Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread - ANTS - General

Any movie that only exists so that you don't have to give the rights back, one that obviously wouldn't have been made if they could just sit on the rights forever, is going to be shit. It's a foregone conclusion.

It makes me sad that MBJ is in this, he is a great actor

[QUOTE=Zeos;48396846]It makes me sad that MBJ is in this, he is a great actor[/QUOTE] Seeing one actor blowing away everybody else's performances in a movie is always depressing to see, and it tends to happen at least once to one of the actors you like.

Civil War rumor: [sp]T'Chaka (Black Panther's dad) is going to die, causing Panther to fight in the civil war. That might serve as a mini-origin story for him[/sp]

Let me go through the notes I took. I'd tag spoilers but Zuimzado's already gone and made that unnecessary, and I apologize for anything that he's said already that I repeat here. The first sign that something was wrong was that when I got to the theater I was early and asked what time the doors for the showing opened. The lady who sold me the ticket must have misunderstood what I meant because she told me not to worry, only 8 people had bought tickets. That number eventuallly reached about 40 others and there were surprisingly no walk outs, but just about everyone seemed to not enjoy the film, more on that later. Let me first get some good things out of the way. The film is in color and to my surprise it was in 2.35:1 format while if my memory serves correct Antman was in 1.85:1. That about concludes my positive remarks about this film save for a handful of other things that I will get to later because just about right away the film got terrible. This is the second film I've seen this year(Tomorrowland is the other) that I think tried to open with a message that "public schools are terrible and destroy imagination and refuse to reward those who think differently" because the teacher says that Reed's dreams of teleportation are impossible, but like I said I [I]think[/I] that's the case because if it was the film did a terrible job with it. I also want to bring up the fact that apparently Reed went to a country one room schoolhouse from the 1850s judging by the fact that the filmmakers apparently decided to stock the class room of an unspecified grade with what appear to be all ranges of students from elementary school to high school unless those are some very big grade schoolers. Ben and Reed meet because Ben catches Reed at the scrapyard trying to get a power converter. Someone in the theater said out loud "That's a power [I]transformer[/I]." I don't know if that is the actual term but I just wanted to note that we were less than 10 minutes into the film and already the audience was revolting. We also get to see some glimpses of Reed's stepdad who I have a feeling played a bigger part of the backstory at some point in development but got cut somewhere. Then we jump ahead 7 years to what is I guess an All-District Science fair judging by the fact that Reeds elementary school teacher is the same guy judging his now working teleporter and the kid whose model airplane Reed steals to demonstrate his teleporter. If we are to assume that after the 7 year time skip that Reed and Grim are in senior year of high school, the 12th grade why are the High Schoolers apparently competing against elementary schoolers? In the logical world who would let people who are being tested on how to calculate atomic weight of Hydrogen Dioxide compete against people who are just learning that water and flour make glue? And right away I encountered another problem, that albeit might have been me misunderstanding something. Sue and Frank Storm come up to Reed and Ben and congratulate them and admire their working teleporter. Now unless I misunderstood, they said something about it not being able to bring anything back, unlike Reed's did, but they know that the teleporter goes to a different dimension because they compare the dirt on the model airplane to a dirt sample that they got from their teleporter. So if my understanding of it was correct, how did they get a dirt sample if they couldn't bring anything back? I lost track of the time between this and time to the first actual interesting thing in the film while the film introduced characters that were either not as interesting as the filmmakers thought, such as Johnny Storm, or were obviously villains just by their appearance including a sickly looking institute member whose name I couldn't be bothered to remember and and the moody, dark, reclusive Victor von Doom. The film also took this time to stumble about with the dialogue with huge beats in the script and the failed attempts to establish the chemistry between characters. I was taken aback by the fact that Teller and Mara have absolutely NO chemistry in this film even though I think that they're supposed to have some attraction for each other like in most interpretations of the characters. In fact maybe I'm just going crazy but I think there was more of a romantic subtext between Reed and [I]Ben[/I], like weirdly so, almost to the point that I was wondering if it was actually intentional. Maybe the relationship was something they were saving for the sequel that will never happen. Finally the film got to the first test of the large scale teleporter with the chimp and knowing the runtime in advance I realized something. We had gone 30 minutes in, nearly a third of the way through, and only now was something interesting happening. While the characters got drunk and argued over the sickly scientist's request, a not unreasonable one I thought, that the teleporter be staffed with trained recruits instead of college students. 15 minutes later the accident happens, everyone gets superpowers, Doom gets left behind in the alternate dimension. The film then jumps to a goverment facility in a location so secret that not even the film knows where it is, since at one point we see it a bit overcast but clearly spring or summer and then just a few minutes later it's snowing. I did think that the scenes where we get to see the immediate negative effects of the transformations during this and the previous scene, such as when Reed realizes that his foot in is fact on the other side of the room, and when Ben tries to break out of his rock shell were actually pretty neat ideas, but like much of the film this wasn't handled well enough. Reed escapes the facility, leaving the other three behind, and while the government enlists their help in finding them, including using Ben as a weapon, the film decides to go on standby for the next twenty minutes as it flashes forward I think 4 months. This is one of the bigger problems I think with the film is that they cut nearly the entire