[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49967949]Only if they take the route they did with Spiderman - completely new set of actors, no ties whatsoever to previous films by other companies, fresh start and no origin movie that's been done to death already.[/QUOTE]
Considering we got our X-Men origin movie about a decade after the first movie, i think we're safe.
[editline]19th March 2016[/editline]
Honestly, i think this is legitimate.
Fox and Marvel have been at ends for the longest time mostly due to Rothman and Perlmutter, both of whom have substantially less involvement with their respective positions (Rothman so much so that he's at Sony now)
And good ol' Kev is buddy buddy with the current Fox head honcho because he used to do stuff there back in the day.
Plus, Legion and Hellfire. Marvel explicitly owned the TV rights to X-Men and as such Fox needed their cooperation to do them.
[editline]19th March 2016[/editline]
Dont forget that Stan Lee is making a cameo, for the first time since The Last Stand (ignoring Deadpool), with someone "very special"
[QUOTE=redBadger;49967981]I dunno though, hugh Jackman was born to play wolverine, it'll be quite hard seeing anyone else try to play him.
everyone else has already been changed so many times it doesn't even matter at that point, just keep hugh[/QUOTE]
He's getting older and I recall an article not so long ago saying that he hasn't many movies left in him as Wolverine.
A fresh face wouldn't hurt if they found the right man for it.
I just, just started episode 6, and is that (very minor ep 6 spoilers) [sp]Elektra listening to the Yeah Yeah Yeahs? Very fitting choice of music if you ask me.[/sp]
EDIT: [sp]It is not. But still, love the music.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Killjoy;49967927]Just saw this, anyone care to share thoughts?
[url]http://www.comicplanetcultureforlife.com/2016/03/19/hot-rumor-x-men-will-rebooted-within-marvel-cinematic-universe-apocalypse/[/url][/QUOTE]
Ehh, MCU has kinda established that nobody on Earth was born with superpowers, would be weird if SUDDENLY MUTANTS!
Beginning of DD season 2: [sp]Punisher Warzone[/sp] - was awesome
End of DD season 2: [sp]Suddenly, ninjas![/sp] - was repetitive
The second time was annoying, the third time felt like it was just a cheap plot device.
[editline]19th March 2016[/editline]
Overall, I enjoyed it. I do wish they had dedicated the entire season to either Punisher or Elektra because I think they did a mediocre job of balancing the stories.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49968479]Beginning of DD season 2: [sp]Punisher Warzone[/sp] - was awesome
End of DD season 2: [sp]Suddenly, ninjas![/sp] - was repetitive
The second time was annoying, the third time felt like it was just a cheap plot device.
[editline]19th March 2016[/editline]
Overall, I enjoyed it. I do wish they had dedicated the entire season to either Punisher or Elektra because I think they did a mediocre job of balancing the stories.[/QUOTE]
The whole [sp]ninja shit[/sp] was honestly very dumb. I really hope they don't milk that plot much further. I'm so sick of [sp]ancient prophecies and the like[/sp]
s2e8
[sp]excited for more vincent donofrio. looking forward to the fisk - castle dynamic[/sp]
[QUOTE=redBadger;49968623]The whole [sp]ninja shit[/sp] was honestly very dumb. I really hope they don't milk that plot much further. I'm so sick of [sp]ancient prophecies and the like[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yeah but like it's sort of integral to the daredevil comics
[QUOTE=kaskade700;49965747]I explained this away with Fisk having most likely sealed him away from any other human interaction leaving an already poor mind to deteriorate in seclusion. I think not operating under the treat of the dead of his beloved Betsy(whoever she are, if just a figment of his imagination) has had a positive impact on his mind [sp]as is evident in season 2 as you point out[/sp][/QUOTE]
Betsy is the name of his girlfriend/future wife, if they're being faithful to the comics at all.
