[QUOTE=Dopey Trout;22491338]The 707 is based on the EMG 85, so it's a pretty fat sounding pickup, lower output than the 81 in the bridge, but definitely has it's charm, the 707 pickups in the Schecter Loomis I tried were the only EMG pickups I've enjoyed the sound of, which coming from me, a passive pickup evangelist is pretty high praise. My advice would be to just try out a 7 string with 707's in and see how they sound to you :v:[/QUOTE]
What is it with you people recommending the bloody 707s?
NO FUCKING 707S!
[QUOTE=ThunderGod;22486371]Try combining different sounds that appeal to you, keep these in mind and let yourself go, good improvisation comes from good theory knowledge and feel, don't buy books on how to improvise the best way to do it is to explore it yourself.[/QUOTE]
I will disagree. Books can teach you a lot about improvising. Yes it is good to explore it yourself, but a book guiding you and giving you advice and progressions to improvise over is very helpful.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;22494966]What is it with you people recommending the bloody 707s?
NO FUCKING 707S![/QUOTE]
I'm not RECOMMENDING you BUY a pair you ass, I'm saying why don't you fucking try them out, since all the guitars you lasted have them or Blackouts, that way you can see if they work for you?
It's really difficult to give you advice when you're such an asshole
yeah except saying "why don't you try them out" [I]is[/I] recommending them
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;22494966]What is it with you people recommending the bloody 707s?
NO FUCKING 707S![/QUOTE]
Why not? Because they're not 81/60s?
Just roll with it, see if you like it, and if not, [i]then[/i] look into the 7-81/60s. you know, avoid possibly wasting money and all?
[QUOTE=absinthe;22499392]yeah except saying "why don't you try them out" [I]is[/I] recommending them[/QUOTE]
...Which isn't costing him money so I don't quite see the problem
[QUOTE=TheGuru;22485222]I've heard otherwise. I have no first hand opinion as I've only ever heard the 7 string versions of the pickups I have, but I have heard of people preferring 6 or 7 string versions of pickups. 7 string pickups have to be engineered differently to accommodate for the sound of the low end.[/QUOTE]
I'f they are active pickups, then that's possible. If they are passive, nono.
I steer clear of active pickups, so I wouldn't be able to give much advice on that..
Reading on the EMG site, it said they switched to Alnico magnets (I assume instead of the bright ceramic magnets or possibly neodymium magnets) so they didn't really "engineer" anything, it's a pretty simple change.
Fuck that shit get some BareKnuckle coldsweats!
Dropped a pair in my Carvin and it sounds out of this world.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22500198]I'f they are active pickups, then that's possible. If they are passive, nono.
I steer clear of active pickups, so I wouldn't be able to give much advice on that..
Reading on the EMG site, it said they switched to Alnico magnets (I assume instead of the bright ceramic magnets or possibly neodymium magnets) so they didn't really "engineer" anything, it's a pretty simple change.[/QUOTE]
Actives sound like shit to me anyway.
They cancel out the natural tones of the wood, which I suppose would be ok if you were using a cheap ass wood, but still.
[QUOTE=ThunderGod;22486371]Try combining different sounds that appeal to you, keep these in mind and let yourself go, good improvisation comes from good theory knowledge and feel, don't buy books on how to improvise the best way to do it is to explore it yourself.[/QUOTE]
Sure man, I understand that.
I'm going to do both really
[QUOTE=Pepin;22497162]I will disagree. Books can teach you a lot about improvising. Yes it is good to explore it yourself, but a book guiding you and giving you advice and progressions to improvise over is very helpful.[/QUOTE]
That's what I think, I'm going to both really.
It's just a skill I want to learn, as I can't be fucked learning songs half the time. More fun to make up my own stuff
[QUOTE=JoeyZ;22500796]Actives sound like shit to me anyway.
They cancel out the natural tones of the wood, which I suppose would be ok if you were using a cheap ass wood, but still.[/QUOTE]
Basically this.
It will cause the electronics to have more of a influence over the sound. it doesn't necessarily cover up the normal tone of the unplugged guitar, but you'll be noticing the quirks of the pickups more than that of the guitar. Sort of like if you put some really heavy gain on your amp, you're hearing more of what the amp has to offer than the guitar itself.
