[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50366947]Someone earlier mentioned the [sp]Spiderman not knowing what Empire Strikes Back was because in a world of superheroes, Star Wars isn't that impressive - just remember in Winter Soldier it's on Cap's list of must see things[/sp][/QUOTE]
But he knew what it was? He did reference it directly after all.
Probably because it came out more than twice his lifetime ago
Such a stupid thing to complain/argue about
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1980 was 36 years ago. He's 15. It's one line that got him made fun of by his older peers. Yeesh.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50367417]Probably because it came out more than twice his lifetime ago
Such a stupid thing to complain/argue about
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1980 was 36 years ago. He's 15. It's one line that got him made fun of by his older peers. Yeesh.[/QUOTE]
1980 was 36 years ago. I'm 19. I would NEVER reference Star Wars as 'that really old movie' because it's so culturally significant, it's everywhere. You'd just say 'Remember Star Wars?'...
My point was/is it's a really clunky way of having another 'lol Peter is really young' joke. The line came off as shoe horned and shit, and it took me out of the scene tbh. Easily the worst line of dialogue in the film.
Don't know why anyone is disagreeing. There's no reason he couldn't have just said 'Star Wars', it's not a niche thing and it's something everyone can name. [I]Especially[/I] a nerdy kid.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50367417]Probably because it came out more than twice his lifetime ago
Such a stupid thing to complain/argue about
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1980 was 36 years ago. He's 15. It's one line that got him made fun of by his older peers. Yeesh.[/QUOTE]
The prequels came out when he was alive. No doubt he, like every other kid, would have saw them. And of course, you wouldn't just watch the prequels without the original trilogy - or at least know of them.
He acted as if Empire was some small time film no one would recall unless they thought about it really hard, which just isn't the case.
It was neat they mentioned Star Wars, but it was beyond poorly executed.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50367631]1980 was 36 years ago. I'm 19. I would NEVER reference Star Wars as 'that really old movie' because it's so culturally significant, it's everywhere. You'd just say 'Remember Star Wars?'...
My point was/is it's a really clunky way of having another 'lol Peter is really young' joke. The line came off as shoe horned and shit, and it took me out of the scene tbh. Easily the worst line of dialogue in the film.[/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure. I've known people in high school who've referred to movies from the '90s as old. Besides, it's meant to be a groaner of a joke. Tony and Rhodes both act like its an absurd thing to call The Empire Strikes Back as super old. The fact that people are arguing about it miss the point entirely
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;50367934]I'm not so sure. I've known people in high school who've referred to movies from the '90s as old. Besides, it's meant to be a groaner of a joke. Tony and Rhodes both act like its an absurd thing to call The Empire Strikes Back as super old. The fact that people are arguing about it miss the point entirely[/QUOTE]
I understand the line is supposed to illustrate that Peter Parker is a kid whereas Tony and Rhodey are adults. The line is shit. It is delivered awkwardly (and not the Spider-Man sort of awkward that is done well) and feels incredibly out of place. There are better ways to make the same joke.
Y'all acting like I'm ragging hard on Civil War. I'm not. I'm ragging hard on a shit piece of dialogue.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50367893]The prequels came out when he was alive. No doubt he, like every other kid, would have saw them. And of course, you wouldn't just watch the prequels without the original trilogy - or at least know of them.
He acted as if Empire was some small time film no one would recall unless they thought about it really hard, which just isn't the case.
It was neat they mentioned Star Wars, but it was beyond poorly executed.[/QUOTE]
He'd be 4 when revenge of the sith came out, dude
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Thinking about that, he'd be 5-6 when the iron man incident happened
Wonder if they'll say it kickstarted his interest in science
I thought it was just a reference to how in the comics peter parker hates star wars.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;50368119]I thought it was just a reference to how in the comics peter parker hates star wars.[/QUOTE]
Does he? Someone mentioned him having Neil degrasse Tyson esque "lol not even science" criticism but I thought it was speculation
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50368130]Does he? Someone mentioned him having Neil degrasse Tyson esque "lol not even science" criticism but I thought it was speculation[/QUOTE]
I don't know, one of my friends is really into marvel and that's what he told me after we saw civil war.
If he hates Star Wars, then it's not just an awkward piece of dialogue, it's an out of character one as well.
who gives a fuck about that line really
Comic Peter i dont think cares about star wars or anything of the sort.
But Doom is a Trekky.
[img]http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56434/1641470-2vd2vjc.jpg[/img]
If the leaked script is anywhere near legit, I think it'll be cool to see Stark transition from playboy to father-figure for Peter. They kinda played around with the idea in Iron Man 3 with the orphan kid, but I think it'll work way better with a central teenage character
I really liked Stark and Peter's dynamic in Civil War, I'd love to see more of it.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50368352]Comic Peter i dont think cares about star wars or anything of the sort.
