[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26303894]Guitar hero IRL! :rock:
Will likely end up in the attic in a few months.
You should have modded it :saddowns:
Arbitrarily posting my current stuff. obviously only "the one" guitar is still in one piece. My other red one got a new neck and a strat tremolo but I never really got around to finishing it. need more parts and drillbits..
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You ever gonna inlay the neck?
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26303894]Guitar hero IRL! :rock:
Will likely end up in the attic in a few months.
You should have modded it :saddowns:
Arbitrarily posting my current stuff. obviously only "the one" guitar is still in one piece. My other red one got a new neck and a strat tremolo but I never really got around to finishing it. need more parts and drillbits..
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You should put a different scratchplate on it. If you could get an engraved aluminium scratchplate that thing would be perfect. It's absolutely amazing as it is now though :buddy:
i cant write songs help me
i just can't find a key or scale or anything that excites me
[QUOTE=TheGuru;26307541]~groovy downtuned midi content~ :v:
[media]http://soundcloud.com/void-protocol/groovy-wip-midi[/media]
New song I started working on. This is the first time I've tried composing using Guitar Pro to create a midi instead of recording my ideas. I'm liking this method so far, because I like to visualise (so to speak) how the song will sound as a whole while I'm writing.
Criticisms welcome, just don't criticise the mix because I know it's a midi and I know it sounds bad. Rest assured the final song will be recorded with real guitar and bass, but probably not real drums :P. The lead guitar in the midi is in place of vocals.
[b]Edit:[/b]
Updated the song, and started a guitar solo in a groovy breakdown section :rock:[/QUOTE]
Send me the gp5 file of it (export it to gp 4.0 or 5.0) and I record it high quality pure punch in your face real instruments style, ok?
Sample of my recording quality :smile:
[media]http://soundcloud.com/dekay-snug/groovy-soundcheck-with-guitar-in-d1[/media]
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Maybe I give the song a whole new twist by making it sound a bit different!
Hullu you also could give me that thing youve been working on in gp4-5.0 format maybe I give it a little nice twist too?
[QUOTE=Benf199105;26312270]i cant write songs help me
i just can't find a key or scale or anything that excites me[/QUOTE]
Well what music do you like to listen to? That's usually a good place to start.
[QUOTE=Darkslicer;26312823]Send me the gp5 file of it (export it to gp 4.0 or 5.0) and I record it high quality pure punch in your face real instruments style, ok?
Sample of my recording quality :smile:
[media]http://soundcloud.com/dekay-snug/groovy-soundcheck-with-guitar-in-d1[/media]
[editline]26th November 2010[/editline]
Maybe I give the song a whole new twist by making it sound a bit different!
Hullu you also could give me that thing youve been working on in gp4-5.0 format maybe I give it a little nice twist too?[/QUOTE]
What programs you've used?
I think he wants to play it himself though. It's his song and all.
[editline]26th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Benf199105;26312270]i cant write songs help me
i just can't find a key or scale or anything that excites me[/QUOTE]
Just fiddle around the neck and play random chords and notes.
That's how I come up with some of my stuff. By fiddling.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;26312877]Well what music do you like to listen to? That's usually a good place to start.[/QUOTE]
metal.
metallica
megadeth
machine head
slayer
anthrax
all that remains
lich king (thrash band)
i just get one riff and i don't know how to move on, i always edge towards writing thrash and just chugging the E and its boring me.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;26312888]What programs you've used?
I think he wants to play it himself though. It's his song and all.
[/QUOTE]
I used drumsite and audacity, nothing more :smile: Took me years to get it sound like that! Nearly all samples are from somewhere else and mixed by my own.
I just wish I could have the full version of drumsite! I hate not beeing able to export to WAV! Hullu do you have the full version of drumsite?
Writing music based off theory is a bit silly if you ask me. I always write first; theory later.
[QUOTE=Nonikai;26312983]Writing music based off theory is a bit silly if you ask me. I always write first; theory later.[/QUOTE]
I just write my music, fuck rules.
