[QUOTE=Damjen;48403390]Until you realise that Captain America has a guy who can shrink to subatomic size [sp]and grow gigantic[/sp]. Then there is Scarlet Witch who can fuck with people's minds and rip robots to shreds with her telekinesis (including one made of vibranium).[/QUOTE]
Scarlet Witch is Cap's strongest one. However The Vision can become intangible so how would her powers work against that.
And falcon could see ant man when he's small pretty easy. I'm sure Iron Man could make some invention to warn him when ant man is sneaking in/stop antman.
Oh but cap has 6 and iron man has 5 people.
I wonder if that means BP will choose Iron Man's side, they're just not revealing that info yet.
[QUOTE=jason3232;48398956]I was going to watch Fantastic Four with my friends this Sunday...so does this mean I shouldn't watch this movie and go for something else instead? Maybe Mission Impossible?[/QUOTE]
you might want new friends if they were seriously considering seeing fant4stic.
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;48403465]Scarlet Witch is Cap's strongest one. However The Vision can become intangible so how would her powers work against that.
And falcon could see ant man when he's small pretty easy. I'm sure Iron Man could make some invention to warn him when ant man is sneaking in/stop antman.[/QUOTE]
They are fighting as a team, the point is to distract them while Ant-Man does his thing. Either that or he can [sp]literally stomp them as Giant Man[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zeos;48403381]I want to know what happens in the original version of F4, what was so godawful that they had to terribly reshoot everything.[/QUOTE]
For all I care the Josh Trank Director's Cut footage that was supposedly cut by the studio could be the legendary missing 6 hours of Eric von Stroheim's [I]Greed[/I] and that would not change how much the film sucks.
There is an assload of what i presume to be Fox interns trying to shill out the movie on 4chan's /co/ right now, jesus christ its cringe inducing how bad it is.
[editline]7th August 2015[/editline]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=212&v=bAVBVVCD14M[/media]
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I'd really love to have the Fantastic Four recast and appear in an Ant-Man prequel. I think that would be a great way to introduce them into the Marvel continuity without making a whole new origin story.
[QUOTE=RocketRacer;48399041][IMG]http://puu.sh/jsDVj/6a279b5ed8.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/jsDVR/58f99a1c50.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It's only a 3% difference if you really don't think about it.
[QUOTE=SpecialEffect;48405225]I'd really love to have the Fantastic Four recast and appear in an Ant-Man prequel. I think that would be a great way to introduce them into the Marvel continuity without making a whole new origin story.[/QUOTE]
I'd personally prefer the reason for them not being around to be some kind of time/reality trick or something. Like, they were doing stuff at the same time Iron Man was, but then Dr. Doom (and this would be an actual, legit comics-style Doom, not a lame re-imagining) used some cosmic device to zap the Four, himself and Latveria into another dimension/alternate reality where he lords over them and such. Nobody ever mentioning them could be due to them actually not remembering - an effect of the cube/stone/whatever's power. This effect would be broken when the Four break out and reverse whatever Doom had done, which would be extra cool if they'd built up to this scene in previous MCU movies, maybe Tony Stark can't quite remember where he got some technology used in one of his suits, but just passes it off as unimportant at the time, but when they come back, all the major MCU characters remember and acknowledge them in some way. Perhaps a flashback montage sequence of Fury trying to recruit them into the Avengers (a la phase one) but Reed being too busy with science to work for SHIELD, some Pym collaboration as well, and maybe the four accidentally created a portal to Asgard in a previous adventure? There's so much you could do with these characters if you do them right, and as a fan, I'd much rather they were a part of past MCU events, instead of the studio doing the same thing they did with Ant-Man, which only really worked because he was an extremely low profile 'superhero'.
Obviously the audience would know the real reason they never existed, but it would add another dimension to one of these 'ultimate power' macguffins. I'm a little sick of the 'infinity gems' being indescribably powerful but only really being a particular CGI effect. Maybe the whole idea is wishful thinking and cliche fan logic, but Marvel have sort of used that idea before in the comics. At the end of Fear Itself, [SP]Thor is killed, and to make it more interesting than any other comic book character death, they basically replaced him with this other guy called Tanarus, and everybody in universe (bar Loki) acted like he had always been the god of thunder.[/SP]
[URL="http://deadline.com/2015/08/fantastic-four-the-gift-shaun-the-sheep-box-office-1201495506/"]Fant4stic 4our's opening weekend estimates have been revised again,[/URL] now it's in the high $20 million range.
[QUOTE=Starscre4M;48402129]Civil War sides revealed?
[url]http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/8/7/team-iron-man-team-captain-america-sides-in-civil-war-revealed[/url]
Team Cap
[img]http://i.imgur.com/NNVIAHL.jpg[/img]
Team Iron Man
[img]http://i.imgur.com/y4exd26.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I'd like to see Rhodey fight Falcon.
Why would Vision take Stark's side?
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48408245]I'd like to see Rhodey fight Falcon.
Why would Vision take Stark's side?[/QUOTE]
Because it's his creation?
