Philosophical Debate Thread - What is the meaning of everything?
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Well, and the other universes too in case they actually exist
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;27094569]Well, and the other universes too in case they actually exist[/QUOTE]
:iiam:
[QUOTE=Asphyxia;27094564]Philosophy shaped the way our civilizations formed, so experimenting with philosophy overall shapes the minds of people.
while you may die with only discovering a small part of what's all there, you can pass these thoughts down, and continue to develop them more and more.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that is true, but we will still all die stupid
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;27094512]No matter how much you think and study, you will never know even a little part of everything, therefore you will die stupid anyway
[editline]31st December 2010[/editline]
Everything is all the stuff in the universe[/QUOTE]But we'll never learn if someone doesn't take the time to make a single discovery, and have that lead to more and more in that field.
[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;27094582]But we'll never learn if someone doesn't take the time to make a single discovery, and have that lead to more and more in that field.[/QUOTE]
I'm not exactly saying that learning new stuff is useless, we should do it. Even though I will die stupid, I still want to find out all I can
There's really no meaning to anything, so you might as well enjoy yourself while you're here. As long as you don't spoil anyone else's fun, you can do whatever the hell you want.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;27094605]I'm not exactly saying that learning new stuff is useless, we should do it. Even though I will die stupid, I still want to find out all I can[/QUOTE]Ah, good then.
All is well.
NSFR(eligion) Do not read this if your mind is already set at god being awesome or that allah is good.(They totally are)
(No sarcasm)
(No really, I like the concept of a god)
(Yes really...)
Meaning of life is to keep the energy cycles running. Energy never disappear only transform (so they say :smug:)
Meaning of feelings and stuff. Try being autistic (take certain drugs). We've always evolved thus trying to prolong our life, feelings are enjoyable making our will to live alot higher (you just have to live the right way). We have to be able to be vulnerable (both physical and mentally) because otherwise we wouldn't know what healing was. Now stretch all this emotion crap out as far as you can, because I don't speak that language:( Sorry.
Meaning of color, placebo. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? It would take a strong mind to stay happy in a gray world.
Meaning of music, tbh I don't have any idea why music exists. To me it's as stimulating as a drug, mix drugs and music and your result is pacifying.
Meaning of art. I don't know. Still a big black mystery to me really, I can't grasp the idea of art. Sorry;(.
:eng99: Now laugh at me! Silly spaceman, dreaming his awareness away!
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;27094605]I'm not exactly saying that learning new stuff is useless, we should do it. Even though I will die stupid, I still want to find out all I can[/QUOTE]
Then you won't die stupid, in my opinion, stupidity is ignorance. Rejecting these thoughts is unhealthy for you as a person, and as a society. Ignorance is the technical opposite of Insight, which counter-develops our society.
[editline]31st December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Swemon;27094633]NSFR(eligion) Do not read this if your mind is already set at god being awesome or that allah is good.(They totally are)
(No sarcasm)
(No really, I like the concept of a god)
(Yes really...)
Meaning of life is to keep the energy cycles running. Energy never disappear only transform (so they say :smug:)
Meaning of feelings and stuff. Try being autistic (take certain drugs). We've always evolved thus trying to prolong our life, feelings are enjoyable making our will to live alot higher (you just have to live the right way). We have to be able to be vulnerable (both physical and mentally) because otherwise we wouldn't know what healing was. Now stretch all this emotion crap out as far as you can, because I don't speak that language:( Sorry.
Meaning of color, placebo. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? It would take a strong mind to stay happy in a gray world.
Meaning of music, tbh I don't have any idea why music exists. To me it's as stimulating as a drug, mix drugs and music and your result is pacifying.
Meaning of art. I don't know. Still a big black mystery to me really, I can't grasp the idea of art. Sorry;(.
:eng99: Now laugh at me! Silly spaceman, dreaming his awareness away![/QUOTE]
Placebo color? Interesting idea, I've also once thought of this. The idea of color being only visible through our human minds is interesting to say the least and entirely possible, I don't really know how to contradict this thought other than mentioning photographs. Seeing the same colors in a photo and in real life, but still we're using our brain to look at the photo, and to be honest I don't know much about the mechanics of photography.
So unless we find a way to disconnect our consciousness from our brain, there's no real way to find out.
Art is there to say what cannot be said with words, and if it can be said, to lend it additional strength. Art forms a direct emotional link with the viewer, bypassing the hurdles of language.
42!
[QUOTE=Asphyxia;27094635]
So unless we find a way to disconnect our consciousness from our brain, there's no real way to find out.
find a way to disconnect our consciousness from our brain
disconnect our consciousness from our brain
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You my good sir, have found a challenger! PROGRAM ACTIVATE!
No, but really. This is what shamans used to explore by doing all kinds of shrooms :toot:
Even though the first photographic devices made gray pictures, the whole "photographs are the problem in the equation" is a (legend/myth) reason why indians thought that photos were your captured souls.
None of us know what the meaning of life is or if there is one. I'm going to spend the short amount of time enjoying my conciousness. I'd like to further try to understand the world we live in but I also fear that I could spend too much time on achieving nothing.
[QUOTE=seebok;27094731]42![/QUOTE]
but what is the question? should have read the book eh?
Why does there have to be a be a meaning of life? Our race is merely an accident, a mutation. If anything the "meaning" is to keep the race going.
Bah I'll remove my snip with another comment. I don't want to spam the thread too much with my... 'indifferences' with myself.
I want to know if there is anyone who imagines what happens after death?
Myself I'm wondering over the possibility of reincarnation, and I've done so for a long time.
here are some notes that I haven't really considered.