But Doom is a Trekky.
[img]http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56434/1641470-2vd2vjc.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
there's a real sense of irony here, since dr. doom was one of many inspirations for darth vader.
ah yes Darth Vader iconic villain of star trek
[QUOTE=cricket50;50369863]ah yes Darth Vader iconic villain of star trek[/QUOTE]
From the planet Vulkan dude.
Got the Rogue Cut of Days of Future Past after seeing Apocalypse.
It's really good, I've got to wonder why that wasn't the theatrical cut, because everything made sense with it in. I always liked the sequence with Erik suiting up with his helmet, and now that it's cut with them freeing Rogue, it's even better.
DoFP and FC are still way ahead of Apocalypse, but I'd say Apocalypse was still better than the original X-men movies, just because I prefer the new cast and all the style Apocalypse has.
Not sure if I can put DoFP over FC, because pseudo-heroin junkie Prof X was great and so is Quicksilver, so if I had to rate them, they would tie I think.
I watched the pilot episode of Agents of Shield to see whether it'd be my cup of tea or not. Was on the fence the entire time, until the flying car sold me to keep watching.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50366873]No, the central point of the story was Cap finding and helping Bucky before Ironman or Black Panther capture/killed him.
The end fight [sp]had absolutely nothing to do with the Sokovia Accords, who was right or who was wrong. It was about Ironman wanting to kill Bucky because had killed his parents. Literally has nothing to do with the 'civil war', both in the comics or the rest of the film. It could have done without, easily.[/sp][/QUOTE]
No it couldn't. [sp]Tensions were already super high because of the Accords. If the two hadn't been fighting over the Accords for the whole film, if Rhodey hadn't been paralysed, if Pepper hadn't left Tony as he can't stop being Iron Man, if he wasn't feeling overwhelming guilt for every single innocent death in the last 5 years or so... then the outcome could've been different.
Tony would've been in a different emotional place. Tony wanted revenge and the Accords allowed him to do that and remain completely in the right for doing it. Everything that happened over this film led Tony to be in a position where he is desperate to make up for his own perceived sins, he's on the edge and watching Bucky murder his parents launched him over that edge[/sp]
I'm a little surprised Elba is still cast as Heimdall after that controversial interview. I wonder if he'll be cast for much after Ragnarok.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50377018]No it couldn't. [sp]Tensions were already super high because of the Accords. If the two hadn't been fighting over the Accords for the whole film, if Rhodey hadn't been paralysed, if Pepper hadn't left Tony as he can't stop being Iron Man, if he wasn't feeling overwhelming guilt for every single innocent death in the last 5 years or so... then the outcome could've been different.
Tony would've been in a different emotional place. Tony wanted revenge and the Accords allowed him to do that and remain completely in the right for doing it. Everything that happened over this film led Tony to be in a position where he is desperate to make up for his own perceived sins, he's on the edge and watching Bucky murder his parents launched him over that edge[/sp][/QUOTE]
Only two of those things [sp]had to do with the Accords, the arguments over it and Rhodey being paralyzed. Pepper leaving was before the Accords, Ironman felt guilt looong before this movie was made. Those impacted him the most, not the Accords. At best, the Accords were just a conduit to let his frustration through, not a source in of itself, which could have been replaced with anything - such as the desire for revenge on Bucky for murdering his parents.
And I think knowing that the man standing beside you had secretly murdered your parents years ago would have set anyone over the edge, especially with the preconditions of Pepper leaving and the guilt. The Accords made no impact. Maybe they set the tone for the movie to be confrontational, but that's more of a cinematic thing, not story thing.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Luxuria;50377103]I'm a little surprised Elba is still cast as Heimdall after that controversial interview. I wonder if he'll be cast for much after Ragnarok.[/QUOTE]
What interview?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50377168][sp]Maybe they set the tone for the movie to be confrontational, but that's more of a cinematic thing, not story thing.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[quote][sp]more of a cinematic thing, not story thing[/sp][/quote]
what a nonsensical distinction
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50377213]what a nonsensical distinction[/QUOTE]
It did nothing for the plot except build tension. Anything could have been used for that.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50377224]It did nothing for the plot except build tension. Anything could have been used for that.[/QUOTE]
building tension isn't a story thing? setting the tone isn't a story thing? what
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;50377174]What interview?[/QUOTE]
It's a fair ways into this (Ctrl + F reshoots to find it)
[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/11195704/Idris-Elba-interview-Marvel-movies-are-torture.html[/URL]
Considering he also spoiled some larger elements of AoU I thought there'd at least be more flak.
I don't think there's anything wrong what with he said. He went from doing MANDELA to reshoots of a minor role on Thor 2, one of (if not THE) worst MCU films. I can see how that would leave you pretty demoralized.
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