[QUOTE=Arcane Saiph;22273702]I'm looking to start recording guitar tracks on my computer through my amp, but I'm not sure what kind of connections I'd need. I have a normal cable to plug my guitar into my amp but I don't know how to connect the amp to my computer, or what's needed to do that. Anybody here know what kind of stuff I'd need to do this, or am I going to be stuck with directly recording the guitar to the computer without going through my amp to get its effects I'm used to using?
Notes: Guitar is a Schecter Hellraiser DLX, amp is a VOX VT30
Any help appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Ideally, you'd want to buy an audio interface (such as [url=http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/7475-m-audio-fast-track-pro-4-x-4-mobile-usb-audio-midi-interface-with-preamps.html]this[/url], but they get a lot more expensive with more inputs / higher quality preamps). Then you'll want to buy a mic (a [url=http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/3010-shure-sm57.html]Shure SM57[/url] is the industry standard, can't go wrong with it for guitar amps). Then simply plug the mic in to the audio interface, place the mic infront of the amp (experiment with a few placements to get the best sound) and record with anything, such as Audacity (very limited, but free) or Cubase (better, more expensive). There are others out there though depending on what you need.
Another option which bypasses the amp is to plug the guitar straight in to the audio interface. Most of them support this (the one I linked to does). Then, you use amp sims on the computer to get the sound you need. This doesn't sound as good as the first option however it's obviously cheaper (as you don't need a mic).
They're the only ways I would suggest doing it. It can be done other ways (such as plugging your guitar straight in to your computer with an adapter or using a usb mic), but to be honest they don't sound good enough to warrant the effort.
[QUOTE=Epic Sandwich;22274822]Ideally, you'd want to buy an audio interface (such as [url=http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/7475-m-audio-fast-track-pro-4-x-4-mobile-usb-audio-midi-interface-with-preamps.html]this[/url], but they get a lot more expensive with more inputs / higher quality preamps).[/QUOTE]
Nobody should opt for an M-Audio interface. Great company, good products, soundcards are not one of them. Terrible drivers, not all that solidly built, and the preamps suck.
This:
[url]http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-FireStudio-Mobile-10x6-FireWire-Recording-System?sku=620681[/url]
Is a proper interface, not all that expensive, can be found on sale fairly regularly, and FUCK YEAH FIREWIRE.
[QUOTE=Arcane Saiph;22273702]I'm looking to start recording guitar tracks on my computer blah blah yadda yadda[/QUOTE]
You could just get plugged into your amp and plug the amp's headphone (or whatever outputs it has) jack into your soundcard's mic jack. All you "need" is 1/4" cable (which you have already) and either a 1/16" cable or adapter depending on the output on the amp. But that will sound like ass, even if you have a good soundcard. It's the bare minimum.
There's a lot of factors that play into what you end up using.
What are you going to record the tracks in? Pro Tools is a wonderful workstation if you're working mostly with recorded audio. If you were planning on that, getting a [url=http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Digidesign-Mbox-2-USB-AudioMIDI-Pro-Tools-LE-Interface?sku=240479]Digidesign interface[/url] that comes with and is optimized for Pro Tools use would be a good idea. If you're planning on using samples and synths and whatnot in addition to recorded audio (and aren't doing the job with hardware), you might want to consider using FL Studio, Cubase, or Ableton Live to record and produce.
As for actually hooking up your amp to the interface of your choice, Epic is right on the ideal- get set up normally, and use a decent mic/mics and your interface to record. Of course, not everybody has the space, acoustics and lack of background noise for that. You could hook up your amp normally, connect the headphone/whatever output on it to your interface, and then use a microphone modeler (Antares makes a great one as usual) effect instead. Or fuck microphones altogether!