[url=http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Melvin_Potter_(Earth-616)]Potential spoilers alert[/url]
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;49968254]Ehh, MCU has kinda established that nobody on Earth was born with superpowers, would be weird if SUDDENLY MUTANTS![/QUOTE]
They already plan on having an Inhumans movie, and Agents of SHIELD have set up inhumans on the show, so it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility.
But if Fox and Marvel did come up with a deal, Spiderman and Deadpool would be a great combo.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49967949]Only if they take the route they did with Spiderman - completely new set of actors, no ties whatsoever to previous films by other companies, fresh start and no origin movie that's been done to death already.[/QUOTE]
Only if they'll stick to the tradition of giving the roles of Magneto and Professor Xavier to traditional Shakespearean British actors.
well, season 3 will surely be some crazy shit
[sp]punisher with the skull, elektra being revived, hopefully they'll bring in bullseye now that the crazy ninja army is out.[/sp]
Jon Bernthal should get an award for his role in this
[QUOTE=General;49970347]Jon Bernthal should get an award for his role in this[/QUOTE]
I really like the small touch that throughout the season(spoilers ofc)[sp]he gets more and more bruises and cuts all over his face[/sp]
How did [sp]the Punisher known where the fight was going on? Are we assuming that Karen called him in? Or Daredevil off screen? And why did he wait so long to take the shot, until Elektra was dead? I mean, not really dead, because three scenes later we have her resurrected so obviously her death serves no purpose and has no impact. Why? Oh, right: [/sp] THE PLOT CONVENIENCE.
Explain how exactly [sp]a nobody working as a secretary without any normal college as far as I remember gets the job as a one of the chief reporters in a main newspapers in the city, right with huge office and the right to write a special editorial as the first article? Did Karen fuck Editor-in-Chief, is that what we're supposed to assume, or is she a Mary Sue gaining new skills when it's [/sp] convenient for the plot.
The same thing goes with Foggy [sp] and how he suddenly got the prospects to be made a partner in a prestigious law firm? Or maybe that company's got financial problems due to Jessica Jones? Or maybe no one stopped for a moment thinking that this shit makes no sense - the opening statement was great, sure but that shit alone doesn't hold up. Maybe the explanation is there was no explanation and we need to [/sp] advance the plot further by making giant leaps in logic.
Brett [sp]from street cop got promoted to detective sergeant with own office and every fucking cop shown on the screen at his command. Are we sure that maybe by accident he was made commissioner thanks to his brilliant job at capturing the Punisher?[/sp] Or maybe someone realized that his character is not developed and decided to speed up the process?
[sp]Wilson Fisk is broke.[/sp] The series makes it a major point, saying it outright, these words exactly. [sp]And suddenly, not more than fucking 10 minutes after killing the previous kingpin in the prison, he now has not only entire army of paid guards (by who? by what?) but he also has the entire infrastructure to do anything he wants. The conclusion could be that he inherited from the previous guy, but that doesn't work like that. Remember that at the end of Season 1 Fisk was no one, despised even by common criminals, a try hard. And now what?[/sp] Doesn't matter, because as long as you don't think about it you don't realize it's fucking retarded.
And all that shit I pulled only from watching the finale, without stretching my brain too hard. I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed the 13 hours spend watching it, but let's not delude ourselves that the series is anything but barely good and not flat out mediocre, it certainly doesn't hold up when compared to other series that can actually be called the best series right now in TV.
The enjoyment comes from the shared universe, from characters we know from comic books and from the lore. From that alone. And kudos to Marvel for that, because they built something incredible when the quality of TV shows (Jessica Jones suffered from the same lack of quality) is not important compared to the hype and fanatical worship.
[QUOTE=Joz;49970588]How did [sp]the Punisher known where the fight was going on? Are we assuming that Karen called him in? Or Daredevil off screen? And why did he wait so long to take the shot, until Elektra was dead? I mean, not really dead, because three scenes later we have her resurrected so obviously her death serves no purpose and has no impact. Why? Oh, right: [/sp] THE PLOT CONVENIENCE.
