[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50911889]If it were a book, perhaps. But these are comics. You see the character as much as you read about them.[/QUOTE]
Even then book readers get up in arms about the color of a cat so, yknow
It's even more legitimate when they've literally been visually depicted for like 50 years
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50911640][t]http://redcarpetrefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Screen-Shot-2016-04-17-at-11.26.39-PM.png[/t][t]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/02/25/movies/video-the-grand-budapest-hotel-tony-revolori-on-his-character/video-the-grand-budapest-hotel-tony-revolori-on-his-character-videoSixteenByNine1050.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I'm supposed to believe this kid is a bully jock and eventually becomes Venom. ok
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;50911879]Uh yes it is[/QUOTE]
Enlighten me
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
If you read about Flash Thompson's traits and personality and decide he should be athletic, handsome and intimidating in his own way, you're being reasonable and logical
If you read about Mary Jane's traits and personality, and decide anything but a white redhead would not capture the essence of the character, you're out of your fucking mind
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50911883]jesus christ
you legitimately just reduced Peter's wife, his children's mother, an actress, as well as one of the most important supporting characters to Parker's sublife to a fucking object
One of the few original strong female supporting characters to "just a pretty face"
"Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot!" is also one of the most famous quotes in Spider-man history
also she's Iron Spider right now
MJ is pretty important to Spider-man specific stories and to say "who cares" about her shows a lack of caring about Spider-man at all.
How do you even be all "yeah ok I'll give you the high school bully, but his gf of 20 years thats involved in everything peter does??? not important". Have you even picked up Spider-man?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50911887]According to you the character isn't important at all so opinion discarded[/QUOTE]
I was specifically talking about appearance. You're as oblivious as you've always been
I honestly don't give a fuck about the colour of a character's hair. What is actually the problem?
It would be nice if all the characters looked like the comic book counterparts but it honestly doesn't matter. How they behave and the role they play in the story is the important bit.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50911987]Enlighten me
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
If you read about Flash Thompson's traits and personality and decide he should be athletic, handsome and intimidating in his own way, you're being reasonable and logical
If you read about Mary Jane's traits and personality, and decide anything but a white redhead would not capture the essence of the character, you're out of your fucking mind
[/QUOTE]
Ah yes. The look of the character who, if you asked any single person who's ever heard of Spider-Man ever who Mary Jane is, would reply with "Spider-Mans Red-Haired Girlfriend", who's physical appearance is actually important to her character because she's [url=http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkfcynFhxW1qzlrs5o1_500.jpg][i]literally[/url] [url=http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/15776/1407813-mj.jpg]a[/url] [url=http://media.tumblr.com/5e78c6163fa95bbaa891dc9aded4673d/tumblr_inline_mvgk45F07d1s16be1.jpg]supermodel[/url] designed by [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Romita_Sr.]a romance comic artist[/url][/i], has nothing to do with her character. Good one there.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50912110]I honestly don't give a fuck about the colour of a character's hair. What is actually the problem?
It would be nice if all the characters looked like the comic book counterparts but it honestly doesn't matter. How they behave and the role they play in the story is the important bit.[/QUOTE]
"The appearance of characters who originated from a purely visual medium that relies entirely on visual storytelling and character design is completely irrelevant"
You guys do realize hair-dye and wigs a thing, right?
Like, if her hair color is [I]that[/I] big of a deal, Zendaya could still have red hair.
She'd still qualify entirely for everything else about Mary Jane that's important, I'm pretty sure.
[QUOTE=Rats808;50912131]You guys do realize hair-dye and wigs a thing, right?
Like, if her hair color is [I]that[/I] big of a deal, Zendaya could still have red hair.
She'd still qualify entirely for everything else about Mary Jane that's important, I'm pretty sure.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but then the color would be fake, in universe and out. That detracts from how striking its supposed to be.
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Taking away Mary Janes hair is like taking away Batmans utility belt. Would you take away Batmans utility belt?