Got back from seeing Fant4stic not too long ago. On top of some of the things people have already said about the film from, the story quirks- like going into the device drunk- to the shoddy special effects, some of the things that bugged me:
-Never, or at least, very few times is there any real bonding going on between characters. Ben and Reed's relationship is only emphasized by how much they say each other's names; Sue and Johnny barely say anything worthwhile to one another- which is particularly odd considering they're 'siblings'. Even when Doom accuses Reed of thinking [Reed] is smarter than he is, it seems unwarranted because they've never really had any feuding moments. No debates or arguments outside of montage scenes. I'd imagine Victor and Reed could have had interesting ethical or technical arguments with one another, forming a friendly rivalry before Victor becomes Doom.
-On the note of Sue and Johnny: Sue is adopted, something that- to me- would warrant some kind of explanation to some degree (considering how it deviates from its source). They mention it; and that she's from Kosovo, but nothing after that. What happened to her original parents? How was she found? Why was she taken in by Dr. Storm?
-The military designs their suits to sustain their powers. I only mention this because as far as 'suspension of belief' goes, in the previous Fantastic Four movies, it made sense that their superhero outfits were the suits they wore during the accident. Here, however, the military is able to design suits that inhibit/control powers from another dimension they barely understand? How?
-The poor nods to the source. From Grimm's older brother saying "It's clobbering time" before smacking him around; to Sue calling Victor 'Dr. Doom'. They probably could have been done a bit better, but here they're just frustrating and badly added.
-The Thing sounds a lot better in the film, with a slightly deeper, more gravelly voice than in the trailers. Admittedly I did like how Doom was handled, more or less. As Victor, he's poorly fleshed out with his nihilistic/anarchistic view points towards humanity. The fact they make him also some tech-bum living in a crummy room play video games (or at least watching dev videos for Assassin's Creed Syndicate. That was weird.) Is an odd direction to take the character that, really, served no purpose. As Doom, he was introduced interestingly enough, but I feel his goal should have been more "You want my world? Here it is" bringing [i]Planet Zero's[/i] energy; therefore bringing foreign, untamed energy to Earth causing wide scale destruction.
-The whole movie feels so rushed. With such a short run time, and the pointless one-year skip; nothing really has time to settle to establish itself. There's so little reason for the audience to care about anyone that the action (that is, the singular action scene) is boring to watch because we don't care about anyone (that and, again, the shoddy special effects and zero consequences seeing as they're in the barren wastes of an alternate dimension).
Overall, the film is just bland. They tried to distinguish themselves so far from the previous two movies and from the source material that they never really became a 'Fantastic Four' movie, but something uglier instead. I'm not even sure who is to blame for it, either. It's sad because Josh Trank showed that he can do something interesting with Chronicle; so was that a fluke? Was there too much meddling from the studios? Who knows. Likewise, the actors weren't particularly bad, per se. Just boring with little to invest audiences in. It's sad because this might just be a career killer for some of these fairly unknown actors/actress or for Josh Trank.
I really wanna see [sp]Thor clone fuck shit up[/sp]
First of all why did you go see it after both of us telling you not to?
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;48408357]
-On the note of Sue and Johnny: Sue is adopted, something that- to me- would warrant some kind of explanation to some degree (considering how it deviates from its source). They mention it; and that she's from Kosovo, but nothing after that. What happened to her original parents? How was she found? Why was she taken in by Dr. Storm?
[/QUOTE]
Considering her age and birthplace I think I have a pretty good idea how Sue became an orphan. But again that's a wasted opportunity for some character development. They could have had something in the film about how that's the real reason that she doesn't want Johnny to be used as a weapon. Maybe her family or blood brother got killed in the Yugoslav Wars and doesn't want it to happen again.
And speaking of the relationship between Sue and Johnny that's another missed great opportunity that they wasted. The Fantastic Four always function best as a family unit, so they could have used a better established Brother-Sister Relationship between Johnny and Sue as some metaphor on how families are not strictly blood related.
why even go and see F4? there is literally no reason to see it not even as a joke, you are just funding the sequel
[QUOTE=teddthebucfan;48408499]First of all why did you go see it after both of us telling you not to?
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I'm big on objectivity and benefit of the doubt. 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' as they say. When it comes to movies, I'd rather see it for myself and pick it apart rather than take someone's word for it. Even if it is unanimously bad. Sometimes, it gets my own imagination going; determining what could have been based on what it was. Sometimes, I'm just THAT bored that I'd watch a bad movie.
[QUOTE=cricket50;48408533]why even go and see F4? there is literally no reason to see it not even as a joke, you are just funding the sequel[/QUOTE]True and I assume the crew and Post+VFX people were all paid already.
[editline]9th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Joz;48408313]Because it's his creation?[/QUOTE]Yeah... , but he picked up Thor's hammer and he's on the side of a guy who used to be an arms dealer and accidentally created Ultron. Iron man is my favorite Avenger, but he doesn't seem like someone The Vision would follow.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48408630]True and I assume the crew and Post+VFX people were all paid already.[/QUOTE]
I always thought that was part of the budget.
[QUOTE=insane taco;48408663]I always thought that was part of the budget.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but sometimes they fuck you over with a deferral agreement.