second act, probably for budget reasons, and with it cut out what we can assume were training montages of the three, maybe Reed somewhere else, learning to use their powers and Ben using them in the field as an Army subject. Say what you will about the second act of the 2005 film with the BMX rally and the bridge scene but at least they [I]tried[/I] to keep things interesting. When the film resumed after the time skip with Ben being touted by the government guy as the ultimate soldier, I did the first of sveral times I face palmed for two reasons one after the other. One, the government guy says that they should rebuild the teleporter to create more soldiers using the alternate dimension because it gave these people extrarordinary powers! Never mind the fact that they know next to nothing about it or if the fact that these changes were beneficial was just a fluke or the fact that one of the people on the voyage presumably didn't survive. Two, as the Scientist speaks to the Army officials in the Pentagon I noted the [URL="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_Washington,_D.C..svg/2000px-Flag_of_Washington,_D.C..svg.png"]Washington DC flag[/URL] in the Pentagon meeting room. There are multiple reasons why the city flag wouldn't be in the meeting room of the top officials at the Pentagon, least of which is the fact that THE PENTAGON IS NOT IN WASHINGTON DC. [URL="https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Pentagon/@38.8724633,-77.0536319,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b7b6df29ed2c27:0xaf83d0f8c013532f"]IT'S IN VIRGINIA YOU DIPSHITS[/URL]. I honestly had to refrain myself from yelling at the screen over something so trivial. We finally get to see the three remaining members and go over the powers they have. Sue has apparently gained the powers of ventriloquism, as there is one scene where I swear she says something to Johnny and her lips don't move. We're also caught up in the manhunt for Reed since he is apparently the only guy who knows enough to fix the teleporter (I just want to note that Chrome keeps wanting to correct "teleporter" to "teleprompter," which is kind of ironic considering some of the line reads in this film) to working condition. They track him down to Panama where he's been living under assumed names and using his elasticity to rearrange his face as a disguise. I actually thought that use of his powers was clever and kind of interesting so of course we only get to see it once and it's never used or brought up again. They send off Ben and a couple of Marines after Reed and after 20 excruciatingly long minutes since the last interesting part of the film we finally get something interesting as Ben and the soldiers fight Reed. For a moment I got really excited, as did the guy sitting a few seats down from me, who audibly complained when the fight scene ending less than a minute later. Remember that line that was in half of the trailers? "10 minutes, maybe less?" I facepalmed again and I think someone else did in the theater as well, when it turned out that line was referring to how long it would take Reed to fucking fix coding errors in the teleporter. After fixing the teleporter, sending [I]sober[/I] people this time, the characters remark that the place has changed. "The landscape's changed""How?""I don't know, it's just different." Why do I have the feeling that line was added because they couldn't actually afford to change the landscape besides the lighting and had to say it was changed? They find Doom still alive, who has fused with his suit from the first voyage and somehow has managed to find a cloth hooded cape in this lifeless alternate dimension. Doom rants and raves about how he will destroy the world, even killing most of the cast, but despite all that I still found it hard to find menacing a guy who looks like a art project done on a crash-test dummy. Victor escapes back into the alternate dimension, and starts destroying the Earth remotely, something about converting mass from the Earth to energy to transform Planet Zero or something, I couldn't care anymore. The four defeat him in a fight scene that's really underwhelming save for the part where Sue and Johnny combine their powers to protect his fireballs, and the day is saved. The four return to Earth where they are questioned by the Government and basically threaten Uncle Sam into giving them their own private clubhouse. There's one last bit right before the credits where I just wanted to scream. They ask what the name of the facility should be and then get to naming themselves as a group. I facepalmed one last time because I knew what the last line would be as soon as the bit started and I was not disappointed in my predictions as they protracted the scene out for what felt like forever. As noted nobody clapped, which say what you will about it being silly or not is still a pretty big sign that in a pretty well attended film just about no one had anything nice at all to say about it on the way out or any joy to express about this film. There's probably a whole lot of other shit about this that I'm forgetting but I have to get some sleep. [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] Fuck it. I can't sleep and I'm still angry. - I wasn't kidding about the Crash Test Doomy thing. This is Victor Von Doom [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WViR3BX.png[/IMG] This is a Vehicular Crash Test Dummy head. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tCKBVGI.png[/IMG] Can you tell the difference? I sure can't. - One thing I don't think Zuimzado mentioned is that I honestly think there were maybe three scenes aside from establishing shots that actually looked like it was shot outside. We have some greenscreen out side scenes, but for the most part we go from interior of school to interior of house to interior of gymnasium to interior of dorm building to interior of lab to interior of boardroom to interior of lab to interior of other lab to interior of Pentagon to interior of other lab again to to interior of store to interior of secret hideout to interior of lab again to interior of pentagon to interior of other other secret lab. - I already mentioned this but this film made me actually appreciate the 2005 film. That film had action in it's middle (whether it be snowboarding, bmx riding, a rescue) which may have seen out of place there but at the very least made it interesting, it actually tried to address the effect that these changes would have on a person's psyche (The nervous Ben almost jumps off a bridge, the cocky Johnny goes crazy with power and fame, Reed tries to determine what has happened to them, etc.), and its final fight went on wild chase through New York as opposed to this which had it all within a 200 yard radius.