[QUOTE=Nonikai;26312983]Writing music based off theory is a bit silly if you ask me. I always write first; theory later.[/QUOTE]
Writing by theory is a lot like using presets on a synthesizer. Good if you're starting out, and always handy as a reference to reverse-engineer later, but it sounds like crap to rely on.
Conversely, the Pixel rule- jam notes together until you find a combination that sounds good.
oh hey look at me buying shit I can't play :downs:
[media]http://soundcloud.com/xenocidebot/lc100-get[/media]
fucking fingers quit being massive and useless
[QUOTE=Benf199105;26312935]
i just get one riff and i don't know how to move on, i always edge towards writing thrash and just chugging the E and its boring me.[/QUOTE]
You probably just need to try more. I would estimate that maybe 3/4 of all the songs I start I just scrap along the way. And maybe half of the remaining fourth I finish. And maybe half of [I]those[/I] I am truly satisfied with. That's 1 succesful project in 16. :v:
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;26313126]Writing by theory is a lot like using presets on a synthesizer. Good if you're starting out, and always handy as a reference to reverse-engineer later, but it sounds like crap to rely on.
Conversely, the Pixel rule- jam notes together until you find a combination that sounds good.
oh hey look at me buying shit I can't play :downs:
[media]http://soundcloud.com/xenocidebot/lc100-get[/media]
fucking fingers quit being massive and useless[/QUOTE]
That should be the new starting music to Guitar Pro
[QUOTE=Darkslicer;26312959]I used drumsite and audacity, nothing more :smile: Took me years to get it sound like that! Nearly all samples are from somewhere else and mixed by my own.
I just wish I could have the full version of drumsite! I hate not beeing able to export to WAV! Hullu do you have the full version of drumsite?[/QUOTE]
No I don't. I just export the whole lot from GP as a mid and then Import it to Drumsite. Gives me full drum tracks in a few seconds.
Then I just record them using Audacity and my sound cards "Stereo Mix" or "What U Hear" function. Works like a charm.
Also, could you give me some useful links for audacity, because you seem to know how to use it properly?
[QUOTE=Nonikai;26312983]Writing music based off theory is a bit silly if you ask me. I always write first; theory later.[/QUOTE]
And yet all the most complex music( classical ) have been written based on theory. If you ask me, everything what Igor Stravinsky has written for example is far more diverse than any metal song.
Music theory imo is a great tool for writing music, being able to write down the notes you hear instantly makes the process much more faster than trial & error.
I'm currently learning piano and slowly abandoning guitar because piano is just far more diverse. You can do anything with it that you can do with guitar plus it's easier to compose with it ( you can play melody & bassline easily at the same time ).
Could someone recommend a good electro-acoustic? I'm getting a new guitar for christmas, but don't know what i should ask for.
Not too pricy, but not the cheapest.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;26313590]No I don't. I just export the whole lot from GP as a mid and then Import it to Drumsite. Gives me full drum tracks in a few seconds.
Then I just record them using Audacity and my sound cards "Stereo Mix" or "What U Hear" function. Works like a charm.
Also, could you give me some useful links for audacity, because you seem to know how to use it properly?[/QUOTE]
I need the full version of drumsite just to export to wav because my CPU is to weak for the "What U Hear" option, it goes up to 85 degrees and then my pc give's me the Bluescreen (after drumsite played about 1-2 minutes) Stupid Midi files and stupid CPU. So lately I can't record anything anymore :frown: and there is no other way to fix it (can't buy cpu because old ass mainboard and I'm poor) I really hope to continue with my music soon but I guess this will be a huge time break :frown:
I never used tutorials for audacity, I just use the new beta, the mp3 lame encoder + the vst plugins pack! All the plugins I mostly use are "amplify, compressor" Im recording my stuff pretty oldschool, keeps the fun and mood way longer than having this bigass interface you need to get around with and all these small setups! Audacity is mostly all you really need.