[t]http://rockinboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Wolverine-Origins-Deadpool-Cameo.jpg[/t]
We're ok with this right? Removing nearly all identifying iconic characteristics so you only recognize them when the movie tells you who they are?
Plus they were supposedly going to make this girl an original character named Michelle Gonzalez. I guess someone at Sony wanted to get back on the pointless swapping train, instead of making an actual character to add to the mythos and yknow, ACTUALLY be progressive
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50912145]Yeah but then the color would be fake, in universe and out. That detracts from how striking its supposed to be.
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Taking away Mary Janes hair is like taking away Batmans utility belt. Would you take away Batmans utility belt?[/QUOTE]
uhhhh that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard - come back when mary janes red hair holds a fuckin grapple gun or whatever
Seriously her having red hair and being white is completely irrelevant. Her character is not detracted from by being black in any way
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50912187][t]http://rockinboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Wolverine-Origins-Deadpool-Cameo.jpg[/t]
We're ok with this right? Removing nearly all identifying iconic characteristics so you only recognize them when the movie tells you who they are?
Plus they were supposedly going to make this girl an original character named Michelle Gonzalez. I guess someone at Sony wanted to get back on the pointless swapping train, instead of making an actual character to add to the mythos and yknow, ACTUALLY be progressive[/QUOTE]
non starter, the big problem with that deadpool character was that the [I]character[/I] was wrong - silent and evil and grim as hell and not at all like the deadpool character that people know from the comics
the way he looked was not the major problem with that
[QUOTE=killerteacup;50912193]uhhhh that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard - come back when mary janes red hair holds a fuckin grapple gun or whatever[/QUOTE]
No its fine he can just hold them.
He can put pouches on his legs or on chest straps. He can have a bandolier, why does he need a belt?
[QUOTE=killerteacup;50912193]Seriously her having red hair and being white is completely irrelevant. Her character is not detracted from by being black in any way[/QUOTE]
"The appearance of characters who originated from a purely visual medium that relies entirely on visual storytelling and character design is completely irrelevant"
"The appearance of the LITERAL SUPERMODEL WHO'S JOB IS BEING A SUPERMODEL is irrelevant to the character"
[QUOTE=killerteacup;50912193]non starter, the big problem with that deadpool character was that the [I]character[/I] was wrong - silent and evil and grim as hell and not at all like the deadpool character that people know from the comics
the way he looked was not the major problem with that[/QUOTE]
LMAO now thats just fuckin absurd right there.
So if Spider-Man was just Peter in a grey and green hoodie in brown pants and a tan t-shirt running around that'd be totally fine? Bruh.
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Okay how about this.
Falcons race has nothing to do with his character. Is it okay to make him white?
Her entire design was based off her being green eyed and red haired
she's supposed to look just like Ann Margret, that was literally the fucking concept
[quote]Peter David wrote in 2010 that artist John Romita, Sr. "made the definitive statement of his arrival by pulling Mary Jane out from behind the oversized potted plant [that blocked the readers' view of her face in issue #25] and placing her on panel in what would instantly become an iconic moment."[2] Romita has stated that in designing Mary Jane, he "used Ann-Margret from the movie Bye Bye Birdie as a guide, using her coloring, the shape of her face, her red hair and her form-fitting short skirts."[3][/quote]
Also like Aaron keeps saying the color and design choices in comic book art are intentional*, it's meant to make it easy to tell who's who just by seeing them. They're [b]icons[/b]. You can tell a lot of comic characters with colors and basic shapes, minimalist art of comic characters demonstrates it.
Mary Jane is [i]the[/i] redhead.
You keep asking "why not" when the real question is "why"
There's literally no reason for changing these things dude. Especially when they apparently had already written her in as an [b]actually fitting character[/b].
