That's fanart by that guy who does a lot of mock-ups. Funny that he'd post that as opposed to an official pic
[media]https://twitter.com/Bosslogic/status/711613862039031808[/media]
[sp]So why was the Hand digging that giant hole?[/sp]
[QUOTE=JesterUK;49971974][sp]So why was the Hand digging that giant hole?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Probably something related to them being demon cultists.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Joz;49970588]How did [sp]the Punisher known where the fight was going on? Are we assuming that Karen called him in? Or Daredevil off screen? And why did he wait so long to take the shot, until Elektra was dead? I mean, not really dead, because three scenes later we have her resurrected so obviously her death serves no purpose and has no impact. Why? Oh, right: [/sp] THE PLOT CONVENIENCE. [/quote]
he had a [sp]police radio[/sp] you doofus
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
just sounds like you're trying too hard to hate on the show
90% of your complaints are explained by things they took an entire season (sometimes more) to establish
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49972067]he had a [sp]police radio[/sp] you doofus
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
just sounds like you're trying too hard to hate on the show
90% of your complaints are explained by things they took an entire season (sometimes more) to establish[/QUOTE]
Yeah a lot of those criticisms are fully explained by some fairly obvious subtext
[QUOTE=Joz;49970588]The same thing goes with Foggy [sp] and how he suddenly got the prospects to be made a partner in a prestigious law firm? Or maybe that company's got financial problems due to Jessica Jones? Or maybe no one stopped for a moment thinking that this shit makes no sense - the opening statement was great, sure but that shit alone doesn't hold up. Maybe the explanation is there was no explanation and we need to advance the plot further by making giant leaps in logic.[/sp][/QUOTE]
let's put this into more familiar terms
[sp]if you're a talent scout looking for an actor, would you disregard an oscar winning performance if the movie was bad?[/sp]
[QUOTE][sp]a nobody working as a secretary without any normal college as far as I remember gets the job as a one of the chief reporters in a main newspapers in the city, right with huge office and the right to write a special editorial as the first article? Did Karen fuck Editor-in-Chief, is that what we're supposed to assume, or is she a Mary Sue gaining new skills when it's [/sp] convenient for the plot[/quote]
[sp]not a nobody. more like the entire reason fisk was brought to the public eye.[/sp]
[quote][sp]Wilson Fisk is broke.[/sp] The series makes it a major point, saying it outright, these words exactly. [sp]And suddenly, not more than fucking 10 minutes after killing the previous kingpin in the prison, he now has not only entire army of paid guards (by who? by what?) but he also has the entire infrastructure to do anything he wants. The conclusion could be that he inherited from the previous guy, but that doesn't work like that. Remember that at the end of Season 1 Fisk was no one, despised even by common criminals, a try hard. And now what?[/sp] Doesn't matter, because as long as you don't think about it you don't realize it's fucking retarded.[/quote]
[sp]"the old kingpin is dead it's over guys let's be honest cops now and not be a part of the empire of the guy who had an entire city at his command[/sp]
[sp]But Fisk specifically tells Frank he doubled what Dutton was paying the guards. Where did he get that cash?[/sp]
[QUOTE=JesterUK;49972250][sp]But Fisk specifically tells Frank he doubled what Dutton was paying them. Where did he get that cash?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The pile of cash Dutton kept to himself[/sp]
[QUOTE=Damjen;49972265][sp]The pile of cash Dutton kept to himself[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I never considered that but it still doesn't seem like enough to double the pay of every guard in the prison. Especially when you consider that they expect to keep getting paid.[/sp]
[QUOTE=JesterUK;49972250][sp]But Fisk specifically tells Frank he doubled what Dutton was paying them. Where did he get that cash?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[url=http://puu.sh/nNIwx/e75222763a.jpg]gee, i have no idea[/url]
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
i got ninja'd [sp]much like this season[/sp]
[sp]ninjas kidnapped my girlfriends corpse
need money for kung fu lessons[/sp]
[QUOTE=JesterUK;49972270][sp]I never considered that but it still doesn't seem like enough to double the pay of every guard in the prison. Especially when you consider that they expect to keep getting paid.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I won't deny a lot of it is up to the viewer, but what we know about Dutton's character is that he controls almost all the contraband in the prison, and someone being 200 dollars shorts gets him only mildly annoyed
I think we can say for sure that Fisk seizing his assets is something the writers intended the audience to assume. They probably meant to imply Dutton was running the operation at a profit, but they could've been clearer on it (more specifically, how big a profit). It gets slightly more far-fetched if we go into "Fisk probably ran the operation BETTER and made MORE money!" territory, not because it's not in line with the character but because it's not something they dipped into. But it'd be a fair thing (for the writers) to go with, in case they take more time establishing the rise of his empire in the next season[/sp]
[sp]the dude eats steak and wine in a prison. how is that not obvious enough he's rolling in dough?[/sp]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49971289]Does it really count as sloppy writing if you failed to pay attention?[/QUOTE]
Shit, I forgot that Marvel is perfect and never does no wrong. It's obviously as deep as In Search of Lost Time and I just don't understand and didn't pay attention, right.