Regarding plugging your guitar straight into an interface and using amp modeling software instead of your actual amp...it might just be me, but I've never heard a software modeler that sounded as good as a hardware modeler, let alone a real amp. Considering you already have a hardware modeler (unless I'm mistaken your amp does it), there'd be no real reason for you to use a software one. The people those really appeal to are the guys who use portable interfaces and a laptop (or just a guitar with an inbuilt preamp and a laptop) as a portable rig. Them and people who want to compose/experiment without worrying about hardware setups.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;22275289]Nobody should opt for an M-Audio interface. Great company, good products, soundcards are not one of them. Terrible drivers, not all that solidly built, and the preamps suck.[/QUOTE]
Are they really that bad? Although I don't have anything M-Audio myself, I know a few people who swear by their interfaces. Maybe you had a bad experience / they got lucky.
Also, in terms of software modelling, Guitar Rig 3 sounds surprisingly good. Obviously not as good as micing up an amp, but if you don't have a nice tube amp to record and a decent microphone, GR3 seems to be a decent compromise.
Fuck yeah Anathema released a new album today!
Also, mixed by Steve Wilson. He's EVERYWHERE. Every band I like these days, I eventually find have had some relation to him.
I love Steve Wilson. I know how to play like 10 Porcupine Tree songs, they're great fun and some are quite challenging.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;22276387]Fuck yeah Anathema released a new album today!
Also, mixed by Steve Wilson. He's EVERYWHERE. Every band I like these days, I eventually find have had some relation to him.
I love Steve Wilson. I know how to play like 10 Porcupine Tree songs, they're great fun and some are quite challenging.[/QUOTE]
Steve Wilson's awesome, never knew he mixed.
Ibanez GAX30, only £130 yet it has a bloody fantastic tone. I'd get one if I didn't want an AMF73 first.
[QUOTE=Epic Sandwich;22276883]Steve Wilson's awesome, never knew he mixed.[/QUOTE]
He helped mix all the Porcupine Tree records and all the other ones for his side projects like No-Man and Blackfield, but he's also done work with Opeth, Dream Theater, Anathema, and a few other things.
Also he did an album with Yoko Ono, what the hell.
[QUOTE=nardix;22260614]It's so... Guitar-ish. Bass is supposed to be played by hand. (Or with a bow, considering the fact that double basses were here first)[/QUOTE]
So what? Playing with a pick gives a different sound than playing with your fingers.
It all depends on what kinda music you play and how you want it to sound.
[QUOTE=Maucer;22268245]You shouldn't give a shit how its supposed to be played. Hell, every few days I pick my guitar and put it on my knees and tap it with two hands like a piano. Being honest I often ask our bassist to use pick because it sounds munch better imo. You can't get that sharpness with your fingers.[/QUOTE]
I actually do give a shit. The sound can be altered at which position you play. If you play at the neck pup, you'll get this jazzy, fat-ish tone. If you play at the bridge pup, you get a more twangy tone. Then there's also the case of which amp, the settings on that amp you are using, which pup you're using and the settings of your tone pot.
There's one exception to all of this though. Fender '60 Precision bass with flatwounds.
[QUOTE=Siminov;22268213]Care if I join?
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MrHUl5P0PTs/S1eSK_2-ebI/AAAAAAAABpU/VerpBEvXRZc/s400/05+-+Robby+Krieger.jpg[img]
I don't have them, yet I finger pick my LP.[/QUOTE]
You don't have nails? :o
[QUOTE=mynames2long;22264430]Because I think you have a bad way of thinking, and I think playing with a pick is mroe comfortable?[/QUOTE]
You should try it once. Start with your thumb only.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;22277799]So what? Playing with a pick gives a different sound than playing with your fingers.
It all depends on what kinda music you play and how you want it to sound.[/QUOTE]
This man speaks the truth.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;22272216]That's an idea.
