[QUOTE=27X;50916401]If Flash becomes Venom instead of Eddie, that's not really minor since Sony expect him to carry a trilogy of his own.[/QUOTE]
Fair, but I could totally see them introducing Eddie down the line as being around Peter's age.
Spectacular Spider-Man deviated from the norm with his origin, but it also resulted in arguably the best Venom ever.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqwXbkjR80[/media]
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50916436]
I'd love to see a take on the Venom: Lethal Protector concept[/QUOTE]
This was supposed to happen after SM3, but it was so shit that they didn't go through with it.
Honestly deserves another chance, especially if they can find a good Eddie that can pull off the muscly douche/lunatic junkie/conflicted Christian dynamic.
Spectacular seems pretty similar to Ultimate Eddie's origins
[url]http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/759527-avengers-guardians-of-the-galaxy#/slide/1[/url]
Vin Diesel has apparently confirmed that the Guardians of the Galaxy will appear in the Infinity War movie(s?). I already assumed they would be but I guess now it's official.
Hope he's not pulling a meme like he did with iron giant 2
Iirc last confirmation we had was Bautista's WWE contract mentioned it or something
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Back when GotG was fresh
hey
kirsten dunst is naturally blonde but y'all didn't give a shit about that
hair dye exists
stop being fucking idiots
thanks
Kirsten Dunst actually looks like Mary Jane and was a real successful actress though?
Also that movie is older than facepunch so no shit no one here complained
I was like 6 too
That was my first Spider-man and it was beautiful
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;50916852]hey
kirsten dunst is naturally blonde but y'all didn't give a shit about that
hair dye exists
stop being fucking idiots
thanks[/QUOTE]
Kirsten Dunst the white woman who actually did wear a wig/dye her hair for the role (and as such in the context of the universe its believable it'd be her natural hair color).
Vs. Zendaya the blackish (?) girl who on set has frizzy brown hair with a purple streak in it.
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Like
[t]http://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/zendaya-filming/spider-man-homecoming-in-atlanta/Zendaya:-Filming-Spider-Man-Homecoming--02-300x420.jpg[/t]
vs.
[t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a0/71/0b/a0710bb4c4cc0b248598cba08264b2f4.jpg[/t]
As:
[t]http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/spider-man-mary-jane.jpg[/t]
Like theres a bit more going on than JUST hair color my man.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;50916852]hey
kirsten dunst is naturally blonde but y'all didn't give a shit about that
hair dye exists
stop being fucking idiots
thanks[/QUOTE]
red hair on darker skin really doesn't look that great
sounds forced as fuck, rather just have her natural color
Why is it even a big deal if she plays Michele like announced or not? Why do you want her to be recast as an unfitting character?
I dont really get why wanting a character to look like the character they're supposed to be is suddenly a bad thing.
Especially when the actor was already cast as one she looks like
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50916911]I dont really get why wanting a character to look like the character they're supposed to be is suddenly a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
It's not a bad thing
Not caring if they deviate in minor and insingnificant ways from the source material is also not a bad thing
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50916921]It's not a bad thing[/QUOTE]
Uh-huh.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50916921]Not caring if they deviate in minor and insingnificant ways from the source material is also not a bad thing[/QUOTE]
Michael Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin is deviating in a minor and insignificant way.
Zendaya playing red-headed bombshell supermodel Mary Jane Watson is not "minor" or "insignificant" of a change from the source material.
You still havent answered my question from earlier btw, would it be fine to make Falcon white since his race has nothing to do with his character? Or give Thor pink or green hair?
Hey a black guy was cast as Luke cage, can we switch him to iron fist instead?
Same shit as asking Michele's actress to be MJ instead
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
When miles morales is cast be sure to shit your diapers that he's not being switched to Peter Parker
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50916924]Uh-huh.
Michael Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin is deviating in a minor and insignificant way.
Zendaya playing red-headed bombshell supermodel Mary Jane Watson is not "minor" or "insignificant" of a change from the source material.
You still havent answered my question from earlier btw, would it be fine to make Falcon white since his race has nothing to do with his character? Or give Thor pink or green hair?[/QUOTE]
I can't say much for Falcon, since I haven't read anything he's in other than Civil War. But from what I know, his race doesn't define the character. So no, I don't see anything wrong with Falcon being white.