Let's talk in a few months when the hype dies down and you'll realize it was as mediocre as Jessica Jones.
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49972372][sp]I think we can say for sure that Fisk seizing his assets is something the writers intended the audience to assume. [/sp][/QUOTE]
Or maybe they didn't care enough to think about it. Both versions are just as probable and right now we won't know for sure.
[QUOTE=Joz;49972629]Shit, I forgot that Marvel is perfect and never does no wrong. It's obviously as deep as In Search of Lost Time and I just don't understand and didn't pay attention, right.
Let's talk in a few months when the hype dies down and you'll realize it was as mediocre as Jessica Jones.[/QUOTE]
lol why are you getting so defensive, you literally just rambled on about how [sp]frank couldn't possibly have found the thing he was very clearly listening to in the police scanner[/sp]
[QUOTE=Joz;49972629]Shit, I forgot that Marvel is perfect and never does no wrong. It's obviously as deep as In Search of Lost Time and I just don't understand and didn't pay attention, right.
Let's talk in a few months when the hype dies down and you'll realize it was as mediocre as Jessica Jones.[/QUOTE]
Im sorry, i was under the impression i was talking to a reasoning adult, but hey, i'll try again, so let me rephrase that:
You blatantly ignored multiple scenes that gave context to almost all of your gripes, and yet, when people point this out, you respond with "nuh-nuh bu-shuddup i betchu think MAHVEL can do no wrong!!!!"
I have gripes of my own. The Elektra half of the season was underwhelming. Punisher was inherently more interesting and should have had more screen time in the second half, while Elektras half should have been set up earlier. The main antagonist wasnt as clearly defined besides being a group, and there wasnt as much build up to the inevitable confrontation.
You, on the other hand, your gripes boil down to "Why wasnt this spelled out for me in the most obvious, neon-flashing way possible, i dont know how A got to B because what is subtext and context and foreshadowing and 'show, dont tell', these are foreign concepts to me."
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
In conclusion, just admit you fucked up, it will make all of our lives so much easier.
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
And, one more note, "Marvel is perfect and never does no wrong", the comics are hot fucking garbage right now and it makes me sad.
Hey so I've been thinking recently[sp]Hand can resurrect people, even after they've been dead for long enough that they've had an autopsy, right? There's one dead guy they would definitely be interested in:[/sp]
[sp]Kevin Thompson, aka Kilgrave[/sp]
[QUOTE=Damjen;49972816]Hey so I've been thinking recently[sp]Hand can resurrect people, even after they've been dead for long enough that they've had an autopsy, right? There's one dead guy they would definitely be interested in:[/sp]
[sp]Kevin Thompson, aka Kilgrave[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Although I doubt that would be the direction they take it, I would love to see Kilgrave using his power on Fisk and just seeing those two "allied" with one another. And Fisk eventually beating him to a pussy pulp for doing it.[/sp]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49972662]You blatantly ignored multiple scenes that gave context to almost all of your gripes, and yet, when people point this out, you respond with "nuh-nuh bu-shuddup i betchu think MAHVEL can do no wrong!!!!"[/QUOTE]
I can only admit being wrong about Frank [sp]as I forgot the scene with him relaunching the scanners, true, he might have hear it, but that doesn't change the cliche that was him shooting right when it was convenient, letting Elektra die which again was meaningless, and basically doing fucking nothing, because it's not like DD wasn't able to take down these few ninja remaining..[/sp]
Other explanations are too far-fetched to call them explanations. [sp]If you really wanna dwell on that Fisk got money from that big pile that Dutton was stocking, then I ask when did that happened if they were all that time in his cell, and the entire corridor/block was cut off by Frank? And then right after the job was done, suddenly all guards were working for Fisk.[/sp]
"In conclusion, just admit the writing is fucked up, it will make all of our lives so much easier."