Also a good way to make your music sound clear is to record everything quietly so your recordings don't peak before you mix them! Then you pull all the pieces together and then you tweak the sound! Audacity is nice because it show's you the parts where the overrall volume peaks everything (like most programms) so you can tweak again pretty quickly and easy.
[QUOTE=JoeyZ;26310155]You ever gonna inlay the neck?[/QUOTE]
Nope
Don't have a drill press so doing it would be pretty futile or sloppy. If I could get some nice high quality clay, or maybe make up some sort of Tagua-paste, I could probably drill in, and fill them with the clay or ivory paste, and then radius the neck. Though, I'd only do that on any NEW necks I make, since I'm radiusing the fretboards myself now.
I don't really need the inlays anymore on this guitar, anyways. From a playing standpoint.
[editline]26th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;26310468]You should put a different scratchplate on it. If you could get an engraved aluminium scratchplate that thing would be perfect. It's absolutely amazing as it is now though :buddy:[/QUOTE]
The pickgaurd you mean? I wouldn't mind a copper pickgaurd. Though it'd corrode to a pretty ugly green, though. copper pickgaurd would pretty much eliminate any electrical hum, which would be nice.
[QUOTE=whitespace;26316570]And yet all the most complex music( classical ) have been written based on theory. If you ask me, everything what Igor Stravinsky has written for example is far more diverse than any metal song.
Music theory imo is a great tool for writing music, being able to write down the notes you hear instantly makes the process much more faster than trial & error.
I'm currently learning piano and slowly abandoning guitar because piano is just far more diverse. You can do anything with it that you can do with guitar plus it's easier to compose with it ( you can play melody & bassline easily at the same time ).[/QUOTE]
Bullshit, the whole of romanticism(is that the word in English?), which is by some considered the gratest classical period, is written entirely without harmonic theory in mind
Case in point:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0Z6g1XJkU[/media]
[editline]26th November 2010[/editline]
Though I agree that theory is sometimes convenient
Well I knew someone would bring that up. I meant more the contemporary, impressionistic and expressionistic era. Romanticism is one of the worst periods in music imo.
The main reason why I'm so interested in theory is the fact that once you've studied it enough, music composing becomes much more easier because then visualising the songs becomes easier. After that, guitar pro and all the other programs turn obsolete, because composing with them is much more slower than composing in your mind and writing it down as you go.
[QUOTE=whitespace;26316570]And yet all the most complex music( classical ) have been written based on theory. If you ask me, everything what Igor Stravinsky has written for example is far more diverse than any metal song.
Music theory imo is a great tool for writing music, being able to write down the notes you hear instantly makes the process much more faster than trial & error.
I'm currently learning piano and slowly abandoning guitar because piano is just far more diverse. You can do anything with it that you can do with guitar plus it's easier to compose with it ( you can play melody & bassline easily at the same time ).[/QUOTE]
Hate to be a dick, but if the observation you came to is that piano is more diverse than guitar, you probably need to broaden your horizons beyond metal and possibly classical (is that it?) and learn and write some new stuff.
Not to say you shoudln't learn piano, but guitar has its strengths and weaknesses just as a piano does. Lots of music a guitar excels at that a piano would fall short in.
[QUOTE=whitespace;26316570]And yet all the most complex music( classical ) have been written based on theory. If you ask me, everything what Igor Stravinsky has written for example is far more diverse than any metal song.
Music theory imo is a great tool for writing music, being able to write down the notes you hear instantly makes the process much more faster than trial & error.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to have to agree. There is some big confusion about music theory where people believe that you can make a song based off the knowledge. It isn't like that at all. It is more that you apply the concepts of music theory to the music in your head. It is a great way for trouble shooting or figuring out why something sounds good, or why something doesn't sound good. It can also allow you to figure out parts that would compliment what is in your head. For example, you may think up this awesome melody, but aren't sure what chords should support it. Using a little bit up music theory, you can list some good combinations and their timings and see what works best. This is far better than just choosing random chords to see what works.
