• Philosophical Debate Thread - What is the meaning of everything?
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[QUOTE=Kontradaz;27108345]Absurdism is the philosophy that resonates with my personal feelings and ideologies the most: "According to absurdism, humans historically attempt to find meaning in their lives. Traditionally, this search follows one of two paths: either concluding that life is meaningless, and that what we have is the here-and-now, or by filling the void with a purpose set forth by a higher power - often a belief in God, or adherence to some religion or abstract, irrational concept." "For Camus, the beauty which people encounter in life makes it worth living. People may create meaning in their own lives, which may not be the objective meaning of life (if there is one), but can still provide something for which to strive. However, he insisted that one must always maintain an ironic distance between this invented meaning and the knowledge of the absurd, lest the fictitious meaning take the place of the absurd." Either way, Sisyphus is the shit.[/QUOTE] i love Camus. I read his book [b]The Plague[/b]. It was a great read. It focused on a lot of different things like how individuals cope with death. My favorite theme was that we humans are essentially freaks of the cosmos by having morals in an indifferent reality.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;27104445]Believing life has some objective purpose we should all conform to is irrational. However having said that, there's a lot of really bad arguments for life having no meaning. "We're so small compared to the size of the universe." Size is irrelevant; if we took up half the universe there'd be no more meaning. If we were [i]the whole universe[/i] there would be no meaning. "In 1000 years none of this will matter because we will be dead." Similarly if our lifespans were infinite it doesn't necessarily give our lives meaning.[/QUOTE] I agree with this
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;27108383]Philisophical Debate Thread or How I learned to stop worrying and love insignificance.[/QUOTE] There are many philosophy's that argue the contrary. And i would honestly argue that every human is very significant in an abstract way, especially to themselves and the ones they love. [editline]31st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;27108456]The hell? We all know colour is due to visible light having a range of frequencies with different energies (E = hf)... The sensation of colour is something our brain creates. Many animals don't perceive colour at all.[/QUOTE] And some animals can see more color than we can. I agree, though.
[QUOTE=Binsky;27108502]And some animals can see more color than we can. I agree, though.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Also, some birds can [i]see[/i] magnetic fields. That's obviously some kind of fucking miracle.
So what you're saying is that birds know how fucking magnets work?
[QUOTE=Binsky;27108632]So what you're saying is that birds know how fucking magnets work?[/QUOTE] For real.
[QUOTE=Binsky;27108477]i love Camus. I read his book [b]The Plague[/b]. It was a great read. It focused on a lot of different things like how individuals cope with death. My favorite theme was that we humans are essentially freaks of the cosmos by having morals in an indifferent reality.[/QUOTE] Yea, he was an amazing writer and thinker. I've migrated from so many different philosophical ideologies and absurdism just clicks with me so well, and it's wealth of different views for different situations/topics is wonderful. I would say "The Stranger" is one of my favorite books of his.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;27108656]For real.[/QUOTE] Motherfuckin' miracles [editline]31st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Kontradaz;27108657]Yea, he was an amazing writer and thinker. I've migrated from so many different philosophical ideologies and absurdism just clicks with me so well, and it's wealth of different views for different situations/topics is wonderful. I would say "The Stranger" is one of my favorite books of his.[/QUOTE] I'll have to read that for sure. Thanks. I like the idea. I'll have to read more into the ideology and stuff. I'm always up for changing my perception.
Much of Philosophy is just wannabe science
I've always wondered who exactly ate all the donuts in Half-Life?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27109759]Much of Philosophy is just wannabe science[/QUOTE] Oh but what is philosophy? More philosophy for ya :buddy:
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27109759]Much of Philosophy is just wannabe science[/QUOTE] Moden philosophy is just a series of footnotes to Plato
No meaning.
I never wondered about the meaning of life but rather the end of evolution. Is it a circle in wich one species becomes dominant and then extinct? Is earth itself a part of that circle? Were the dinosaurs the last dominant species, also wiped out by external forces? Will a cataclysmic sun storm eradicate us and start it all over?
[QUOTE=Numidium;27111048]I never wondered about the meaning of life but rather the end of evolution. Is it a circle in wich one species becomes dominant and then extinct? Is earth itself a part of that circle? Were the dinosaurs the last dominant species, also wiped out by external forces? Will a cataclysmic sun storm eradicate us and start it all over?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic[/media] that song says yes
[QUOTE=Numidium;27111048]I never wondered about the meaning of life but rather the end of evolution. Is it a circle in wich one species becomes dominant and then extinct? Is earth itself a part of that circle? Were the dinosaurs the last dominant species, also wiped out by external forces? Will a cataclysmic sun storm eradicate us and start it all over?[/QUOTE] Well thats not really Philosophy. those answers can be answered scientifically (well so can every question really) also as long as there are replicating things then there will still be evolution.
