I know how to read sheet music decently, and I agree that that's a little elitist. Tabs are often a lot easier to understand, and are better for faster paced solos.
sheet music and tabs are both just to mimic something someone else made,
so if we're taking the elitist high road you might aswell say you can't play guitar until you know how to improvise.
But, does it really matter if you used a tab or sheet music?
Well I mean if you want to play in a big band or something they won't hand you tabs. If you asked for tabs they'd probably laugh at you and kick you out. Most of the time though they give you chords, though. And yes you should know how to improvise. It's not that hard.
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[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28261780]Assuming one form of notation is better than another independent of context is the quickest way to prove you know less than you think.[/QUOTE]
Knowing for a fact that sheets are used more commonly in real bands is the quickest way to prove you know less than you think.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28261946]Knowing for a fact that sheets are used more commonly in real bands[/QUOTE]
[Citation needed]
This is often parroted by grade school music teachers who don't know better. Sorry you fell for it.
Also, by the by, volume = better is fallacious. German is not an inferior tongue to Mandarin because it lacks the quantity of speakers.
Hell, "real band" is pulling a no true scotsman. You're a goddamn fallacy pinata.
[QUOTE=Kab2tract;28261886]But, does it really matter if you used a tab or sheet music?[/QUOTE]
not really, tabs are easier to read, but it's easier to do timing with sheet music. and it can be used by other instruments as well.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28262140][Citation needed]
This is often parroted by grade school music teachers who don't know better. Sorry you fell for it.
[b]Also, by the by, volume = better is fallacious. German is not an inferior tongue to Mandarin because it lacks the quantity of speakers.[/b]
Hell, "real band" is pulling a no true scotsman. You're a goddamn fallacy pinata.[/QUOTE]
Both my band director and Wayne Bergeron (sorry, mixed it up) (at a clinic) stated those facts.
Also, my band director is not a 'grade school music teacher' :downs:
And by, 'real band' I meant 'professional level bands'.
Edit: In response to the bold, all I have to say is no shit. Of course volume isn't better, anyone whose got even a half-decent music director should have figured that out in middle school. Hell you don't even need a director to tell you this stuff.
if I can't make out a riff the other guitarist is playing then I ask him kindly to teach me it.
no reason for them to kick me out?
[QUOTE=deggie;28262269]if I can't make out a riff the other guitarist is playing then I ask him kindly to teach me it.
no reason for them to kick me out?[/QUOTE]
No reason in my eyes but then again I don't know the people you're dealing with.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28262219]Both my band director and Wynton Marsalis (at a clinic) stated those facts.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware Wynton Marsalis had conducted an international survey representative of all "professional" (must have some defined income level) bands on the planet and found that to be true. Must have cost a fortune. I'd very much like to see the results of this study!
[QUOTE=redBadger;28262219]Also, my band director is not a 'grade school music teacher' :downs:[/QUOTE]
Sure as hell talks like one. Or a has-been college boy. Oh, hey, that reminds me, no facts yet, but you pulled appeal to authority. It's fucking raining bad logic up in here.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28262219]Edit: In response to the bold, all I have to say is no shit. Of course volume isn't better, anyone whose got even a half-decent music director should have figured that out in middle school.[/QUOTE]
And yet your argument is "because more people use X, X is better than Y."
You stating 'volume = better is fallacious' made me believe you were insulting my band director as a 'poor director'. Sorry if I read it wrong, but that's what it seemed like to me.
He's not your average 'let's make noise' director like a lot of directors nowadays, and actually knows what he is talking about. Sorry if I insulted your intelligence. Either way, I'd like to see your facts.
[QUOTE=Franke_R!?;28262319]No reason in my eyes but then again I don't know the people you're dealing with.[/QUOTE]
Response to above.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28262432]Either way, I'd like to see your facts.[/QUOTE]
Don't need any. You made an assertion- that classical notation is a requirement of playing a professional level- which means burden of proof falls on you. I don't require proof to say "you're full of shit", you require proof to be taken seriously.