I apply music theory all the time when I'm improvising. I think most anyone knows that you can be really safe improvising with the pentatonic scale, but that usually gets boring. Where it gets interesting is where you start thinking about the chords, and how you're going to try to seamlessly connect what you're playing to the next chord. Also when you are thinking out some direction when playing. Like "alright I want to create a lot of tension here so I can make a big resolution, so I'm going to hit some more dissonant tones, I'm on the V chord but I don't want to fully resolve this yet so I'll play a B right before the chord change and bend up to a C when it changes so it isn't very resolved, continue with the tension, wait for the V chord to come around again and this time resolve it and stay on the A". At least when I improvise, I may have what I'm going to play right at that moment in my head, but I don't have a clue where I'll be going in the next few measures, but taking a second to think about it helps give me a lot more direction and purpose.
[QUOTE=whitespace;26317843]Well I knew someone would bring that up. I meant more the contemporary, impressionistic and expressionistic era. Romanticism is one of the worst periods in music imo.
The main reason why I'm so interested in theory is the fact that once you've studied it enough, music composing becomes much more easier because then visualising the songs becomes easier. After that, guitar pro and all the other programs turn obsolete, because composing with them is much more slower than composing in your mind and writing it down as you go.[/QUOTE]
Well that is true, and the reason I'm learning to write/read music
I really don't have a problem with the actual coming up with music by ear though
If you can't hear what sounds good you shouldn't be a musician
Sometimes it helps to know where you have your fifths and thirds though
[editline]26th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pepin;26317943]I'm going to have to agree. There is some big confusion about music theory where people believe that you can make a song based off the knowledge. It isn't like that at all. It is more that you apply the concepts of music theory to the music in your head. It is a great way for trouble shooting or figuring out why something sounds good, or why something doesn't sound good. It can also allow you to figure out parts that would compliment what is in your head. For example, you may think up this awesome melody, but aren't sure what chords should support it. Using a little bit up music theory, you can list some good combinations and their timings and see what works best. This is far better than just choosing random chords to see what works.
I apply music theory all the time when I'm improvising. I think most anyone knows that you can be really safe improvising with the pentatonic scale, but that usually gets boring. Where it gets interesting is where you start thinking about the chords, and how you're going to try to seamlessly connect what you're playing to the next chord. Also when you are thinking out some direction when playing. Like "alright I want to create a lot of tension here so I can make a big resolution, so I'm going to hit some more dissonant tones, I'm on the V chord but I don't want to fully resolve this yet so I'll play a B right before the chord change and bend up to a C when it changes so it isn't very resolved, continue with the tension, wait for the V chord to come around again and this time resolve it and stay on the A". At least when I improvise, I may have what I'm going to play right at that moment in my head, but I don't have a clue where I'll be going in the next few measures, but taking a second to think about it helps give me a lot more direction and purpose.[/QUOTE]
I do that too :v:
Well not in those words really, but still
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26317863]Hate to be a dick, but if the observation you came to is that piano is more diverse than guitar, you probably need to broaden your horizons beyond metal and possibly classical (is that it?) and learn and write some new stuff.
Not to say you shoudln't learn piano, but guitar has its strengths and weaknesses just as a piano does. Lots of music a guitar excels at that a piano would fall short in.[/QUOTE]
Guitar has the strength of playing lots of the same notes fast, and the changeable sound. Everything else you can do with a piano too.( yes sweeps too )
But I wrote that post mainly with composition in mind, so it's kinda biased. My main point was( or tried to be ) that imo piano is far more useful in composing than a guitar is.
And yes, I listen to pretty much anything that sounds good, but I mainly want to write classical, jazz, or some experimental metal stuff.
[QUOTE=whitespace;26318163]Guitar has the strength of playing lots of the same notes fast, and the changeable sound. Everything else you can do with a piano too.( yes sweeps too )
But I wrote that post mainly with composition in mind, so it's kinda biased. My main point was( or tried to be ) that imo piano is far more useful in composing than a guitar is.