Explain how exactly [sp]a nobody working as a secretary without any normal college as far as I remember gets the job as a one of the chief reporters in a main newspapers in the city, right with huge office and the right to write a special editorial as the first article? Did Karen fuck Editor-in-Chief, is that what we're supposed to assume, or is she a Mary Sue gaining new skills when it's [/sp] convenient for the plot.
The same thing goes with Foggy [sp] and how he suddenly got the prospects to be made a partner in a prestigious law firm? Or maybe that company's got financial problems due to Jessica Jones? Or maybe no one stopped for a moment thinking that this shit makes no sense - the opening statement was great, sure but that shit alone doesn't hold up. Maybe the explanation is there was no explanation and we need to [/sp] advance the plot further by making giant leaps in logic.
Brett [sp]from street cop got promoted to detective sergeant with own office and every fucking cop shown on the screen at his command. Are we sure that maybe by accident he was made commissioner thanks to his brilliant job at capturing the Punisher?[/sp] Or maybe someone realized that his character is not developed and decided to speed up the process?
[sp]Wilson Fisk is broke.[/sp] The series makes it a major point, saying it outright, these words exactly. [sp]And suddenly, not more than fucking 10 minutes after killing the previous kingpin in the prison, he now has not only entire army of paid guards (by who? by what?) but he also has the entire infrastructure to do anything he wants. The conclusion could be that he inherited from the previous guy, but that doesn't work like that. Remember that at the end of Season 1 Fisk was no one, despised even by common criminals, a try hard. And now what?[/sp] Doesn't matter, because as long as you don't think about it you don't realize it's fucking retarded.
And all that shit I pulled only from watching the finale, without stretching my brain too hard. I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed the 13 hours spend watching it, but let's not delude ourselves that the series is anything but barely good and not flat out mediocre, it certainly doesn't hold up when compared to other series that can actually be called the best series right now in TV.
The enjoyment comes from the shared universe, from characters we know from comic books and from the lore. From that alone. And kudos to Marvel for that, because they built something incredible when the quality of TV shows (Jessica Jones suffered from the same lack of quality) is not important compared to the hype and fanatical worship.[/QUOTE]
Compared to Arrow, Daredevil is much more enjoyable, and while it does have these plot holes you mentioned, I rate it higher than mediocre. I know/knew almost zero of the original mythology of Daredevil before watching the TV show so I didn't expect anything, and in return got a whole lot of goodies. While with Arrow, it's just absolute 'meh' all the way through. Daredevil S2 ain't perfect but it's one of the better things I've watched in a while.
[QUOTE=RocketRacer;49970774]Daredevil S2 ain't perfect but it's one of the better things I've watched in a while.[/QUOTE]Then you really need to step up your television game and start watching something that doesn't treat logic in plot as personal dirty whore.
Just because Arrow sucks along with other DC series, that doesn't make Marvel's series automatically masterpieces. They're better, but they stand on the exact same shelf.
[QUOTE=Joz;49970588]How did [sp]the Punisher known where the fight was going on? Are we assuming that Karen called him in? Or Daredevil off screen? And why did he wait so long to take the shot, until Elektra was dead? I mean, not really dead, because three scenes later we have her resurrected so obviously her death serves no purpose and has no impact. Why? Oh, right: [/sp] THE PLOT CONVENIENCE.
Explain how exactly [sp]a nobody working as a secretary without any normal college as far as I remember gets the job as a one of the chief reporters in a main newspapers in the city, right with huge office and the right to write a special editorial as the first article? Did Karen fuck Editor-in-Chief, is that what we're supposed to assume, or is she a Mary Sue gaining new skills when it's [/sp] convenient for the plot.
The same thing goes with Foggy [sp] and how he suddenly got the prospects to be made a partner in a prestigious law firm? Or maybe that company's got financial problems due to Jessica Jones? Or maybe no one stopped for a moment thinking that this shit makes no sense - the opening statement was great, sure but that shit alone doesn't hold up. Maybe the explanation is there was no explanation and we need to [/sp] advance the plot further by making giant leaps in logic.