*save for the old printers/cuts that caused things like yellow daredevil, but those days are long past
Edit:
The girl literally has nothing in common with Mary Jane, eye color, hair color, facial features etc, and her only acting experience is god awful disney tv movies.
What's the justification for this lol
Just because a character doesn't have a superhero costume doesn't mean they don't have identifying looks, essentially.
To have Mary Jane's hair not be red is akin to making Ironman just all yellow or Superman solid blue, cape and all. Sure, it would be the same "personality", but the character would not be complete or the same.
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Rather convenient Screen Rant made this video around this time
[video=youtube;Wzjj8hVi5kE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzjj8hVi5kE[/video]
Literally they could've made this girl be White Tyger or Elizabeth Allen or MICHELE GONZELAZ (who she was originally cast as)
this might be a rumor, so she might still be michele gonzelaz but it'd be dumb af if she was MJ.
Peter Parker is the nerdiest pimp there ever was
She doesn't have to be MJ.
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Remember when Galactus was a fucking gas cloud
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Also Wolverine I don't think counts because they kinda nailed Logan and just ditched the costume, which I'm fairly certain has happened in comics prior to the films, although I would've loooooved to see that OG costume done like Deadpool's new movie did OG costumes
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50912257]
To have Mary Jane's hair not be red is akin to making Ironman just all yellow.[/QUOTE]
Funny example, at one point he WAS all gold and they even make a joke about it being ostentatious in the first movie, followed by him deciding on the traditional color scheme.
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50912263]
Also Wolverine I don't think counts because they kinda nailed Logan and just ditched the costume, which I'm fairly certain has happened in comics prior to the films, although I would've loooooved to see that OG costume done like Deadpool's new movie did OG costumes[/QUOTE]
Wolverine is one of the few superheroes who works outside of his costume because he fits the outlaw cowboy style as well.
That and fucking hair is literally styled to resemble his superhero mask so even in that one specific case its still directly tied to his costume.
I think it works for Wolverine mostly because everyone thinks Hugh Jackman is sexy and they don't really care about the character's appearance as much as seeing Jackman's abs.
Im not attracted to Jackman I just swear I've seen Logan operate without a costume before. That's not to say I don't love the OG costume
Xmen Origins Wolverine's game classic skin and MUA2 are pretty good examples of how they can make it look good in a realistic space
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50912305]Im not attracted to Jackman I just swear I've seen Logan operate without a costume before. That's not to say I don't love the OG costume
Xmen Origins Wolverine's game classic skin and MUA2 are pretty good examples of how they can make it look good in a realistic space[/QUOTE]
If Wolverine ever gets his costume in the movies it better fucking be his brown costume.
[t]http://www.uncannyxmen.net/sites/default/files/images/characters/wolverine/wolv-bigcostume5.jpg[/t]
That shit? That shit right there?
Thats the shit.
I personally prefer the yellow blue tbh
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Its gonna be funny/sad if we only see the classic outfit in its X-Force version if they do it after Cable shows up in Dpool2
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50912319]I personally prefer the yellow blue tbh
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Its gonna be funny/sad if we only see the classic outfit in its X-Force version if they do it after Cable shows up in Dpool2[/QUOTE]
They probably will because of the previous X-Men films using black costumes.
Might not because he might resemble Batman though.
I want him to keep the red belt in any event.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50911640]
Goes well with the new Flash Thompson
[t]http://redcarpetrefs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Screen-Shot-2016-04-17-at-11.26.39-PM.png[/t][t]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/02/25/movies/video-the-grand-budapest-hotel-tony-revolori-on-his-character/video-the-grand-budapest-hotel-tony-revolori-on-his-character-videoSixteenByNine1050.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Okay, I'm sure he's a nice guy, he's a chill dude but this kid can't bully his cat, let alone Peter Parker.
