the only people that are complaining that "there is no correct way to hold a pick" just learned to hold it wrong and are, quite desperately, trying make up for their own insecurities
fucking of course it's more convenient for you guys to hold the pick the way you do, that's how you learned to do it
[QUOTE=Nonikai;26625569]The most convenient way is the way you're comfortable with.
This is a matter of preference. Some people may like to hold their pick one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
But there are as a matter of fact major pros on holding it the way most people do
Mush easier to do pinch harmonics and controlled articulation for example
Everyone has a different technique and not everyone prefers the same way, get over it.
Gosh you guys are like christians on the crusade with the whole ''convert or die'' kinda way.
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How's the tone of the guitar?
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How's the tone of the guitar?[/QUOTE]
Eh, it's not my favourite, sounds almost like a distorted bass.
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For painting/finishing guitars, what would I do? How many coats of lacquer? How many coats of paint? I want it to be opaque white with some black outlines. Also, I should paint before the neck and hardware is in place right?
Oh, and what kind of paint, spray cans, or do I use one of those special paints on stewmac?
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How's the tone of the guitar?[/QUOTE]
The supreme bassy fuzz of your tone is awesome... just not for Opeth, two things of my favorite things that should never go together, even if High On Fire HAS opened for Opeth before....
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How's the tone of the guitar?[/QUOTE]
Fuzzy, makes me feel warm.
It's awesome :buddy:
[QUOTE=Franke_R!?;26628177]Everyone has a different technique and not everyone prefers the same way, get over it.[/QUOTE]
No. That's exactly my point. As soon as you start looking beyond bedroom guitarists, you'll see that everyone has the [B]same[/B] pick technique more or less!
Find me [B]one[/B] professional guitarist who holds it differentely.
Tosin Abasi holds it like that. So does Marty Friedman.
[img]http://lorenscottphotography.com/proofs/fender/lo-img_0040.jpg[/img]
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Abasi has a long thumb, making it look different. Friedman just angles his wrist in an unorthodox way.
They both still hold the actual pick the basic way. That is, between your thumb and the side of your index.
And playing with your thumb is not comparable.
Seriously, do you think it's a coincidence that all guitarists hold it the same?
Thanks for the feedback :buddy:, the reason I played that riff was because I just love that riff.
I've somewhat lost the train of thought for this argument? Are there actually two sides to this? Or is it just Rad vs the freestylers? Because I was under that impression but it seems everyone else is arguing one style vs another style. So level with me, please, because if it's saying keep the same rigid technique for everything then I'm going to have to continue disagreeing with you, but I might have the wrong end of the stick here
I'm not even sure anymore. Some think I'm an "idiot" for claiming that there's a best way of holding a pick. There's probably some confusion about my use of the word "correct" too. I only used that term when referring to the best way of holding the pick.
The conclusion of my argument is - that if you want to become a serious guitarist and actually become skilled - then you should hold your pick as described.
If you're only playing for fun and don't care about improvement, then be my guest holding the pick however your want.
What started this argument, exactly? What specifically was wrong with their way of holding a pick?
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;26632810]What started this argument, exactly? What specifically was wrong with their way of holding a pick?[/QUOTE]
There was this guy some pages ago who wanted info about getting started playing guitar. I gave him some hints and tips, one of which was a point about "make sure you hold the pick correctly". And then some were like "Disregard that, just hold it the way you feel most comfortable with." and I'm like "No, do it like I've said". Etc. I'm trying to keep a sensible debate going, but it's hard when the main arguments of the opposition are "you're a fucking idiot" and "you're beyond stupid".
I'm just trying to get that guy a headstart on something me myself did wrong for a long time.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;26633006]There was this guy some pages ago who wanted info about getting started playing guitar. I gave him some hints and tips, one of which was a point about "make sure you hold the pick correctly". And then some were like "Disregard that, just hold it the way you feel most comfortable with." and I'm like "No, do it like I've said". Etc.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't Jame Hetfield use his middle-finger on the pick often while playing?
I don't see why you would want to play any other way anyway really :v: It just seems more natural and normal to use your thumb and index finger.
[QUOTE=Kab2tract;26633046]Doesn't Jame Hetfield use his middle-finger on the pick often while playing?[/QUOTE]
Looks normal to me..
[img]http://celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/images/Metall_1.jpg[/img]
Hmm, I've heard that Eddie van Halen has some history of using the middle finger and thumb. Because he likes to tap with his index finger. But his pick technique looks normal on all the pictures I find. So I don't know. Might only be on specific "tap-songs" like Eruption.
Oh okay. I thought the argument had descended into "HOLD IT EXACTLY LIKE THAT AND NO OTHER WAY" vs "naw man you like totally change with the times" in which case I'd agree with the latter, but if it's between holding it with thumb and index vs whatever bastard monkey grip someone can create then I agree with you. My picking attack and style varies depending on what I'm playing but most of it is fundamentally thumb and index. I do occasionally double up with my middle finger when I'm using a bigger pick. And I know that Rob Flynn picks with his middle finger for single note stuff, and Ritchie Blackmore uses thumb and middle. And like Kab2tract said, Hetfield uses two fingers
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;26633100]I don't see why you would want to play any other way anyway really :v: It just seems more natural and normal to use your thumb and index finger.[/QUOTE]
If you've learned to hold it a way which is different, then it's really heartbreaking when you realize that you must relearn it after x years of playing. I went through the exact same thing myself. But it's not that hard converting! After one week, you will probably feel just as comfortable as before. And after another week, you'll probably see vast improvements in your technique!