I was going to watch Fantastic Four with my friends this Sunday...so does this mean I shouldn't watch this movie and go for something else instead? Maybe Mission Impossible?

[QUOTE=jason3232;48398956]I was going to watch Fantastic Four with my friends this Sunday...so does this mean I shouldn't watch this movie and go for something else instead? Maybe Mission Impossible?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/jsDVj/6a279b5ed8.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/jsDVR/58f99a1c50.png[/IMG]

Great summary ted. It's kinda fantastic. [quote]And right away I encountered another problem, that albeit might have been me misunderstanding something. Sue and Frank Storm come up to Reed and Ben and congratulate them and admire their working teleporter. Now unless I misunderstood, they said something about it not being able to bring anything back, unlike Reed's did, but they know that the teleporter goes to a different dimension because they compare the dirt on the model airplane to a dirt sample that they got from their teleporter. So if my understanding of it was correct, how did they get a dirt sample if they couldn't bring anything back?[/quote] This one is actually explained. On the first teleportation scene with kid Reed and Ben they teleport some thingamabob and only dirt is left behind, which Reed thinks comes from a desert. [quote]sickly looking institute member whose name I couldn't be bothered to remember[/quote] [url=http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk0ODkwNjM5M15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzQ3NjgyMw@@._V1_UY317_CR7,0,214,317_AL_.jpg]Government Guy[/url]. Holy shit, I don't think he has a name on this. I mean, he probably does, but they only say it once. [quote] 4 months.[/quote] One year. [quote]One thing I don't think Zuimzado mentioned is that I honestly think there were maybe three scenes aside from establishing shots that actually looked like it was shot outside.[/quote] Holy shit, you're right. The base is clearly not outside, it looks like awful greenscreen. I don't think Ben's home is outside... shit, I only think they're outside when walking on the street at the beginning of the movie, the race car scene and the fight scene at the forest.

More like, Fantastic Snore

Imagine going back in time and telling somebody leaving Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer that the next Fantastic 4 will be even worse. They would never believe you. They think that's impossible.