Brett [sp]from street cop got promoted to detective sergeant with own office and every fucking cop shown on the screen at his command. Are we sure that maybe by accident he was made commissioner thanks to his brilliant job at capturing the Punisher?[/sp] Or maybe someone realized that his character is not developed and decided to speed up the process?
[sp]Wilson Fisk is broke.[/sp] The series makes it a major point, saying it outright, these words exactly. [sp]And suddenly, not more than fucking 10 minutes after killing the previous kingpin in the prison, he now has not only entire army of paid guards (by who? by what?) but he also has the entire infrastructure to do anything he wants. The conclusion could be that he inherited from the previous guy, but that doesn't work like that. Remember that at the end of Season 1 Fisk was no one, despised even by common criminals, a try hard. And now what?[/sp] Doesn't matter, because as long as you don't think about it you don't realize it's fucking retarded.
And all that shit I pulled only from watching the finale, without stretching my brain too hard. I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed the 13 hours spend watching it, but let's not delude ourselves that the series is anything but barely good and not flat out mediocre, it certainly doesn't hold up when compared to other series that can actually be called the best series right now in TV.
The enjoyment comes from the shared universe, from characters we know from comic books and from the lore. From that alone. And kudos to Marvel for that, because they built something incredible when the quality of TV shows (Jessica Jones suffered from the same lack of quality) is not important compared to the hype and fanatical worship.[/QUOTE]
Karen [sp]isn't a nobody. She was the whistleblower for the whole Fisk operation and she was close friends with Urich, who the editor had a shitload of respect for. That's why he let her in at first and then she proved to be a superb investigator just like Ben.[/sp]
Foggy [sp]took down Wilson Fisk and in the "Trial of the Century" put up one hell of an impressive fight against a ruthless and crooked DA. He would've won if Frank didnt do a complete 180 and have his little outburst. That's why Hoggarth offered him a job[/sp]
Yea Brett's development felt forced as hell I'll give you that
And for the last character
[sp]Actually yes, he did inherit Dutton's little empire, it does work that way. Someone has to continue operating Dutton's prison dealings. And no one would dare challenge Fisk for that, he had an entire cellblock wiped out.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Joz;49970808]Arrow sucks[/QUOTE]
Give or take, 80% of the time is not as good of a story telling as Daredevil is about similar subject, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Joz;49970808]along with other DC series[/QUOTE]
The Flash is really fucking good TV show for me, maybe you dislike it?
I do agree that I haven't watched many TV shows so my knowledge on subject matter is shallow, but for me personally, I was just glad to see a good story telling of vigilante thing because Arrow was a pretty big letdown compared to how Daredevil handled it.
[QUOTE=Joz;49970588]How did [sp]the Punisher known where the fight was going on? Are we assuming that Karen called him in? Or Daredevil off screen? And why did he wait so long to take the shot, until Elektra was dead? I mean, not really dead, because three scenes later we have her resurrected so obviously her death serves no purpose and has no impact. Why? Oh, right: [/sp] THE PLOT CONVENIENCE.
Explain how exactly [sp]a nobody working as a secretary without any normal college as far as I remember gets the job as a one of the chief reporters in a main newspapers in the city, right with huge office and the right to write a special editorial as the first article? Did Karen fuck Editor-in-Chief, is that what we're supposed to assume, or is she a Mary Sue gaining new skills when it's [/sp] convenient for the plot.
The same thing goes with Foggy [sp] and how he suddenly got the prospects to be made a partner in a prestigious law firm? Or maybe that company's got financial problems due to Jessica Jones? Or maybe no one stopped for a moment thinking that this shit makes no sense - the opening statement was great, sure but that shit alone doesn't hold up. Maybe the explanation is there was no explanation and we need to [/sp] advance the plot further by making giant leaps in logic.