How do you go from this guy:
[img]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spiderman-films/images/8/86/2002_Flash_Thompson.png/revision/latest?cb=20130105052931[/img]
To this guy:
[img]https://whateveraspidercan.com/files/2014/08/Flash..jpg[/img]
To this twerp?
maybe he'll dox peter or something and be an edgy sociopath cyberbully/harasser instead
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
did that fantastic four script with doom being in anonymous actually make it to cut
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50912425][B]maybe he'll dox peter or something and be an edgy sociopath cyberbully/harasser instead[/B]
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
did that fantastic four script with doom being in anonymous actually make it to cut[/QUOTE]
You just fucking know if DC was making it they'd do this
God was Lex the fucking worst
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50912442]You just fucking know if DC was making it they'd do this
God was Lex the fucking worst[/QUOTE]
At least Lex ended up bald in the end.
Even in the bald scenes eisenberg was baaaaad
THE BELL CABT BE UNRUNGH
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50912505]Even in the bald scenes eisenberg was baaaaad
THE BELL CABT BE UNRUNGH[/QUOTE]
At least his autism was entertainingly bad.
[b]BOYS!
*click snap*
[i][highlight]MMMM![/highlight][/i][/b]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50912119]Ah yes. The look of the character who, if you asked any single person who's ever heard of Spider-Man ever who Mary Jane is, would reply with "Spider-Mans Red-Haired Girlfriend", who's physical appearance is actually important to her character because she's [url=http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkfcynFhxW1qzlrs5o1_500.jpg][i]literally[/url] [url=http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/15776/1407813-mj.jpg]a[/url] [url=http://media.tumblr.com/5e78c6163fa95bbaa891dc9aded4673d/tumblr_inline_mvgk45F07d1s16be1.jpg]supermodel[/url] designed by [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Romita_Sr.]a romance comic artist[/url][/i], has nothing to do with her character. Good one there.[/QUOTE]
"If someone was to describe Mary Jane's appearance, they would describe Mary Jane's appearance"
Thank you Aaron, your utterly pointless input is duly noted
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50912207]"The appearance of characters who originated from a purely visual medium that relies entirely on visual storytelling and character design is completely irrelevant"
"The appearance of the LITERAL SUPERMODEL WHO'S JOB IS BEING A SUPERMODEL is irrelevant to the character"[/QUOTE]
I didn't say appearance didn't matter, I said red hair didn't matter
Every model is a redhead now, apparently
You and VenomousBeetle are arguing against opinions I don't actually hold
Why don't both of you tone down the pedantic fanboyism for a second, and try to read what I'm posting?
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
I mean look at this[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50912187][t]http://rockinboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Wolverine-Origins-Deadpool-Cameo.jpg[/t]
We're ok with this right? Removing nearly all identifying iconic characteristics so you only recognize them when the movie tells you who they are?
Plus they were supposedly going to make this girl an original character named Michelle Gonzalez. I guess someone at Sony wanted to get back on the pointless swapping train, instead of making an actual character to add to the mythos and yknow, ACTUALLY be progressive[/QUOTE]
You have no fucking clue what I'm talking about if what you took from my posts is that I liked Origins Deadpool
To be pedantic for a moment, my problem with Jackman as Wolverine, or rather, as Logan, is that he's taller than Cyclops. C'mon guys, can't you Hobbit that shit or something? 5'3'' and hunched over like a caveman, that's where it's at!
What was done to Deadpool is nothing like what was done to Mary Jane. That didn't even vaguely look or act like the character.
Yes Jackman does not look/act/play a role similar to comic-book Wolverine. It's not ideal. But casting a sexy man as a short ugly hairy bloke is not comparable to this, where they've cast an attractive young woman as an attractive young woman. For all we know she's a perfectly written Mary Jane, so I can't see the problem.
Heck for all we know she's not Mary Jane, it's no more official than the people that said she was Liz Allen. Might be a completely new fresh character.
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Fucking Dark Knight Joker looks nothing like Comic Joker. I remember the shit storm when his first images came out.
