Guitar Discussion Thread V6 - General

I'd say the guitar can be used for composition like a piano, it's just not done as often and is more difficult. Here is a bit of an example. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ9jrBg4Lwc[/media] You can get the kind of range and composition that a piano has to offer. But again this isn't commonly done with most modern music because it is difficult and has limitations. Now when you get into the realm of distortion, it just isn't possible because anything besides 5 chords sound terrible. The guitar does have a big advantage with playing lead.

Well, piano does tend to take the form of a backing instrument most of the time, it tends not to be a lead instrument anymore. I suppose piano and guitar fill the same echelon, just in an opposite sense. Due to the lack of the piano's expressiveness, it tends to be a bit dull and mundane when it's a lead instrument, whereas the guitar excels as a lead instrument but it cannot be used as effectively as a backing instrument if it already being played for a lead role. With a guitar, you can switch between lead and rythm for the piece, and still have it be "epic" or "boomy" but it won't be as seamless as with a piano. But as I said, you can play a lead role with a 12 string guitar and the piece will still sound a bit more full. Sort of cheating in that sense, though. At any rate, wasn't talking about which one is better, mostly saying that it's better to stick to learning and mastering one instrument. edit With that video pepin posted, you can see him playing both the lead and rythm at the same time, plucking bass notes for a bit more fill, sort of what I was talking about in my last post.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26317162]Nope Don't have a drill press so doing it would be pretty futile or sloppy. If I could get some nice high quality clay, or maybe make up some sort of Tagua-paste, I could probably drill in, and fill them with the clay or ivory paste, and then radius the neck. Though, I'd only do that on any NEW necks I make, since I'm radiusing the fretboards myself now. I don't really need the inlays anymore on this guitar, anyways. From a playing standpoint. [editline]26th November 2010[/editline] The pickgaurd you mean? I wouldn't mind a copper pickgaurd. Though it'd corrode to a pretty ugly green, though. copper pickgaurd would pretty much eliminate any electrical hum, which would be nice.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/hamerdog/coppertop4.jpg[/img] Looks pretty damn sexy to me :neckbeard:

Hasn't become green yet though What's the word for it? Ärgad in swedish

Oxidising I think, I did chemistry 4 years ago :v:

[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;26319540][img_thumb]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/hamerdog/coppertop4.jpg[/img_thumb] Looks pretty damn sexy to me :neckbeard:[/QUOTE] That's just some minor corrosion and staining caused by the greases and acids from skin that make contact with it. Could be oxidizing, but any skin contact will speed up that oxidization in the contact areas. This is copper corrosion [img_thumb]http://www.corrosionlab.com/Failure-Analysis-Studies/Failure-Analysis-Images/20022.pitting.copper-heat-exchanger/Corrosion-pits-ID.JPG[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26318646]Yeah, I could see that. Definitely. A piano's layout is a lot more straightforward when it comes to composing Im just saying, it sounds like a lot of people are trying to step over their own feet. Composition doesn't mean much if you can't really play it well. You could make an incredible piece for guitar, but unless you know the fretboard and it's notes like the back of your hand, as well as have the inspiration to play it with intensity, the sound may not live up to the composition. There's two parts to music, the ability to master an instrument, and the ability to exploit "theoretical" musical theory [I]or[/I] your practical hardwired musical knowledge to compose the music. You could be really good at one or the other, but you're not going to be fantastic musician until you really master both. Maybe just stick to getting really good at guitar before you start plowing into a bunch of different instruments, like lots of people do. It's not too hard to get [I]good[/I] at playing guitar, but it takes a lot of time to become truly masterful. time might be better spent mastering one instrument, rather than learning to play bunch of different instruments adequately. I've seen a lot of people who can play multiple instruments, they are decent at all of them, but its nothing to really write home about. If they had stuck to one instrument and invested a lot of time and inspiration into it, they could have truly mastered it, and truly talented instrument players are hard to come by because most people don't invest the time. Sort of a longwinded post, TL;DR don't get ahead of yourself, I don't mean this to be offensive, but random practice compositions are a dime a dozen, masterful instrument players are not. May be better to hone your instrument skills before switching to other instruments or starting to invest a lot of time (and money) in composing. [editline]26th November 2010[/editline] Well, convenient strictly from a composing sense. Everything else is inconvenient about it. You could haul an incredible acoustic or electric guitar around with you to play, but it takes a lot of effort to haul around even the shitiest pianos with you. :P And I gotta agree with expressiveness, Piano's keys are all laid out there for you, a guitars tone is defined by how you play it. I suppose you could call a piano consistent, but it's a bit mundane in that sense, doesn't have the expressiveness of a plucked or bowed stringed instrument.[/QUOTE] I agree with everything except the part about learning one instrument vs multiple, in my experience learning various instruments it's great, it broads your horizons, it makes you think differently, it puts you out of your comfort zone and makes you think in ways you haven't ever thought before. Learning a different instrument can make you better with the one you started, simply because you know more about music, more about expression and more about other instruments. Sure you may not be able to play a bazillion notes per second but if you learn first guitar and then piano for example, you can now create interesting melodies that can have both the piano and the guitar complementing each other.