Got back from seeing Antman last night, loved it. I can see where people said it dragged a little in the middle, but everything else was pretty terrific. A child in the theatre cried [sp]when Cross zapped the lamb[/sp]. I'm not too clued up on Ant-Man, but who is[sp] Hope scheduled to become? I know there've been several Ant-Men, but was there ever another wasp after Janet? Thought I spotted a wing or something in Scott's visor when he went Quantum as well, at least I think I did. Reach out Scott![/sp]
The villain seemed a little flat, we never really saw him before we were told he was insane and crazy so he was just an almost comedic bad-guy. I loved how the film played with scale as well, [sp]blowing up a Tank ,Thomas and an Ant were hilarious[/sp]. Bit disappointed there wasn't Giant-Man at any point, but the aforementioned things more than made up for it.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;48408869]Got back from seeing Antman last night, loved it. I can see where people said it dragged a little in the middle, but everything else was pretty terrific. A child in the theatre cried [sp]when Cross zapped the lamb[/sp]. I'm not too clued up on Ant-Man, but who is[sp] Hope scheduled to become? I know there've been several Ant-Men, but was there ever another wasp after Janet? Thought I spotted a wing or something in Scott's visor when he went Quantum as well, at least I think I did. Reach out Scott![/sp]
The villain seemed a little flat, we never really saw him before we were told he was insane and crazy so he was just an almost comedic bad-guy. I loved how the film played with scale as well, [sp]blowing up a Tank ,Thomas and an Ant were hilarious[/sp]. Bit disappointed there wasn't Giant-Man at any point, but the aforementioned things more than made up for it.[/QUOTE]
the post credit scene showed [sp]hope seeing a wasp suit[/sp]
I saw an idea that could totally work if Marvel gets the rights back to the FF.
We start in the movie in the 60's, and the FF are getting ready to launch. They go to space/alternate dimension/whatever and land back on Earth, all powered up. When they wake up, they realize they're not in the US anymore... because they just went forward in time. To the 2010's. Right after the cynicism against superheroes that's probably gonna reign after Civil War.
[editline]8th August 2015[/editline]
Heck, maybe they could be the 'Avengers' of Phase 4.
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;48410330]I saw an idea that could totally work if Marvel gets the rights back to the FF.
We start in the movie in the 60's, and the FF are getting ready to launch. They go to space/alternate dimension/whatever and land back on Earth, all powered up. When they wake up, they realize they're not in the US anymore... because they just went forward in time. To the 2010's. Right after the cynicism against superheroes that's probably gonna reign after Civil War.
[editline]8th August 2015[/editline]
Heck, maybe they could be the 'Avengers' of Phase 4.[/QUOTE]
and the recent FF4 movie was the nightmare they woke up from
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;48410330]I saw an idea that could totally work if Marvel gets the rights back to the FF.
We start in the movie in the 60's, and the FF are getting ready to launch. They go to space/alternate dimension/whatever and land back on Earth, all powered up. When they wake up, they realize they're not in the US anymore... because they just went forward in time. To the 2010's. Right after the cynicism against superheroes that's probably gonna reign after Civil War.
[editline]8th August 2015[/editline]
Heck, maybe they could be the 'Avengers' of Phase 4.[/QUOTE]
lmao that's actually genius
Wow this is actually kinda sad.
[url]https://twitter.com/ThoseNerds/status/630086357881368576[/url]
[QUOTE=Panda Jerk;48410663]Wow this is actually kinda sad.
[url]https://twitter.com/ThoseNerds/status/630086357881368576[/url][/QUOTE]
SELL. SELL. SELL.
SELL.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;48410150]the post credit scene showed [sp]hope seeing a wasp suit[/sp][/QUOTE]
I saw it, but I wasn't sure if she was just set to become [sp]Wasp[/sp] or a spinoff hero of sorts.
I feel like the Fantastic 4 would work REALLY well as a period drama set in the 60s/70s. If anyone has read "Marvels" something like that, where the team ages and matures in real time would be great.
[editline]8th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;48410330]I saw an idea that could totally work if Marvel gets the rights back to the FF.
We start in the movie in the 60's, and the FF are getting ready to launch. They go to space/alternate dimension/whatever and land back on Earth, all powered up. When they wake up, they realize they're not in the US anymore... because they just went forward in time. To the 2010's. Right after the cynicism against superheroes that's probably gonna reign after Civil War.
[editline]8th August 2015[/editline]
Heck, maybe they could be the 'Avengers' of Phase 4.[/QUOTE]
Well... Except they already did the whole "old timey superhero wakes up in modern times" thing with Captain America.
[url]http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/469783-fantastic-four-flops-with-11-3-million-on-friday#/slide/1[/url]
"it’s reportedly grossed just $11.3 million on its first Friday. That’s the lowest opening day for a superhero movie since 2012’s Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, which grossed $6.9 million its opening day and is the lowest opening day for any Fox superhero movie including 2003’s Daredevil starring Ben Affleck, which opened with $15.3 million in its first day on its way to a weak $102 million domestic."
let it burnnnn
Ok, the movie stinks but I gotta say this is kind of neat.
[video]https://youtu.be/o3usKUcFVeY[/video]
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