[QUOTE=En-Guage V2;22504841]
It's just a skill I want to learn, as I can't be fucked learning songs half the time. More fun to make up my own stuff[/QUOTE]
Totally agree, I haven't learnt a song in ages.
Anyway, I need some help. Major keys have a chord progression of Major Minor Minor, Major, Dominant etc etc, so C major goes C major, D minor, E minor, F major, G dominant, etc.
What does the minor key do?
Give a higher, more unhappy type of tone?
It's just a different medium in which you can structure progressions and scales. It gives you a new type of sound to work with, and so it doesn't sound crap there are different shapes/scales/progressions involved to do so?
What are you asking
I think he's asking what the progression is for minor keys.
Major : M m m M M m dim
Minor: m dim M m m M M
Exactly the same as the major one, however it starts on the 6 degree. The fifth of the major and the seventh of the minor can also be a dominant 7, as you've already said.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;22507627]Totally agree, I haven't learnt a song in ages.
Anyway, I need some help. Major keys have a chord progression of Major Minor Minor, Major, Dominant etc etc, so C major goes C major, D minor, E minor, F major, G dominant, etc.
What does the minor key do?[/QUOTE]
Alright, the best way to figure this stuff out is to actually just lay the scale out. So lets do the major scale.
CDEFGAB
So the first chord is be made up of the triad CEG, C is the root note, G is a fifth (7 semitones above), and E is a major 3rd (4 semitones above) to the C, so the first chord is a C. Notice that if you do another third you get CEGB which is a C major 7 chord.
Next chord is DFA, A is the fifth of D, and F is a minor 3rd (3 semitones above), so D is a minor chord.
You can do this with all of the notes in the scale to find out what all the chords will be, also notice that you can find out what the 7th chord is. Take note that with G, the notes are GBDF, GBD indicates a major chord, while the F is a minor 7th with relation to the G, which means it is a G7.
All you have to do to get the chord is to build thirds (every other note, or rather the third note in the scale) on top of each other.
C - [B]C[/B] D [B]E[/B] F [B]G[/B] A B
F Major 7 - C D E [B]F[/B] G [B]A[/B] B [B]C[/B] D [B]E[/B] F
If you notice, C major and A minor have the same notes in the scale.
CDEFGAB
ABCDEFG
Only difference is that C major starts on C and A minor starts on A. They'll have the same exact chords, it is just your root note that will be different.
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22499437]Why not? Because they're not 81/60s?[/QUOTE]
I already know I like the 81 and 60 sound. I already know I will be buying an 81 and 60. The only question is whether or not the 7 string versions of either sound different, so I know whether or not I'm getting a six string or a seven to put them in and which model I'm getting.
On the rare chance that I like the 707s, then I'd just keep them and swap shit out when I wanted them, or go have the local yokel make me a 7-string body to put them in.
just learnt the first minute of Parisienne Walkways by Gary Moore.
it sounds so incredibly awesome
[QUOTE=Mak123;22519971]just learnt the first minute of Parisienne Walkways by Gary Moore.
it sounds so incredibly awesome[/QUOTE]
Congrats.
I love that 'new song' feeling.
New Guitar Day!
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My new (used) Epiphone Goth Explorer. Built in '04 at a factory in Korea. I drove six hours round trip after a full shift at work to buy this thing off a guy on Craigslist for $175. Not the best deal ever, but cheaper than Ebay and the gas expense for the drive was less than shipping would have been on this beast. No bag or case, unfortunately. Damage is limited to a little chip on the backside of the large pointy end, much like every used Explorer you will ever see.
The passive pickups are kinda muddy and lack appreciable levels of output, so the guitar is probably destined for a set of active EMGs. Pair of 81's, maybe? I'm not really a metalhead, I prefer hard rock with a lot of screaming highs and meaty riffs.
Because I'm a huge Scorpions fan I've wanted a black Explorer ever since I started playing, and now I finally have one. Hell yes.