[QUOTE=Dan2593;48401223]Imagine going back in time and telling somebody leaving Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer that the next Fantastic 4 will be even worse. They would never believe you. They think that's impossible.[/QUOTE] Well, there was Superman IV. I think it was within a realm of possibility to some of them that it could be even worse, like, maybe if it was a mess made from basically two different different movies directed by two different people. *cough*Which is exactly what happened here *cough*

[video=youtube;4RanMBUBvhE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RanMBUBvhE[/video] Another one

Civil War sides revealed? [url]http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/8/7/team-iron-man-team-captain-america-sides-in-civil-war-revealed[/url] Team Cap [img]http://i.imgur.com/NNVIAHL.jpg[/img] Team Iron Man [img]http://i.imgur.com/y4exd26.jpg[/img]

Does Spider Man fit in here? I know he's an essential character in the comics But still, feels a bit forced

[QUOTE=General;48402153]Does Spider Man fit in here? I know he's an essential character in the comics But still, feels a bit forced[/QUOTE] There is probably registration shit going on and "with great power comes great responsibility." It makes sense that he would think that registering is [I]the right and responsible thing to do[/I].

[URL="http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/469579-fantastic-four-off-to-a-weak-start-with-2-7-million-thursday#/slide/1"]Fant4stic 4 opened to a $2.7 million debut,[/URL] and the weekend estimates has been adjusted to $30-35 million.

That's 4 million dollars less than Ant-Man's 6 million. And Avengers made even more.

[QUOTE=Zuimzado;48402402]That's 4 million dollars less than Ant-Man's 6 million. And Avengers made even more.[/QUOTE] It's everything F4 earned [B]worldwide[/B] on its opening day. I think atleast, doesn't exactly say if it's just the US or worldwide. Either way, it's a really weak start for a bad movie. Pretty much 100% confirmed it won't even make production costs back. [editline]August 7th[/editline] [video=youtube;8ZXcwL-i_wI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZXcwL-i_wI[/video] "Best part of this movie was the Deadpool trailer"

THE FANTASTIC 4%

leaked footage of civil war [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ocYZnxy08[/media]

Already better than Garfield. He is still wearing a mask.

[QUOTE=Damjen;48402444] "Best part of this movie was the Deadpool trailer"[/QUOTE] My theater didn't even get that trailer. :frown:

Can't wait for Red Letter Media to talk about this

So, uhhh, funny thing here. Fox does not own the movie rights for Fantastic Four, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Film"]those guys[/URL] do and they have a distribution deal with Fox. Any kind of deal for the rights must go through Constantin, not Fox.

[QUOTE=Killjoy;48402691]Already better than Garfield. He is still wearing a mask.[/QUOTE] I actually felt that Garfield kept the mask on for an acceptable amount of time. Maguire's mask just kept getting ripped to the point that it might as well have not been there. [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Damjen;48403215]So, uhhh funny thing. Fox does not own the movie rights for Fantastic Four, [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Film"]those guys[/URL] do and they have a distribution deal with Fox. Any kind of deal for the rights must go through Constantin, not Fox.[/QUOTE] [quote=Wikipedia]The next film in the worldwide hit blockbuster series Fantastic Four (release date 6 August) will guarantee a summer of suspense.[/quote] Who the heck wrote this article? :v:

Im so glad that Ant Man exists. It was so refreshing to see a smaller take on the universe from Marvel. The action scenes looked incredible with those zoom ins. Really gave it a fresh view from the other Marvel action scenes. And Michael Peña. Oh my fucking god So good! The stories he tells, the way he tells them, I was dying of laughter. I want to see more of him.

[QUOTE=Starscre4M;48402129]Civil War sides revealed? [url]http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/8/7/team-iron-man-team-captain-america-sides-in-civil-war-revealed[/url] Team Cap [img]http://i.imgur.com/NNVIAHL.jpg[/img] Team Iron Man [img]http://i.imgur.com/y4exd26.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Oh man they can make a joke about spiders and ants when spider man/ant man fights. Iron man has the vision? Seems a little one sided on these teams.

I want to know what happens in the original version of F4, what was so godawful that they had to terribly reshoot everything.

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;48403369]Oh man they can make a joke about spiders and ants when spider man/ant man fights. Iron man has the vision? Seems a little one sided on these teams.[/QUOTE] Until you realise that Captain America has a guy who can shrink to subatomic size [sp]and grow gigantic[/sp]. Then there is Scarlet Witch who can fuck with people's minds and rip robots to shreds with her telekinesis (including one made of vibranium).

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