We had a Green Goblin which looked nothing like Green Goblin that people love. We had a Sandman that looks identical to the comic which nobody cared for.
It doesn't matter. Nobody is going to see a comic-book movie for a shot-for-shot remake of a comic. Otherwise wouldn't we prefer an animated film? It's the story and characters. Otherwise you wouldn't read the comics at all and just stick to the officially branded colouring books.
Some physical traits reflect or enhance a character's personality traits. Some don't. That's not a movie, television or comic book convention, it's a basic rule of writing.
Flash is the popular high school jock, of course it's important for him to be fit and good-looking. The two aspects of the character are intertwined in such a way that someone like Tony Revolori just doesn't convince. On the other hand, his hair and skin color aren't integral. That's not what makes Revolori a bad pick, it's the fact that he looks like a total dweeb
Same thing with Mary Jane. The only aspects of her physique that play into her character are the fact that she's young and attractive. Her hair color is irrelevant. Her eye color is irrelevant. Her skin color is irrelevant. Had they picked a 40 year old, overweight actress to play the role, then you'd have a point in complaining. But they didn't, they picked someone with all the relevant traits to the character she's portraying.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50913903]"If someone was to describe Mary Jane's appearance, they would describe Mary Jane's appearance"
Thank you Aaron, your utterly pointless input is duly noted[/QUOTE]
Good reading comprehension, i said if you asked someone WHO Mary Jane is, they'd say "Spider-Mans red haired girlfriend", because its an important part of her iconography.
Glad to see you cant be bothered to read what i write.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50913903]I didn't say appearance didn't matter, I said red hair didn't matter
Every model is a redhead now, apparently[/QUOTE]
If appearance matters, then why doesnt Mary Janes red hair matter? Its like taking away The Punishers skull logo or giving Iron Man a nose on his mask.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50913903]You and VenomousBeetle are arguing against opinions I don't actually hold
Why don't both of you tone down the pedantic fanboyism for a second, and try to read what I'm posting?[/QUOTE]
We'd stop arguing against this opinion you "dont actually hold" if you'd stop arguing this opinion you dont hold.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50913989]
Yes Jackman does not look/act/play a role similar to comic-book Wolverine. It's not ideal. But casting a sexy man as a short ugly hairy bloke is not comparable to this, where they've cast an attractive young woman as an attractive young woman. For all we know she's a perfectly written Mary Jane, so I can't see the problem. [/QUOTE]
Except he still looks like Wolverine. He has the hair, he has muttonchops, he's still built to fuck, he still wears leather jackets, plaid, and blue jeans in his civilian attire.
They didnt change his appearance, they modified it. He's still RECOGNIZABLY Wolverine.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50913989]Heck for all we know she's not Mary Jane, it's no more official than the people that said she was Liz Allen. Might be a completely new fresh character. [/QUOTE]
Hopefully yeah.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50913989]Fucking Dark Knight Joker looks nothing like Comic Joker. I remember the shit storm when his first images came out.[/QUOTE]
Except he still has a white face, green hair, and a red smile. He still wears purple and green suits, he still resembles the Joker, they just modified his appearance.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50913989]We had a Green Goblin which looked nothing like Green Goblin that people love. We had a Sandman that looks identical to the comic which nobody cared for.[/QUOTE]
They did change him a lot, yes, but he still has goblin-themed iconography with gold eyes, he's green in color, he uses a glider (with purple coloring on it), and his armor has a purple tint to it.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50913989]It doesn't matter. Nobody is going to see a comic-book movie for a shot-for-shot remake of a comic. Otherwise wouldn't we prefer an animated film? It's the story and characters. Otherwise you wouldn't read the comics at all and just stick to the officially branded colouring books.[/QUOTE]
Thats not the problem, this hypothetical problem would be that they made no effort to even look like the character.
Zendaya on set has frizzy brown hair and (i think) a purple streak somewhere in the back. She looks nothing like Mary Jane if she was cast as Mary Jane.
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