Why do people always turn to actives :/
[QUOTE=Peavy262;22522612]Why do people always turn to actives :/[/QUOTE]
Because when the rest of me and my family's guitars have actives, passives just sound wimpy and stupid by comparison.
My dad's company reps for EMG and we get the damn things for next to nothing, what do you expect?
[QUOTE=Peavy262;22522612]Why do people always turn to actives :/[/QUOTE]
Because actives for bass sound awesome.
For guitars on the other hand [img]http://filesmelt.com/Imagehosting/pics/a82d1658e530702556362111a6e41318.gif[/img] too clean.
They have their applications. Sometimes that sterile tone can be good, Metallica made it work in Master of Puppets.
It's really just a matter of personal opinion.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;22522638]Because when the rest of me and my family's guitars have actives, passives just sound wimpy and stupid by comparison.
My dad's company reps for EMG and we get the damn things for next to nothing, what do you expect?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't take emg's even if they WERE free
BUT that's my opinion.
But also, you really just said passives sound wimpy?
how..
the fuck?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;22522638]The rest of me and my family's guitars have actives, passives just sound clean with a brighter tone.[/QUOTE]
So I've been playing guitar, entirely self-taught, almost two years now, but I don't feel like I've been advancing as well as I should. I'm pretty good with chords but I'm lacking in the melodies/scales/solos and music theory departments. I've been learning off the eMedia Guitar Method program, but I'm just about done. I've been looking at getting the Intermediate eMedia program and perhaps these two DvDs:
[url]http://books-videos-music.musiciansfriend.com/product/MJS-Music-Publications-Easy-Guitar-Scales-DVD?sku=482519[/url]
[url]http://books-videos-music.musiciansfriend.com/product/MJS-Music-Publications-Easy-Guitar-Theory-DVD?sku=581162[/url]
Does this seem like a good idea or can someone recommend some better material? Perhaps some books to compliment them?
[QUOTE=Peavy262;22523867]
But also, you really just said passives sound wimpy?
how..
the fuck?[/QUOTE]
They do in that guitar and in comparison to the actives in my other stuff, anyway. It's an Epiphone, we're not talking work-of-art tone quality here. They clearly designed it for teenage dolts that hammer on downtuned open strings with the distortion turned up and think it's metal. A decent set of EMGs will beat the shitty pickups that cheap guitars come with every time.
Now a guy taking a router to a real Les Paul so he can cram an 81 in the bridge position, that's a different story.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;22522638]Because when the rest of me and my family's guitars have actives, passives just sound wimpy and stupid by comparison.
My dad's company reps for EMG and we get the damn things for next to nothing, what do you expect?[/QUOTE]
Buy some for me and relay 'em on the cheap, plox.
[QUOTE=JoeyZ;22523884]pretty much something to the effect of "actives are teh sux0rz"[/QUOTE]
Okay, I'll ask you for a laugh, then. I'm budgeting up a rhythm guitar for multiple applications, but primarily your general soundtrack symphonic rock and electronic shlock.
What the hell beyond actives am I going to use? I'll honestly consider your answer, but I don't think you're going to have one beyond like SD Invaders and that's something I already looked into.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;22524164]They do in that guitar and in comparison to the actives in my other stuff, anyway. It's an Epiphone, we're not talking work-of-art tone quality here. They clearly designed it for teenage dolts that hammer on downtuned open strings with the distortion turned up and think it's metal. A decent set of EMGs will beat the shitty pickups that cheap guitars come with every time.
Now a guy taking a router to a real Les Paul so he can cram an 81 in the bridge position, that's a different story.[/QUOTE]
I thought you were saying actives always sound better than passives.
[QUOTE=Peavy262;22524419]I thought you were saying actives always sound better than passives.[/QUOTE]
Considering the number of absolutely amazing sounding guitars with passives, that would be a pretty silly statement. More accurate would be to say that in my opinion, aftermarket active pickups usually sound better than the passives that come with cheaper guitars.
Hell, plenty of companies (Schecter comes to mind) out there already put EMGs in their high-end guitars anyway, so if you don't mind giving up some pretty inlays and finishes you can have the sound of a $900 Hellraiser for $400 worth of guitar and pickups.
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