And Thor with pink hair is obviously too comical. It's a much more outrageous change than skin color. The only way I could see that working seriously is maybe in some weird reiteration where he's more alien than god, like that one Namor comic where he terrorizes an underwater base
the fact that aaron thinks that "black actress plays character traditionally portrayed as being white" is equivalent to "character's hair arbitrarily changed to bright green" says it all really
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;50916958]the fact that aaron thinks that "black actress plays character traditionally portrayed as being white" is equivalent to "character's hair arbitrarily changed to bright green" says it all really[/QUOTE]
So close to self awareness
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;50916958]the fact that aaron thinks that "black actress plays character traditionally portrayed as being white" is equivalent to "character's hair arbitrarily changed to bright green" says it all really[/QUOTE]
And what does that say exactly?
"Traditionally portrayed"
More like always? Also this is more arbitrary and noticeable than hair?
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Like shit dude you guys just went on about how hair dye exists and hair color doesn't define anyone so what's with this sudden 180
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Also pretending that making Michele's actress be MJ instead for no reason isn't arbitrary, priceless
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
I can't believe you guys trying to argue in favor of theoretical recasting just to race swap for funsies have stretched this out to nearly 24 hours
This is a prank right
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50916963]So close to self awareness[/QUOTE]
oh please do enlighten me my dude
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50916967]"Traditionally portrayed"
More like always? Also this is more arbitrary and noticeable than hair?
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Like shit dude you just went on about how hair dye exists and hair color doesn't define anyone so what's with this sudden 180[/QUOTE]
because originally I was trying to give you an [B]out[/B], jesus [I]christ[/I]. If you honestly think that a persons natural hair colour is the one thing that dictates whether someone can play a certain character or not, then maybe you need to sort yourself the hell out, because to everyone else it just sounds like you're doing everything you can to say "a black person can't play this character" without outright saying "a black person can't play this character".
like, literally the only argument you're putting forward is that "she's always been portrayed as having red hair!" okay cool, so you realise that until a certain point these characters had also only ever been portrayed as being drawn on paper, right? yeah, that's not an argument. "i care about her looking the way she looks in the comics!" cool man, i care about her being a good character in a good film. "oh but you can't tell if she'll be good in the film!" yeah no shit, but i'm willing to give zendaya a chance, rather than dismissing her outright because her hair isn't red.
Okay skipping the strawman, you still haven't explained why you're arguing in defense for a rumor for her to be RECAST from MICHELE GONZALEZ, a character that fits her, the one she's been billed as for months, to MARY JANE, a character she has 0 likeness to at all.
The self awareness is that you called changing thor's hair arbitrary when THIS concept is as arbitrary as it gets
Also it's not just comics lol Mary Jane has been red as a defining trait and name in every medium, even when it's an alt universe. Your paper to film point is so ridiculously flimsy and contrived.
Edit:
Also, giving me an out? Thread had already moved on when you started flaming
Edit:
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50916950]I can't say much for Falcon, since I haven't read anything he's in other than Civil War. But from what I know, his race doesn't define the character. So no, I don't see anything wrong with Falcon being white.[/QUOTE]
You have a pretty hilariously skewed view on what defines what though, you think that the [i]Mandarin[/i] is just dandy being white and got pissy when I pointed out they didn't actually go through with that, because it would be stupid and Killian was a different character
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;50917023]because originally I was trying to give you an [B]out[/B], jesus [I]christ[/I]. If you honestly think that a persons natural hair colour is the one thing that dictates whether someone can play a certain character or not, then maybe you need to sort yourself the hell out, because to everyone else it just sounds like you're doing everything you can to say "a black person can't play this character" without outright saying "a black person can't play this character".[/QUOTE]
You know what? Fuck it, black/minority actors shouldnt play white characters in these kinds of adaptions. You know why? Because it undermines and adds to the fact that theres a catalog of minority heroes and villains and side characters in Marvels mythos that might never get their chance to shine if you just keep changing white characters.
Imagine if Tony Stark was black, and they never bothered with War Machine.
Instead of Luke Cage getting his own TV show, they just made Daredevil black.