@Dopey Trout:
Totally. No big deal if there's a slight variation.
But you should've seen the way I used to play. It was godawful. :3:
just got my first guitar, an epiphone les paul special 2. Not the greatest, but i love it.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;26633006]I'm trying to keep a sensible debate going, but it's hard when the main arguments of the opposition are "you're a fucking idiot" and "you're beyond stupid".[/QUOTE]
Your primary argument has been, up until just now, "I'm right and I don't need proof, deal with it." Less than warm and fuzzies are to be expected.
I dig what you're trying to do- you don't want a kid learning how to golf with a baseball grip either- but there's nothing to prove you can't do "monkey bastard" picking and get good with it. Though now I'm completely confused what you thought people were encouraging saying "freestyling" or whatever was okay. I don't think anybody was advocating holding it sideways between their pinky and index finger or some shit, just that variations weren't necessarily wrong.
I hold a pick how I want to
you're missing the point completely Rad
It doesn't matter what the professionals do or whatever. Not all guitarists want to make a living off of their guitar. My guitar teacher thinks I hold my pick weird (And I hold it the exact same way as you describe) right. Although I know a lot of amazing guitarists who hold their picks miles different than me.
The most convenient way to pick a guitar is to pick it the way [b]you[/b] want to. There is no need to relearn technique just because someone said it's more convenient.
Personally I prefer an argument about picking technique as opposed to an argument about pinky anchoring.
[QUOTE=Pepin;26639139]Personally I prefer an argument about picking technique as opposed to an argument about pinky anchoring.[/QUOTE]
I anchor. I need to learn how not to so I can switch. It's a lot easier to chickenpick when anchoring, but you can't attack the notes as hard with the anchor.
Dave Mustaine anchors, he said so in the interview with Dave Navarro, I think.
[QUOTE=JohanGS;26625329]The screws on the bridge adjusts the height, not the length. :/[/QUOTE]
ADJUSTING THE INTONATION
Intonation adjustment is usually necessary when new strings are fitted
(it can also be affected by the angle of the tremolo unit).
Adjusting the intonation is performed by moving the individual string saddles
forward or backward.
To check the intonation : Use an electronic tuner and tune the guitar to a standard pitch.
Note : All lbanez guitars use A--440 for a standard pitch. Play the harmonic at the 12th
fret, compare it to the fretted note at the 12th fret, these notes should read the same on the tuner.
Before adjusting the intonation, first determine the direction that the saddle
needs to be moved.
Note : If the 12th fret is sharper than the open note, the saddle needs to be moved back.
If the 12th fret is flatter than the open note, the saddle needs to be moved forward.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;26632760]I'm not even sure anymore. Some think I'm an "idiot" for claiming that there's a best way of holding a pick. There's probably some confusion about my use of the word "correct" too. I only used that term when referring to the best way of holding the pick.
The conclusion of my argument is - that if you want to become a serious guitarist and actually become skilled - then you should hold your pick as described.
If you're only playing for fun and don't care about improvement, then be my guest holding the pick however your want.[/QUOTE]
When just playing chords I hold my pick between my thumb and my index finger, making the index finger pointing back at me because I can move my wrist better that way.
When playing single notes, I make sure that my index finger is pointed towards the guitar for maximum flexibility and precision.
Am I doing it wrong?
I got my thumb and index finger holding the pick and my index finger is pointing the same way as the pick. When I play the pick is facing towards me. That's how I play and don't know how to use it any other way.
How do you adjust the string height then? :/
[QUOTE=Nonikai;26636429]The most convenient way to pick a guitar is to pick it the way [b]you[/b] want to. There is no need to relearn technique just because someone said it's more convenient.[/QUOTE]
Why do you all get so offended by this? It's not any different from telling one how to hold a golf club for that perfect swing. Or how you should kick a football. The odds are that you're not very unique, and that in the long run you will benefit from doing what the masters themselves say.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;26634505]I dig what you're trying to do- you don't want a kid learning how to golf with a baseball grip either- but there's nothing to prove you can't do "monkey bastard" picking and get good with it. Though now I'm completely confused what you thought people were encouraging saying "freestyling" or whatever was okay. I don't think anybody was advocating holding it sideways between their pinky and index finger or some shit, just that variations weren't necessarily wrong.[/QUOTE]
I used to hold it like Gilbert shows here at 10:30.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAKQ-bGFqgo[/media]
It's just fundamentally flawed.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;26646129]Why do you all get so offended by this? It's not any different from telling one how to hold a golf club for that perfect swing. Or how you should kick a football. The odds are that you're not very unique, and that in the long run you will benefit from doing what the masters themselves say.
I used to hold it like Gilbert shows here at 10:30.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAKQ-bGFqgo[/media]
It's just fundamentally flawed.[/QUOTE]
I'm with Rad on this one, holding the pick like that is the most convenient way - there's no reason why you should hold it any other way other than personal preference which in this case shouldn't matter.
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