Brett [sp]from street cop got promoted to detective sergeant with own office and every fucking cop shown on the screen at his command. Are we sure that maybe by accident he was made commissioner thanks to his brilliant job at capturing the Punisher?[/sp] Or maybe someone realized that his character is not developed and decided to speed up the process?
[sp]Wilson Fisk is broke.[/sp] The series makes it a major point, saying it outright, these words exactly. [sp]And suddenly, not more than fucking 10 minutes after killing the previous kingpin in the prison, he now has not only entire army of paid guards (by who? by what?) but he also has the entire infrastructure to do anything he wants. The conclusion could be that he inherited from the previous guy, but that doesn't work like that. Remember that at the end of Season 1 Fisk was no one, despised even by common criminals, a try hard. And now what?[/sp] Doesn't matter, because as long as you don't think about it you don't realize it's fucking retarded.
And all that shit I pulled only from watching the finale, without stretching my brain too hard. I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed the 13 hours spend watching it, but let's not delude ourselves that the series is anything but barely good and not flat out mediocre, it certainly doesn't hold up when compared to other series that can actually be called the best series right now in TV.
The enjoyment comes from the shared universe, from characters we know from comic books and from the lore. From that alone. And kudos to Marvel for that, because they built something incredible when the quality of TV shows (Jessica Jones suffered from the same lack of quality) is not important compared to the hype and fanatical worship.[/QUOTE]
The Punisher [sp]had a police scanner, that's why he knew where to go[/sp].
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
Also Brett [sp]arrested the punisher, he was obviously going to get a huge promotion for that, i don't know if it's realistic or not, but it's not a plot hole[/sp]
[QUOTE=Joz;49970808]Then you really need to step up your television game and start watching something that doesn't treat logic in plot as personal dirty whore.
Just because Arrow sucks along with other DC series, that doesn't make Marvel's series automatically masterpieces. They're better, but they stand on the exact same shelf.[/QUOTE]
i haven't got to the finale yet but so far, unlike arrow, daredevil doesn't treat the viewer like an idiot
[QUOTE=-nesto-;49970823]Karen [sp]isn't a nobody. She was the whistleblower for the whole Fisk operation and she was close friends with Urich, who the editor had a shitload of respect for. That's why he let her in at first and then she proved to be a superb investigator just like Ben.[/sp]
Foggy [sp]took down Wilson Fisk and in the "Trial of the Century" put up one hell of an impressive fight against a ruthless and crooked DA. He would've won if Frank didnt do a complete 180 and have his little outburst. That's why Hoggarth offered him a job[/sp]
Yea Brett's development felt forced as hell I'll give you that
And for the last character
[sp]Actually yes, he did inherit Dutton's little empire, it does work that way. Someone has to continue operating Dutton's prison dealings. And no one would dare challenge Fisk for that, he had an entire cellblock wiped out.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[Sp]Fisk didn't do shit. The punisher probably could have turned Fisk inside out[/sp]
[QUOTE=redBadger;49970918][Sp]Fisk didn't do shit. The punisher probably could have turned Fisk inside out[/sp][/QUOTE]
Speaking of that, I liked when [sp]Matt visited Fisk in jail and they had that conversation. Matt tried to intimidate Fisk and he got slammed into the table[/sp]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;49970823]Karen [sp]isn't a nobody. She was the whistleblower for the whole Fisk operation and she was close friends with Urich, who the editor had a shitload of respect for. That's why he let her in at first and then she proved to be a superb investigator just like Ben.[/sp][/quote]
I mean it's pretty nice if you watch films like Spotlight or others that depict the job of a journalist. The research is a major part of it, there's no denying it, but you actually have to write that shit, and it ain't easy. Having your way with words is actually harder than doing research. If she were to get a researcher job, or an investigator to some senior journalist, sure, no problem with that. A cover of sunday edition as the first article - extremely unlikely.