So far you've presented an opinion by a clearly mediocre educator and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynton_Marsalis#Criticisms]a man said to have no understanding of modern music and known for being an elitist and judgmental hack.[/url]
The guy Miles Davis told to fuck off and is known for having "no clue what's going on now" in his own scene. That's your proof that one type of notation somehow beats another.
Oh, so now you're quoting a dude with no public biography I've never heard of. Cool.
Here I've got a quote of my own:
[quote=John Lennon]redbadger is blowing smoke up my ass[/quote]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28262580]Don't need any. You made an assertion- that classical notation is a requirement of playing a professional level- which means burden of proof falls on you. I don't require proof to say "you're full of shit", you require proof to be taken seriously.
So far you've presented an opinion by a clearly mediocre educator and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynton_Marsalis#Criticisms]a man said to have no understanding of modern music and known for being an elitist and judgmental hack.[/url]
The guy Miles Davis told to fuck off and is known for having "no clue what's going on now" in his own scene. That's your proof that one type of notation somehow beats another.[/QUOTE]
Just to support your claim here, Mikael Akerfeldt of Opeth has stated he doesn't really have muhc music theory knowledge nor does he ever really know exactly what he's doing/playing when he writes songs, he just goes with what sounds cool.
You gotta take all genres into account. Only thing I could guess using notes in modern music is classical. Which isn't [I]modern[/I].
You didn't read that I had edited 'Wynton Marsalis" to "Wayne Bergeron".
Either way, the arguing is pointless and is based on our own opinions; nothing more, nothing less. Sorry I had conducted (no pun intended) this argument in the first place.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28262667]You didn't read that I had edited 'Wynton Marsalis" to "Wayne Bergeron".
Either way, the arguing is pointless and is based on our own opinions; nothing more, nothing less. Sorry I had conducted (no pun intended) this argument in the first place.[/QUOTE]
you're excused
I never presented a hard stance on any issue nor any assertions, ergo this isn't based on any opinion, just normal skepticism of strange claims.
Thanks for playing, see you next time.
[QUOTE=deggie;28262269]if I can't make out a riff the other guitarist is playing then I ask him kindly to teach me it.
no reason for them to kick me out?[/QUOTE]
I didn't kick my bassist out for not being able to play my riffs. I just let him simplify them.
What kind of fucking idiot kicks people out of a band for not being able to pick up a riff by ear very well. Not everyone has a univeristy degree in musical theory.
Thank god I'm a one man band! :buddy:
[editline]24th February 2011[/editline]
:saddowns:
My Dad gave me his 40 year old Alvarez acoustic guitar from when he was in a band.
Its awesome.
[QUOTE=Nonikai;28262834]I didn't kick my bassist out for not being able to play my riffs. I just let him simplify them.
What kind of fucking idiot kicks people out of a band for not being able to pick up a riff by ear very well. Not everyone has a univeristy degree in musical theory.[/QUOTE]
that being my point
[editline]24th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28263025]My Dad gave me his 40 year old Alvarez acoustic guitar from when he was in a band.
Its awesome.[/QUOTE]
sell iiiiiiiiit, get money, buy a blackmachine
I need some cool songs to play that aren't that hard.
When I mean aren't that hard - I mean pretty simple. Like power chords etc.
Well, I guess I could stretch much harder. I'm just extremely lazy to learn anything other than these "books" and RHCP songs.
[QUOTE=Kab2tract;28252466]How much do you guys think a used ESP LTD EX-401DX would go for? It has some light chips on the one tail, and some scratches that I can polish somewhat.
[img_thumb]http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/61643_l.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
I'll pay £100 for it.
[QUOTE=deggie;28263119]that being my point
[editline]24th February 2011[/editline]
sell iiiiiiiiit, get money, buy a blackmachine[/QUOTE]
his dad gave him a guitar that had great emotional meaning to him seeing how he used it for so long.
you don't sell a gem like that.
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