[QUOTE=LasGunz;28486247]Because you're not supposed to distort them in most cases. They're made to sound excellent clean and really great overdriven.. why you would want to saturate the fuck out of a single coil with distortion and ugly amp tones is beyond me. That's why humbuckers are made.. but putting them on a Strat just feels.. wrong.
Single coils are great for anything that isn't "heavy".. because they're not built to do that and they wre built originally in the 50s when that music didn't exist.
edit: I kind of misread, I thought you were arguing that Strats are shit for distiortion so you dislike that.. but really you're arguing against using them for distortion which means I agree. Though what I said above still stands.[/QUOTE]
My schecter sounds AWESOME when coil split and distorted
Just letting you know
[QUOTE=LasGunz;28489436]I'll give you a few... Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Mark Knopfler, Hank Marvin, John Mayer and countless other Strat users that define the stratocaster tone using all single coil.
They're not made for heavy distortion.. that's not what they were designed for. In the 50s they didn't know what metal was, the guitar was made to be clean.. by the 60s and 70s plenty experimented with a bit of overdrive to make the guitar sound meaner.. but that's the extent of it, you dont distort the tone you overdrive it.
Big difference between a distortion and an overdrive.[/QUOTE]
I can respect your fervour but honestly using terms like "it's not made for that" or "was made to be clean" is a waste of time. You can play anything on any guitar, provided you have the right amp. I've played jazz on a 7 string Ibanez with EMGs through a Roland, I've played blues on an Agile 8 string through a Hot Rod, I've played death metal on a Strat and progressive metal on a Washburn hollowbody through an Engl Powerball.
Amps are where you get your ballpark tone. Pickups and construction are the nitty gritty parts.
[QUOTE=SolidSnake52;28486524]Not even Sir David Gilmour uses plain 'ol singlecoils, and he has my favorite classic tone of all time.
So no, I don't see any reason to want an all single-coil guitar.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about fool.
Gilmour uses single coils.
[QUOTE=mynames2long;28493187]My schecter sounds AWESOME when coil split and distorted
Just letting you know[/QUOTE]
Coil split isn't exactly the same as single coil
[QUOTE=SolidSnake52;28492739]Barre :eng101: and I don't quite know how to describe it other than I try to keep my hand as flat as possible, so as close to a perfect perpendicular (90 degrees) as I can comfortably[/QUOTE]
Oh, I'm not very familiar with the english terminology. I've only heard the pronunciation. What about open chords?
[QUOTE=SolidSnake52;28492711]Never heard Knopfler[/QUOTE]
[i]What.[/i] Everybody has heard this:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SEULZIHru0[/url][/media]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28494870][i]What.[/i] Everybody has heard this:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SEULZIHru0[/url][/media][/QUOTE]
It is not available in the fucking UK.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0[/media]
I was thinking of that one.
[QUOTE=nardix;28495111][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0[/media]
I was thinking of that one.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but that's not clean, it's crunchy, and as his crunchiness goes up he has a tendency to use an LP or strat with a bucker, proving the crunchitude:coil quantity correlation.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;28495093]It is not available in the fucking UK.[/QUOTE]
hahahahaha
In his case.
Honestly, I'm fucking sick of blanket terms. You can use a singlecoil for distortion if you want, who the fuck cares what Leo Fender intended when he designed the Strat. You don't see everyone who uses a Les Paul playing jazz
Using a Les Paul to play jazz?
That would sound horrible.
[QUOTE=nardix;28495648]Using a Les Paul to play jazz?
That would sound horrible.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? It's originally a jazz guitar
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granted I bet the original was built differently and with different hardware but still
[QUOTE=nardix;28495648]Using a Les Paul to play jazz?
That would sound horrible.[/QUOTE]
Something tells me you've never heard any Les Paul
just wanna say im sorry if i sounded a bit convoluted earlier, i'm just a strong strat/single coil enthusiast.. I own humbucker guitars that I adore.. for that particular sound but i couldn't ever replace my singles with them, ever and it's not out of narrow mindedness or anything, i genuinely don't like the sound of them over singles.
it's 6 and two 3s, to each his own etc so if I sounded like I was stating facts i didn't mean to. though I do stand by saying strats were built for clean or only just overdriven sounds, they can work distorted but they don't sound as refined as humbuckers.
now fuzz on single coils is a different matter because fuzz/sustainer boxes just blow the lid off of any signal :p
edit: im gonna be recording some stuff tonight.. just random noodling since i have a bit of private time with my recording set up and guitars.. no one to annoy me or walk in and out of my room every now and then.. i'll post some pics of my recording set up, it's pretty goofy and very "homemade" but it sounds good, as good as home recording can be without spending hundreds of monies.
anyone interested in seeing allll my gear? i kind of want a picture of it all anyway.