I'm aware, there are other pictures of similar guitars with copper corroded fascias, it still looks really cool. That one was the first on google though :v: [url]http://www.spaltinstruments.com/instruments/custom-work-624-conventional/guitars-a/[/url] There are a few on this guy's page

[QUOTE=bunguer;26319739]I agree with everything except the part about learning one instrument vs multiple, in my experience learning various instruments it's great, it broads your horizons, it makes you think differently, it puts you out of your comfort zone and makes you think in ways you haven't ever thought before. Learning a different instrument can make you better with the one you started, simply because you know more about music, more about expression and more about other instruments. Sure you may not be able to play a bazillion notes per second but if you learn first guitar and then piano for example, you can now create interesting melodies that can have both the piano and the guitar complementing each other.[/QUOTE] This is very true

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26318646]Composition doesn't mean much if you can't really play it well. You could make an incredible piece for guitar, but unless you know the fretboard and its notes like the back of your hand, as well as have the inspiration to play it with intensity, the sound may not live up to the composition.[/QUOTE] I don't get this. Care to evaluate?

If you're only interested in composition, then multiple instruments would be fine, but unless you're a genius polymath, you'll progress pretty slowly in your practical skill for the instruments you are familiar with, compared to the speed you'd progress learning one instrument.

Got myself a: [img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61rGz6aU7EL.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.musiciansbuy.com/mmMBCOM/images/Fender/Fender_2300010-000_Top.jpg[/img] Already love it.

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;26320149]I don't get this. Care to evaluate?[/QUOTE] This mostly applies to guitar (or wind/brass instruments) there's a lot of other technique that goes into playing, besides just hitting the correct note. I find when you really get into the song you're playing, it really does begin to sound a lot better (and other people listening will notice) it really makes the music a lot more soulful and expressive. You can compose a guitar piece, but if you don't play it with that intensity, then it may not sound as good to the ear. Depends on what kind of music it is, though. If it's rock, metal (some forms of metal) or blues, you want that intensity that makes it good, and a lot of that intensity comes from playing skill. For jazz or classical guitar, it would be smooth chord transitions and dexterous picking that make the music sound soft, smooth and seamless, which is also dictated by your skill with the instrument. You can write a good composition, but if you (or somebody else) can't play it well, then it's not going to be a very good recording, could lead to easy discouragement.

[QUOTE=Darkslicer;26312823]Send me the gp5 file of it (export it to gp 4.0 or 5.0) and I record it high quality pure punch in your face real instruments style, ok? Sample of my recording quality :smile: [media]http://soundcloud.com/dekay-snug/groovy-soundcheck-with-guitar-in-d1[/media] [editline]26th November 2010[/editline] Maybe I give the song a whole new twist by making it sound a bit different! Hullu you also could give me that thing youve been working on in gp4-5.0 format maybe I give it a little nice twist too?[/QUOTE] I'd like to record it myself first, but afterwards you're more than welcome to do a cover or offer your own suggestions on guitar tone and whatnot :)

[QUOTE=whitespace;26316570]And yet all the most complex music( classical ) have been written based on theory.[/QUOTE] A lot of modern theory is based off of what people discovered sounds good over time, so more of that inspired relevant material than was derived from it. [QUOTE=whitespace;26318163]But I wrote that post mainly with composition in mind, so it's kinda biased. My main point was( or tried to be ) that imo piano is far more useful in composing than a guitar is.[/QUOTE] If it's a MIDI piano and hooked up to a good workstation so you can load up a full kit and record it as you run it and auto-quantize later, sure. My problem these days with running something off entirely with one instrument like a piano is you get no idea of the tonal characteristics of the main instrument(s) in the mix. Unless it's a piano/guitar/whatever-led song. Most of you guys probably don't design your own synth patches (or use synths to begin with) or fuck around with elaborate sampling and effects, but for unique or constantly shifting stuff I find myself starting with the core instrument and either singing or whistling a second voice while I dial it in. Though the speed's nice, I'll give you that. [QUOTE=hypno-toad;26320274]You can compose a guitar piece, but if you don't play it with that intensity, then it may not sound as good to the ear. Depends on what kind of music it is, though. If it's rock, metal (some forms of metal) or blues, you want that intensity that makes it good, and a lot of that intensity comes from playing skill. For jazz or classical guitar, it would be smooth chord transitions and dexterous picking that make the music sound soft, smooth and seamless, which is also dictated by your skill with the instrument. You can write a good composition, but if you (or somebody else) can't play it well, then it's not going to be a very good recording, could lead to easy discouragement.[/QUOTE] This is the reason bought a guitar to begin with. I can, for a fairly reasonable fee, get samples of any instrument being played in a number of styles and with different types of articulations that I can use to piece together a realistic performance which is indistinguishable from a live equivalent. But I've never seen, heard, nor been able to do anything of the sort with an electric guitar.