And yes, I listen to pretty much anything that sounds good, but I mainly want to write classical, jazz, or some experimental metal stuff.[/QUOTE]
Guitar has bends and slides too
As I see it, piano is more convenient, but guitar is more expressive
[QUOTE=whitespace;26318163]Guitar has the strength of playing lots of the same notes fast, and the changeable sound. Everything else you can do with a piano too.( yes sweeps too )
But I wrote that post mainly with composition in mind, so it's kinda biased. My main point was( or tried to be ) that imo piano is far more useful in composing than a guitar is.
And yes, I listen to pretty much anything that sounds good, but I mainly want to write classical, jazz, or some experimental metal stuff.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I could see that. Definitely. A piano's layout is a lot more straightforward when it comes to composing
Im just saying, it sounds like a lot of people are trying to step over their own feet. Composition doesn't mean much if you can't really play it well. You could make an incredible piece for guitar, but unless you know the fretboard and it's notes like the back of your hand, as well as have the inspiration to play it with intensity, the sound may not live up to the composition.
There's two parts to music, the ability to master an instrument, and the ability to exploit "theoretical" musical theory [I]or[/I] your practical hardwired musical knowledge to compose the music. You could be really good at one or the other, but you're not going to be fantastic musician until you really master both. Maybe just stick to getting really good at guitar before you start plowing into a bunch of different instruments, like lots of people do.
It's not too hard to get [I]good[/I] at playing guitar, but it takes a lot of time to become truly masterful. time might be better spent mastering one instrument, rather than learning to play bunch of different instruments adequately. I've seen a lot of people who can play multiple instruments, they are decent at all of them, but its nothing to really write home about. If they had stuck to one instrument and invested a lot of time and inspiration into it, they could have truly mastered it, and truly talented instrument players are hard to come by because most people don't invest the time.
Sort of a longwinded post, TL;DR don't get ahead of yourself, I don't mean this to be offensive, but random practice compositions are a dime a dozen, masterful instrument players are not. May be better to hone your instrument skills before switching to other instruments or starting to invest a lot of time (and money) in composing.
[editline]26th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=mynames2long;26318242]As I see it, piano is more convenient[/QUOTE]
Well, convenient strictly from a composing sense. Everything else is inconvenient about it. You could haul an incredible acoustic or electric guitar around with you to play, but it takes a lot of effort to haul around even the shitiest pianos with you. :P
And I gotta agree with expressiveness, Piano's keys are all laid out there for you, a guitars tone is defined by how you play it. I suppose you could call a piano consistent, but it's a bit mundane in that sense, doesn't have the expressiveness of a plucked or bowed stringed instrument.
Piano is also convenient in the sense that it can back itself, doesn't really need a band behind it
Yeah. Though, there's plenty of ways to play guitar without backing, provided the composition was made to support that. You can use twelve string guitars for a more full sound, you can play more bass notes in the piece, or use power chords for rythm fill. Overdrive also tends to thicken the sound in general. There's nothing wrong with a bit of simplicity, having a lot of different parts to be played in unison doesn't really make the composition good, it just makes it a complicated and time consuming composition.
[QUOTE=mynames2long;26318063]I do that too :v:
Well not in those words really, but still[/QUOTE]
Yeah, when you take the time to explain out the thought process it seems way more complicated than it really is. It's more just quick thoughts that you really don't say in your head, but if you were to say them out it would be something like that.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26318999]Yeah. Though, there's plenty of ways to play guitar without backing, provided the composition was made to support that. You can use twelve string guitars for a more full sound, you can play more bass notes in the piece, or use power chords for rythm fill. Overdrive also tends to thicken the sound in general. There's nothing wrong with a bit of simplicity, having a lot of different parts to be played in unison doesn't really make the composition good, it just makes it a complicated and time consuming composition.[/QUOTE]
It depends on what style you're going for really
If you want to play a really epic, bombastic piece you generally can't do it on guitar without backing
On the piano on the other hand it's very possible
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