[QUOTE=LasGunz;28496480]just wanna say im sorry if i sounded a bit convoluted earlier, i'm just a strong strat/single coil enthusiast.. I own humbucker guitars that I adore.. for that particular sound but i couldn't ever replace my singles with them, ever and it's not out of narrow mindedness or anything, i genuinely don't like the sound of them over singles.
it's 6 and two 3s, to each his own etc so if I sounded like I was stating facts i didn't mean to. though I do stand by saying strats were built for clean or only just overdriven sounds, they can work distorted but they don't sound as refined as humbuckers.
now fuzz on single coils is a different matter because fuzz/sustainer boxes just blow the lid off of any signal :p
edit: im gonna be recording some stuff tonight.. just random noodling since i have a bit of private time with my recording set up and guitars.. no one to annoy me or walk in and out of my room every now and then.. i'll post some pics of my recording set up, it's pretty goofy and very "homemade" but it sounds good, as good as home recording can be without spending hundreds of monies.
anyone interested in seeing allll my gear? i kind of want a picture of it all anyway.[/QUOTE]
Different guitars for different sounds, Sure single coils have good cleans but they wouldn't work in metal when you'd wan't distortion and other effects.
I went ahead and took pictures anyway.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7qgK8.jpg[/IMG]
From left to right;
Vox VT20+ 30 Watt Amp, Vintage Musicman Copy, Vintage Wolfgang Copy, G&L Tribute Legacy Strat, Yamaha F310 TBS, 2002 Mexican Standard Stratocaster and on the floor thats my lacking pedal board.
Up close pics
Vox VT20+, 30 Watts
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rABhV.jpg[/IMG]
Amazing little amp for it's price, I found "my tone" through using this amp and it's features and I think my next upgrade will be one higher up in the VT+ Series if not some other Vox amp, well impressed.
Yamaha F310 TBS Acoustic
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jjRAv.jpg[/IMG]
Decent little guitar, sounds surprisingly good for it's price. I got it for free though.
Vintage Musicman Copy
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sc9Ru.jpg[/IMG]
Not much of a bassist but it's there incase I need it for recording. It's decent.
Vintage Wolfgang Copy
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vFf4J.jpg[/IMG]
Amazing little guitar.. I'm just disappointed it's not a hardtail. I hate floyd-rose bridges.
2002 Mexican Standard Stratocaster
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YgBE0.jpg[/IMG]
Fucking unbelievable. 8 yeards old and it's prestine. Soon replacing all the silver on it to gold hardware.
Possibly changing the pickups to Texas Specials, they're a bit fatter sounding.
Pedals
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Wpz1C.jpg[/IMG]
I had 3 other pedals on here but I sold them a while ago.
Big Muff - used for ripping the top off of any signal, just flat out insane.
Double Muff - actually not really anything like the big muff, it's like two very creamy overdrives wired in series, ridiculous tone. I crank it and then roll back the volume on my strats for the nicest gain tone ever.
My pride and joy.. the G&L Stratocaster.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jl8pU.jpg[/IMG]
I can't say enough about this guitar. It's unbelievably refined.. just everything about it is perfect, I can't fault this guitar in any way at all.
The only change I'd ever want to make is putting gold hardware on it [I]so long as[/I] it was genuine G&L hardware of exact spec to the hardware I have.
So there, that's my stuff.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;28496642]Different guitars for different sounds, Sure single coils have good cleans but they wouldn't work in metal when you'd wan't distortion and other effects.[/QUOTE]
Yes they would.
There is not a fucking thing wrong with using any type of pickups for any kind of music. It might not necessarily sound like Metallica or whatever, but to say it flat out doesn't work is asinine
Nice stuff
I personally really don't like gold hardware though
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28497482]Yes they would.