[QUOTE=Kontradaz;27108345]Absurdism is the philosophy that resonates with my personal feelings and ideologies the most: "According to absurdism, humans historically attempt to find meaning in their lives. Traditionally, this search follows one of two paths: either concluding that life is meaningless, and that what we have is the here-and-now, or by filling the void with a purpose set forth by a higher power - often a belief in God, or adherence to some religion or abstract, irrational concept."-Wikipedia "For Camus, the beauty which people encounter in life makes it worth living. People may create meaning in their own lives, which may not be the objective meaning of life (if there is one), but can still provide something for which to strive. However, he insisted that one must always maintain an ironic distance between this invented meaning and the knowledge of the absurd, lest the fictitious meaning take the place of the absurd."-Wikipedia Either way, Sisyphus is the shit: "So what do we do? What's the point? Should we just end it if nothing matters? No, says Camus, thats the pussy way out. Instead, we should embrace the fact that nothing makes sense. Don Juan, the fuckaholic that started it all, he embraced the absurd. Life has no meaning, so he. fucked. everything. He didn't try to impose meaning or find meaning or make his own meaning - that shit is useless, and Camus says there's no hope for that, so cut it the fuck out."-PhilosophyBro[/QUOTE] We studied absurdism, it was quite funny, my lecturer basically said that although Camus was a good writer, philosophically speaking it was rubbish. Personally I don't think he's that bad, but yeah, haha. [editline]1st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27109759]Much of Philosophy is just wannabe science[/QUOTE] what did you just say :geno:
[QUOTE=Mamok Zalku;27109962]I've always wondered who exactly ate all the donuts in Half-Life?[/QUOTE] That's a question no mortal man can ever hope to answer. Even thinking about it makes my brain ache.
[QUOTE=Asphyxia;27111544]That's a question no mortal man can ever hope to answer. Even thinking about it makes my brain ache.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Asphyxia;27094087]We see color in our lives every day, we know that some colors look good together and some don't, but is there a reason it's like this? Would it be easier if there was no color in the universe? And what is color exactly? [B]Think to a atomic level, where is the color contained?[/B] What is the essence of color?[/QUOTE] I'm going to ask again : are you serious when you ask this question? Or are you trying to ask something else? [editline]1st January 2011[/editline] Because the answer lies in physics, not philosophy.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;27111805]I'm going to ask again : are you serious when you ask this question? Or are you trying to ask something else? [editline]1st January 2011[/editline] Because the answer lies in physics, not philosophy.[/QUOTE] Like I said in an earlier post, this isn't 100% philosophy, these questions I ask deal deal with philosophy, science, physics, etc. I'm not going to limit my thinking by only focusing on certain ideas.
[QUOTE=Asphyxia;27111947]Like I said in an earlier post, this isn't 100% philosophy, these questions I ask deal deal with philosophy, science, physics, etc. I'm not going to limit my thinking by only focusing on certain ideas.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. But you realise questions such as the one I highlighted have definite, objective answers, right? [editline]1st January 2011[/editline] It's like the exact opposite of a philosophical question. We've been asking philosophical questions for centuries, but I can tell you with near certainty that they will NEVER be answered objectively, at least not by philosophy.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;27111983]Fair enough. But you realise questions such as the one I highlighted have definite, objective answers, right?[/QUOTE] I'm not the most organized person either. I have a somewhat chaotic thinking style, I can't help it. I guess what it narrows down to is trying to find actual answers to the big questions by picking them apart slowly.
[QUOTE=Asphyxia;27112036]I'm not the most organized person either. I have a somewhat chaotic thinking style, I can't help it. I guess what it narrows down to is trying to find actual answers to the big questions by picking them apart slowly.[/QUOTE] Me neither. But we've been going round in circles since the time of the greeks. Is the point in philosophy even to find answers to these questions, or just ponder all the possibilities over and over again?
People need to stop looking for meanings in things. Wait, I think I've said this before. I'll get back to you with what I said edited in.
If you really want my two cents, I believe that since 'meaning' is a human concept, or at least one arising from the emergent property of certain biological systems known as consciousness, the universe itself will never have 'meaning'. Doesn't mean to say we cannot create our own meaning in life. I believe our purpose and duty as humans is to attain as much knowledge as possible and explore as much of the universe as we can.
philosophy is not just trying to find the meaning everything. It's trying to find what you believe in and what kind of person you want to be. I feel like it's more than that but i can't really put it into words
[QUOTE=Binsky;27112223]philosophy is not just trying to find the meaning everything. It's trying to find what you believe in and what kind of person you want to be. I feel like it's more than that but i can't really put it into words[/QUOTE] I have a personal philosophy, if that's what you mean. I'm a secular humanist. [editline]1st January 2011[/editline] 'mean' doesn't even look like a fucking word any more
I think you guys should stick to playing gmod...
[QUOTE=Gluon;27112270]I think you guys should stick to playing gmod...[/QUOTE] I think you should stick to quarks... [editline]1st January 2011[/editline] heh
i don't own gmod
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