Though aren't the LTDs kinda shit in comparison to the standards? Looking 'em up online I'm kinda unimpressed.[/QUOTE]
They're obviously not up to the standards of an ESP, but you could do considerably worse than getting an LTD. Seeing as how both models have EMGs you're not gonna notice a tonal difference. But on that note, what amp are you using? EMGs are probably not the best bet for a solid state amp
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[QUOTE=nardix;22279232]I actually do give a shit. The sound can be altered at which position you play. If you play at the neck pup, you'll get this jazzy, fat-ish tone. If you play at the bridge pup, you get a more twangy tone. Then there's also the case of which amp, the settings on that amp you are using, which pup you're using and the settings of your tone pot.
This man speaks the truth.[/QUOTE]
What are you on about? You say people shouldn't play with a pick, then when someone says they both have a place you agree? Make up your mind please
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;22279468]They're obviously not up to the standards of an ESP, but you could do considerably worse than getting an LTD. Seeing as how both models have EMGs you're not gonna notice a tonal difference. But on that note, what amp are you using? EMGs are probably not the best bet for a solid state amp
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What are you on about? You say people shouldn't play with a pick, then when someone says they both have a place you agree? Make up your mind please[/QUOTE]
I say [b]bass[/b]players shouldn't play with a pick. I only encouraged mynames2long to play with his finger.
[QUOTE=nardix;22279669]I say [b]bass[/b]players shouldn't play with a pick. I only encouraged mynames2long to play with his finger.[/QUOTE]
My bad then, you're still wrong. Listen to Yes and then say that bass players shouldn't play with a pick
[QUOTE=nardix;22279669]I say [b]bass[/b]players shouldn't play with a pick. I only encouraged mynames2long to play with his finger.[/QUOTE]
I don't play bass myself, but I don't see why using a pick is a bad thing. I've seen plenty of great bassists play with picks. Picks generally have a lot more attack and a brighter sound than playing with fingers, it's just another way of shaping your sound. I think he should use whatever playing style gives him the sound he's looking for.
Noticed the other day that thomman have added my dream guitar back into their catalogue, and have one in stock.
[IMG]http://a1.images4.thomann.de/pics/bdb/233339/1724192_800.jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://www.thomann.de/gb/rickenbacker_325_c58_mg.htm[/url]
It's a shame that it's fucking [b][u]£3322.44[/b][/u]
I mean, fuck.
That G string is not in it's nut slot.
Oh hah, what a failure. Everything is carefully polished and the guitar is positioned for the picture. Potentiometer knobs are aligned. But nobody noticed that the G is chilling with the B.
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;22279869]My bad then, you're still wrong. Listen to Yes and then say that bass players shouldn't play with a pick[/QUOTE]
Chris Squire uses his fingers.
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;22279869]My bad then, you're still wrong. Listen to Yes and then say that bass players shouldn't play with a pick[/QUOTE]
Squire is probably one of the few people that I don't complain about.
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[QUOTE=Shibbey;22280996]Chris Squire uses his fingers.[/QUOTE]
No dude.
Just bought a Baby Taylor
Don't have an actual pic of it atm as I can't find my camera but
[img]http://www.drumza.com/images/TaylorBT2BabyTaylor34SizeAcousticGuitarwithGigBag.jpg[/img]
It maybe small but it plays incredibly well even though it may suffer a bit in sound quality due to the size it still can hold its own against my full size Taylor GS8. It's built to the same standards as their full size acoustics and has the same craftsmanship as them. at $320 it was a steal.
[QUOTE=w 1 z;22281805]Just bought a Baby Taylor
Don't have an actual pic of it atm as I can't find my camera but
[img]http://www.drumza.com/images/TaylorBT2BabyTaylor34SizeAcousticGuitarwithGigBag.jpg[/img]
It maybe small but it plays incredibly well even though it may suffer a bit in sound quality due to the size it still can hold its own against my full size Taylor GS8. It's built to the same standards as their full size acoustics and has the same craftsmanship as them. at $320 it was a steal.[/QUOTE]
Are you actually a small person?