There is not a fucking thing wrong with using any type of pickups for any kind of music. It might not necessarily sound like Metallica or whatever, but to say it flat out doesn't work is asinine[/QUOTE]
I meant for the typical sound. I would edit that post to add a may into it but I can't.
On the topic of single coils used in metal, I think I'll just leave this here
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnhdJVh9iIY[/media]
Sacrilege.
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28496114]Something tells me you've never heard any Les Paul[/QUOTE]
He's being sarcastic.
And we're talking in general about the crunch/coil thing, my god. Nobody is saying you absolutely cannot use a vintage stratocaster to play Dragonforce or some shit, just that the majority of time nobody does 'cuz it sounds funky in a bad way to mortal ears. You can play hillbilly music on a 9-string through a triple rec by all means, it's just an exception to the rule.
We don't have to be politically correct talking about pups, fuck. They are not being discriminated against when we say 70% of singlecoils aren't cut out to be firemen.
And that's pish, cranking the amp on any pickup is going to sound like ass (or like that).. that doesn't make it good for it. You lose all tonal quality when you crank it that much.
Not saying you flat out can't use a single coil for metal but beyond a certain point the amp takes over the pickup and it no longer matters.. except a single won't be as powerful without a plethora of pedals infront of them.
Speaking of some single coil-ey goodness, I just recorded this and slapped a bit of 200hz reverb on it.
[media]http://soundcloud.com/gregdotporter/reaper-wing[/media]
Hear how defined and "single coiley" it is? That Wintersun guy is just overdistorting it and it just becomes nothing, no definition at all. Just noise.
Spreading misguided opinions and statements like fact does nothing but breed more ignorance and lack of understanding. You can do whatever the fuck you want, at the end of the day it's everyone's individual choice, and should be treated as such.
There is no rule for there to be an exception to, what pisses me off more than anything is that something as individual as feel and tone is effectively pigeon holed to a small number of brands and styles per genre. I wish I could count the number of metal gigs I've gone to with only ESPs and Schecters on stage. Not that I have anything against them, I just don't see why there are such commonplace rules when there are many ways to do many things
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[QUOTE=LasGunz;28498097]And that's pish, cranking the amp on any pickup is going to sound like ass (or like that).. that doesn't make it good for it. You lose all tonal quality when you crank it that much.
Not saying you flat out can't use a single coil for metal but beyond a certain point the amp takes over the pickup and it no longer matters.. except a single won't be as powerful without a plethora of pedals infront of them.
Speaking of some single coil-ey goodness, I just recorded this and slapped a bit of 200hz reverb on it.
[media]http://soundcloud.com/gregdotporter/reaper-wing[/media]
Hear how defined and "single coiley" it is? That Wintersun guy is just overdistorting it and it just becomes nothing, no definition at all. Just noise.[/QUOTE]
No offense but no. Singlecoils naturally sound more clear and with more natural pick definition than humbuckers, it's just how they are wound. Obviously you're going to hear more from the pickups playing clean, no one is debating that at all, but to say that every guitar sounds the same under distortion is unfair, particularly since the Wintersun track has been mastered to sound metal, while yours is a relatively straight recording
wow that's probably the first time i've seen a telecaster being used in metal
[QUOTE=LasGunz;28498097]Speaking of some single coil-ey goodness, I just recorded this and slapped a bit of 200hz reverb on it.
[media]http://soundcloud.com/gregdotporter/reaper-wing[/media][/QUOTE]
Wait are you the guy doing the bluesy shit for Galactoctopocorn?
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;28498112]Spreading misguided opinions and statements like fact does nothing but breed more ignorance and lack of understanding.[/QUOTE]
Can you honestly say you, personally, would rather use a generic strat than something made by ESP or Schecter for a metal gig?
You're defending people's rights to do something which most people don't, and nobody is contesting the right, but don't you think there's a reason most people don't do it?
I prefer playing strats to ESPs for their necks and I don't like actives which Schecter bundle into every guitar they make near enough, so... yeah
I've been practicing slapping on my guitar.
It's going well.
[editline]8th March 2011[/editline]
holy shit the thread is coming to an end, dibs on next thread!!
dibs on making next thread
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;28498326]Wait are you the guy doing the bluesy shit for Galactoctopocorn[/QUOTE]
I'm supposed to be but I never really got much info from TH89 about it.
fucking ninja
:ninja:
[editline]9th March 2011[/editline]
stop breaking my automerg!
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