[QUOTE=mynames2long;26318821]Piano is also convenient in the sense that it can back itself, doesn't really need a band behind it[/QUOTE] I daily play piano by myself, I shall back you up.

I got my Bugera 6262 yesterday, the thing is awesome, highly recommended.

I know he gets a lot of flack, but he really has superb technical skill. Although I'm really suspicious about 4:20 because it just doesn't look natural or possible. But some people have said they've seen him do it live, but still have some doubts. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NV3CdniXC8&NR=1[/media] [editline]26th November 2010[/editline] What the Hell. I guess it is legit. It's at around 4:45. It doesn't sound all that clean but I don't know how he can move his arm that fast. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROXaetl3Dh0[/media] Something very interesting is done by Petrucci at around 1:08. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knYeGFIXVcI[/media]

Good news everyone! My pedal isn't broken, the output jack is really loose though.

[QUOTE=Camp er Joe;26324836]Good news everyone! My pedal isn't broken, the output jack is really loose though.[/QUOTE] I hate that on my guitar. It keeps coming loose. Too lazy to solder the outside shut though.

Meh. Tried improvising to this. Not too far into it I get confused. I think I may of made a comeback later in the video, maybe not, I'm tired. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StQsrQlVYA8[/media]

I have one word for the guy that said piano is better than guitar vibrato

I think its great to know both piano and guitar, you can't really say one is better, but they are great for different things.

I think I finished my groovy ass Doom-song :buddy: [media]http://soundcloud.com/void-protocol/groovy-wip-midi[/media] This is first time I think I've been happy with the solo I wrote as well. Now to record it with real instruments! :v:

[QUOTE=Pepin;26324488]Something very interesting is done by Petrucci at around 1:08. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knYeGFIXVcI[/media][/QUOTE] ???

[QUOTE=Nightsure;26292356]A beginner here to bass playing, I have the Ibanez Gio bass. I plan to play heavy/thrash metal mainly. The amp I got with it was apart of the pack, so I'm unsure about what model it is. This good for a beginner? I'm also using a 1.5mm Dunlop pick, I can't get into rhythm with my right fingers for the life of me. [/QUOTE] Gios ain't that bad, of course there are always better basses :v: [QUOTE=Nightsure;26292356]My friend also somehow managed to get the Fender Starcaster 1985 edition for £50 when it should of been a grand, that lucky bastard. The Strings are also soft as shit.[/QUOTE] You sure it's from '85? I thought the Starcaster only ran from '75 to '82 [QUOTE=Bl4ckDmon;26292462]I was just checking the headstocks on the affinitys and I'm sorely dissapointed now because that's sadly what I have, I just seen Squire, fender, P bass on my headstock and got all excited, It's hilarious though because for a "beginners" bass guitar it sounds so much better than the other bass guitars I had.. Still.. Affinity :'( actually hurt now. also I didn't choose it, So I had no control over who bought it. Gah[/QUOTE] Not saying that it's a bad bass, I mean [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs117.snc4/36194_1479173986963_1462187956_31275585_7894611_n.jpg[/img] That's the inside of your average Harley Benton bass/guitar. [QUOTE=Nonikai;26293189]How do people not notice the horrid mistakes I make when I play live?[/QUOTE] 9 out of 10 people in the audience have no understanding of music, so they won't notice that you're playing the wrong notes. That combined with the fact that you should never admit mistakes. [QUOTE=Dopey Trout;26310468]You should put a different scratchplate on it. If you could get an engraved aluminium scratchplate that thing would be perfect. It's absolutely amazing as it is now though :buddy:[/QUOTE] [url=https://christianeertmer.com/Strat_Style_pickguards.html]Like these?[/url]

[QUOTE=nardix;26329638][url=https://christianeertmer.com/Strat_Style_pickguards.html]Like these?[/url][/QUOTE] More like this, but as a scratchplate :v: [img]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk131/okapi112/moollon_guitars_2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;26330959]More like this, but as a scratchplate :v: [img_thumb]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk131/okapi112/moollon_guitars_2.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Reminded me of this beauty. [img]http://www.makenmusic.com/productImg/Teye_LaIndia_front_body.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Kab2tract;26322610]I got my Bugera 6262 yesterday, the thing is awesome, highly recommended.[/QUOTE] I have one too. They fucking rock so much.

[QUOTE=nardix;26329638] Not saying that it's a bad bass, I mean [img_thumb]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs117.snc4/36194_1479173986963_1462187956_31275585_7894611_n.jpg[/img_thumb] That's the inside of your average Harley Benton bass/guitar.[/QUOTE] So I'm assuming that's basswood. That is what is in my Dean as well