[QUOTE=Fergeh;22282019]Are you actually a small person?[/QUOTE]
No, 6'3 and 185 lbs. It's actually pretty easy to play and things like barre chords are a bit easier to do than on a full size. I just needed to get a small traveling guitar since I'm going to be going to alot of different places this Summer and I didn't feel like packing my big hulking GS8 everywhere.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;22280996]Chris Squire uses his fingers.[/QUOTE]
No he doesn't
[QUOTE=Epic Sandwich;22276032]Are they really that bad? Although I don't have anything M-Audio myself, I know a few people who swear by their interfaces. Maybe you had a bad experience / they got lucky.[/QUOTE]
I've had some of their other stuff before. Almost everything has a bad driver, though a lot of times the actual gear is good. It's just that when it comes to interfaces, everyone I know who's used one says they're shit, the one time I used one it was shit, store owners have told me they're constantly getting returned, and reviews of them across the 'net tend to be less than flattering.
[QUOTE=Epic Sandwich;22276032]Also, in terms of software modelling, Guitar Rig 3 sounds surprisingly good. Obviously not as good as micing up an amp, but if you don't have a nice tube amp to record and a decent microphone, GR3 seems to be a decent compromise.[/QUOTE]
I still think hardware modelers tend to do better. The couple modeling amps I've used always sounded better than Guitar Rig. Yeah, you can do good stuff with software, but for a guy who already owns an amp that does modeling, I don't know why you'd need more than that. Unless he wasn't micing it and wanted a mic modeler.
[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;22279468]They're obviously not up to the standards of an ESP, but you could do considerably worse than getting an LTD. Seeing as how both models have EMGs you're not gonna notice a tonal difference. But on that note, what amp are you using? EMGs are probably not the best bet for a solid state amp[/QUOTE]
I'm not actually using an amp due to space/convenience issues.
Right now I'm just using Guitar Rig 4 and Amplitube, and shopping around for rackmount amp modelers. Hemming and hawing over the Line6 and BOSS options. Or maybe a PSA-1.1. Might still get another amp too, not decided yet.
I know for a fact that EMGs sound alright on a lot of software and hardware modelers, so that's not an issue.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;22285583]I've had some of their other stuff before. Almost everything has a bad driver, though a lot of times the actual gear is good. It's just that when it comes to interfaces, everyone I know who's used one says they're shit, the one time I used one it was shit, store owners have told me they're constantly getting returned, and reviews of them across the 'net tend to be less than flattering.[/quote]Thanks for that, I'll try and stay away from them in the future.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;22285583]
I still think hardware modelers tend to do better. The couple modeling amps I've used always sounded better than Guitar Rig. Yeah, you can do good stuff with software, but for a guy who already owns an amp that does modeling, I don't know why you'd need more than that. Unless he wasn't micing it and wanted a mic modeler.[/quote]I think the only benefit of software modelling is that you don't need a mic and you can tweak settings after it's been recorded. Aside from that, I agree, hardware modelling is superior :)
When I finger pick I use my thumb on the A, E string and with my index, middle and pinkie I pluck the other strings. I swear to god so many people say "hurr you're playing it like a bass".
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;22274756]Fuck that looks awesome
Nice work[/QUOTE]
Thanks! Best deal I have came across in a while besides two strat copies i got at a yard sale for five dollars with a small marshall amp...
My capo is a pencil and an elastic band.
How much does yer average capo cost?
[url]http://www.guitarcenter.com/Dunlop-Trigger-Flat-Guitar-Capo-232737-i1130193.gc[/url]
10-40 $$$ depending on what you want
I am finally starting to learn solos.
Starting with this song:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OR6HkGS11c[/media]
They are really fucking fun to play.
Any tips on how I should start to learn guitar without taking lessons? I have a mexican strat sitting around from when my sister used to play, but I have no idea to begin. I'm guessing learning the notes on the fretboard, then scales, then notes, then chords. I'm really unsure though.
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