Instead of making Shang Chi a character in anything, Iron Fist is now an asian dude.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;50917023]like, literally the only argument you're putting forward is that "she's always been portrayed as having red hair!" okay cool, so you realise that until a certain point these characters had also only ever been portrayed as being drawn on paper, right? yeah, that's not an argument. "i care about her looking the way she looks in the comics!" cool man, i care about her being a good character in a good film. "oh but you can't tell if she'll be good in the film!" yeah no shit, but i'm willing to give zendaya a chance, rather than dismissing her outright because her hair isn't red.[/QUOTE]
We're criticizing this rumor because Mary Jane Watson is a comic book character who's had a consistent appearance for about 40 or so years thats been adapted into movies, cartoons, and games with little if any changes whatsoever.
And, again:
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50916965][QUOTE=evlbzltyr;50916958]the fact that aaron thinks that "black actress plays character traditionally portrayed as being white" is equivalent to "character's hair arbitrarily changed to bright green" says it all really[/QUOTE]
And what does that say exactly?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50917049]MARY JANE, a character she has 0 likeness to at all.[/QUOTE]
They're both attractive, young, model types. It fits the character. Why is deviation bad? Seriously, can you give me one, just [I]one[/I] reason not to change it that isn't "well that's how it was in the comics"?
[editline]20th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50917049]You have a pretty hilariously skewed view on what defines what though, you think that the [i]Mandarin[/i] is just dandy being white and got pissy when I pointed out they didn't actually go through with that, because it would be stupid and Killian was a different character[/QUOTE]
You completely misrepresented everything in that thread just like you're doing now
You're the kind of guy who hears Shane Black sarcastically saying the 'real' Mandarin has always been there and [I]thinks he's actually being serious[/I]
You're the one that has to give a reason lol, you're the one arguing for action to be done
Why does Michele need to be snubbed and her actress be switched over to MJ?
Why would you demean a minority character's exposure by deleting her and making her be the white one instead?
Even Stan Lee himself disagrees with that kind of shit.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50917212]You're the one that has to give a reason lol, you're the one arguing for action to be done
Why does Michele need to be snubbed and her actress be switched over to MJ?
Why would you demean a minority character's exposure by deleting her and making her be the white one instead?
Even Stan Les himself disagrees with that kind of shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm not asking for action to be done, though
I'm not walking around presenting the idea. The idea was presented to me, and I said I was ok with it.
And what's wrong with less exposure for minority characters? If the idea is representation, aren't we getting the same amount of it? Is there not a stronger statement to be made in showing that skin color does not define who a person can or cannot be?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50917181]They're both attractive, young, model types. It fits the character. Why is deviation bad? Seriously, can you give me one, just [I]one[/I] reason not to change it that isn't "well that's how it was in the comics"?[/QUOTE]
Because she looks nothing like the character, and she's a different type of "model type" than Mary Jane.
Why cant she be Michele Gonzalez? Or the Spectacular version of Liz Allan? Or Glory Grant? ACTUAL minority Spider-Man supporting characters?
You completely misrepresented everything in that thread just like you're doing now
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50917181]You're the kind of guy who hears Shane Black sarcastically saying the 'real' Mandarin has always been there and [I]thinks he's actually being serious[/I][/QUOTE]
Uh, Hail To The King established there is a real Mandarin.
Because Shane Black was an idiot and fucked up continuity.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50917225]
And what's wrong with less exposure for minority characters? [/QUOTE]
Yeah I think we're done here lol
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
The real mandarin was built up in the first MCU movie btw
[editline]19th August 2016[/editline]
Shane Black really has no say there
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50917225]
And what's wrong with less exposure for minority characters? If the idea is representation, aren't we getting the same amount of it? Is there not a stronger statement to be made in showing that skin color does not define who a person can or cannot be?[/QUOTE]
Dude are you fucking serious?
It's amazing how hard you're trying to paint me as a racist when you're the one who seems to care more about ethnicity than anyone else in here
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50917246]It's amazing how hard you're trying to paint me as a racist when you're the one who seems to care more about ethnicity than anyone else in here[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because you're fine with ACTUAL minority characters being thrown to the curb in place of just blackfacing existing white characters.
How is that okay?
I WANT actual minority characters from Marvels line up to get a chance instead of being made irrelevant in corporate eyes by just taking a minority character and slapping a name on them for brand recognition.
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