Since energy change all the time, my energy will someday go to someone else (Depending on how long energy on earth will exist)
Though it is only my energy that will transform, so when it goes from human tissue, where will it go?
I'd really love to hear anyones considerations about this, doesn't matter if you're retarded, autistic, caucasian (inb4 racism, I don't hate. I only love)
[QUOTE=PyroCF;27094826]Why does there have to be a be a meaning of life? Our race is merely an accident, a mutation. If anything the "meaning" is to keep the race going.[/QUOTE]
I think the meaning of life is to be happy. The "quest" for happiness is what makes us keep the race going, since having a family and kids makes you happy
Survival = happiness most times so I see where you're coming from. As doing something good for your survival releases serotonin (sp?) so you do it again.
Does there have to be a meaning of everything? For me, the answer is no. What if I did know the meaning of everything, what would it change? Nothing.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;27095045]Does there have to be a meaning of everything? For me, the answer is no. What if I did know the meaning of everything, what would it change? Nothing.[/QUOTE]
Obviously OP wants us to discuss the meaning of stuff, that's what this thread is intended to do.
As you're saying, it doesn't change anything, but human kind hungers after information so that they can prepare themselves.
For example: If we find out what happens after death, then everyone can start adapting to what's going to happen.
For example2: If you were a king and you know that an attack was impending on your lands to ravage "what is yours", wouldn't you like to know their plan and brace yourself?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;27094989]I think the meaning of life is to be happy. The "quest" for happiness is what makes us keep the race going, since having a family and kids makes you happy[/QUOTE]
happiness is a chemical reaction set off by certain environmental triggers
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the purpose of life is to find what life is, once you've done it there's no point to it any more
Meaning is what the designer makes it to be, so unless you believe we are designed there are little reason to believe we have some special meaning.
Think about this. Everything in the universe acts in different ways, whether floating around in space, or in a filled bathtub on Earth. When acted upon by something else, acts in other ways. Mankind generalises many of these occurences in terms such as:
-Mass
-Inertia
-Friction
-Speed
-Velociy
-Density
-Buoyancy
-State of matter
-Temperature
And so on.
If you think about how "normal" most forces in the universe are, gravity seems really odd. In fact, you wouldn't believe how terribly odd gravity is.
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/planets1.png[/img]
Relative to Planet A and Planet B's positions in space:
On Planet B, a group of rather intelligent lifeforms decide to launch a metal probe out into space, to go where no other lifeform could survive. Let's say the probe reaches a point and velocity within the close vicinity of Planet A where it has the ability to slingshot around Planet A because of Planet A's gravity. We measure the probe's velocity [relative to planets]. The probe then slingshots around Planet A, flying away at a velocity much higher than before. This speed can be converted into energy. Now why would the probe have more kinetic energy after than before? Where did that energy come from?
My questions for you are:
How do you explain gravity? Why does it occur? Is there such a thing as inverse-gravity? Does this break the first law of thermodynamics: "Energy can be neither created nor destroyed. It can only change forms." ?
[QUOTE=Swemon;27095136]Obviously OP wants us to discuss the meaning of stuff, that's what this thread is intended to do.
As you're saying, it doesn't change anything, but human kind hungers after information so that they can prepare themselves.
For example: If we find out what happens after death, then everyone can start adapting to what's going to happen.
For example2: If you were a king and you know that an attack was impending on your lands to ravage "what is yours", wouldn't you like to know their plan and brace yourself?[/QUOTE]
Ofcourse but what you are speaking of has nothing to do with the 'meaning' of anything. Meaning of life =/= what happens after death.
The probe actually slows down the planet a tiny bit and converts some of the planets immense momentum into movement energy for the probe.
I have recently become slightly religious after practicing meditation and reading some old buddhist texts.
I'm not religious in the sense that i subject myself to a diety or "pray" to recieve stuff from a mysterious man in the sky, i'm more about trying to be a nice person and spread happiness to whoever i come across. It's not like i feel like i can say for sure what happens after i'm dead, i'm just confident that something good is coming. The meaning of life for me is compassion, knowledge and peace.
i don't get hungry, i don't feel thirsty, i don't feel like peeing until i think about it(or full in case of pee), so i don't think about stuff like this and it never bothers me.
[QUOTE=Archy;27095893]happiness is a chemical reaction set off by certain environmental triggers
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the purpose of life is to find what life is, once you've done it there's no point to it any more[/QUOTE]
"Happiness is a chemical reaction" that doesn't really change anything, it explains how happiness works but doesn't change what it is.
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Kind of a depressing way to think of it aswell.
[QUOTE=Red scout?;27094197]There is no meaning to anything, live life and stop thinking.[/QUOTE]
”The life which is unexamined is not worth living.”
- Plato
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I've only skimmed through half the comments, most of which were flamers and trolololols but personally I think.
- The meaning of life, is a tricky one; We can each have our own meaning, there is no big answer; No big question for that big answer! We start out as a dot, we keep alive, we die we get carried on through generations.
People believe in religions hoping for some personal fufillment because they fear the unknown and want something or someone to hold their hand in their final moments (Hell, that sounds awesome if you can truly believe in it)
But what we all really want is a legacy, something to carry us on; a fight for freedom not just grandkids to carry on our name.
Each and every one of us, from when we could think deeply about it didn't want our blip to vanish completly two years after we're gone, greedy some may say, others say scared.
Life is what we make of it, there is no deeper meaning; I personally think my goal is to live outside of societys normal boundries scrumming along paycheck to paycheck to make ends meat, because when you truly have lost everything and experienced outside of your comfert zone you'll be free.
Well, that's just my two cents.
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