Which is funny, [sp]you can assume that the monologue at the end is a part of her article, and it's obviously extremely in-depth, quotable and borderline Pulitzer's. Which either makes her a Mary Sue perfect in everything she touches without rational explanation behind it or we just have to accept it as plot convenience[/sp]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;49970823]Foggy [sp]took down Wilson Fisk and in the "Trial of the Century" put up one hell of an impressive fight against a ruthless and crooked DA. He would've won if Frank didnt do a complete 180 and have his little outburst. That's why Hoggarth offered him a job[/sp][/QUOTE]
There's a difference between being offered a job, and being implied as a partner. Being a partner in a law firm, especially as enormous as that is a huge deal. If you're a minor fish ([sp]and Foggy is one, despite two big cases, you can count on it after working your ass off for several years for that company. It's rushed as fuck[/sp])
[QUOTE=-nesto-;49970823]Actually yes, he did inherit Dutton's little empire, it does work that way. Someone has to continue operating Dutton's prison dealings. And no one would dare challenge Fisk for that, he had an entire cellblock wiped out. [/quote]
He may have inherited the place and infrastructure, [sp]but he still didn't have the resources to run the place. Okay, maybe it was implied that he took over drug deals in the prison, but not after ten minutes of running shit around. The prison guards ain't gonna take orders from a guy, just because he killed a previous guy, they need to be paid, and for that moment - he didn't had any money to do that[/sp]
I mean of course, we can dwell on that further, finding more and more far-fetched explanations, but it is what it is - a sloppy writing. Because no one is going to care about it when you have Daredevil mowing bad guys in a corridor, or Elektra doing sick moves.
And that's the definition of superhero television.
Nah it's not sloppy writting, you're just looking too deep into shit that really doesn't matter.
[sp]Hell's Kitchen has had alien invaders and zombie ninjas running rampant. It's not far-fetched for a newspaper(aka a medium that's on the verge of extinction) to hire a chick who was front and center for two of the most important events to happen to the neighborhood post-Avengers.
Foggy's firm has dealt with: Wilson Fisk, the Punisher, and Daredevil. Hoggarth, who was a victim of Kilgrave, is prolly super interested in offering partnership to someone whose had extensive dealings with [I]those types[/I] of people. Plus it gives us another direct link to JJ and means that Foggy will probably have a recurring role in Iron Fist.
And Kingpin did have the resources to run the place, they didn't magically go poof when Dutton died. A business doesn't shutdown and close shop when the owner dies. Someone steps in, replaces them, and things continue operating. As for money, did you miss the scene where Punisher walks to Dutton's cell. Dutton is sitting there counting a stack of money.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Joz;49971056]
I mean of course, we can dwell on that further, finding more and more far-fetched explanations, but it is what it is - a sloppy writing. Because no one is going to care about it when you have Daredevil mowing bad guys in a corridor, or Elektra doing sick moves.
And that's the definition of superhero television.[/QUOTE]
Does it really count as sloppy writing if you failed to pay attention?
I do admit [sp]Fisk running the prison was stretching it, since he did run out of funds before he could pay for more than the two friends he had.[/sp]
[sp]Did getting shot cause Frank forget that the Colonel asked him to be a part of his drug operation?[/sp]
[QUOTE=JesterUK;49971444][sp]Did getting shot cause Frank forget that the Colonel asked him to be a part of his drug operation?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]frank was technically dead for a minute, and says that even the memory of the shooting goes in and out of his head, not too far-fetched for him to forget a minute detail like the colonel offering him a job (i doubt he went straight up and said "yo drugs lol")[/sp]
[QUOTE=redBadger;49971407]I do admit [sp]Fisk running the prison was stretching it, since he did run out of funds before he could pay for more than the two friends he had.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]he used the last bit of funds (before dipping into reserves put aside for vanessa) to buy the cop and inmates, and gained whatever dutton had. dude counted his eggs. not to mention frank wiped out dutton's whole block, presumably his enforcers and top guys, thereby leaving the whole thing open for fisk to grab with his own two hands.[/sp]
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