[editline]21st March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49972662]You, on the other hand, your gripes boil down to "Why wasnt this spelled out for me in the most obvious, neon-flashing way possible, i dont know how A got to B because what is subtext and context and foreshadowing and 'show, dont tell', these are foreign concepts to me."[/QUOTE]
None of that happened, I don't know what you're trying to achieve by saying things I didn't even mentioned. My issues are not explainable by foreshadowing or 'show, don't tell.' And even if they could've, that shit wasn't there. You're trying to make it a Shakespearean piece of art with complicated and nuanced storylines and carefully planned and executed every shot, with pieces of of symbolism written all over it, but it's just caped TV series. Let's not glorify it by saying it's something that it's not.
[QUOTE=Joz;49973048]I can only admit being wrong about Frank [sp]as I forgot the scene with him relaunching the scanners, true, he might have hear it, but that doesn't change the cliche that was him shooting right when it was convenient, letting Elektra die which again was meaningless, and basically doing fucking nothing, because it's not like DD wasn't able to take down these few ninja remaining..[/sp]
Other explanations are too far-fetched to call them explanations. [sp]If you really wanna dwell on that Fisk got money from that big pile that Dutton was stocking, then I ask when did that happened if they were all that time in his cell, and the entire corridor/block was cut off by Frank? And then right after the job was done, suddenly all guards were working for Fisk.[/sp]
"In conclusion, just admit the writing is fucked up, it will make all of our lives so much easier."
[editline]21st March 2016[/editline]
None of that happened, I don't know what you're trying to achieve by saying things I didn't even mentioned. My issues are not explainable by foreshadowing or 'show, don't tell.' And even if they could've, that shit wasn't there. You're trying to make it a Shakespearean piece of art with complicated and nuanced storylines and carefully planned and executed every shot, with pieces of of symbolism written all over it, but it's just caped TV series. Let's not glorify it by saying it's something that it's not.[/QUOTE]
[sp] What I gathered from Elektra's death is that her entire life she has believed herself to be a weapon and a monster, but Matt was the only person who saw her as a human being. Her death was her defying (or unintentionally embracing) her destiny with The Hand. However, I'm going to take a wild guess that the revival chamber will also have a Lazarus Pit effect and that more human side of her will be gone but the weapon The Hand craves.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Joz;49973048]I can only admit being wrong about Frank [sp]as I forgot the scene with him relaunching the scanners, true, he might have hear it, but that doesn't change the cliche that was him shooting right when it was convenient, letting Elektra die which again was meaningless, and basically doing fucking nothing, because it's not like DD wasn't able to take down these few ninja remaining..[/sp][/quote]
[sp]You hate this saved by the bell cliche so you want to take it even further and have Frank not only giving Daredevil a nod (which was what that scene was, literally and figuratively), but full-on fighting the ninja army?[/sp]
[quote]Other explanations are too far-fetched to call them explanations. [sp]If you really wanna dwell on that Fisk got money from that big pile that Dutton was stocking, then I ask when did that happened if they were all that time in his cell, and the entire corridor/block was cut off by Frank? And then right after the job was done, suddenly all guards were working for Fisk.[/sp][/quote]
[sp]We have literally two scenes establishing Dutton's character. The first tells us he has a lot of power, the second tells us he has a lot of money. Suddenly it's crazy and far fetched that the one to take Dutton down is not the one who's going to take over.[/sp]
Like, it's clear all you're trying to do is paint the show as entry-level crap just because it's a Marvel superhero show
.
Subtext isn't thrown out the window, writers don't turn off their brains as soon as they walk into their office just because they're dealing with a character that wears tights. Daredevil not being a Shakespearean piece of art doesn't mean you're not also failing to connect some very obvious dots and placing the blame on the writers just because you can't accept a superhero show [I]might[/I] just have some soul to it
[QUOTE=Joz;49973048]
None of that happened, I don't know what you're trying to achieve by saying things I didn't even mentioned. My issues are not explainable by foreshadowing or 'show, don't tell.' And even if they could've, that shit wasn't there. You're trying to make it a Shakespearean piece of art with complicated and nuanced storylines and carefully planned and executed every shot, with pieces of of symbolism written all over it, but it's just caped TV series. Let's not glorify it by saying it's something that it's not.[/QUOTE]
For fucks sake dude, come on.
You skipped over like half of the episodes. Do you notice how the rest of the thread is replying to you telling you you're wrong and providing evidence as to why? You ignored several points in several episodes, just admit it and get along with it.
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
And why do you keep saying that im trying to make it deeper and more Shakespearean? Im not making shit up, i just paid attention to the damn show.
And what does that last part imply? That comic book adaptations cant have any depth besides punchy punchy? Christ man.
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
Here, let me ask a simpler question:
Do you always get your opinion from what /co/ tells you is the right opinion?
[QUOTE=Joz;49971056]
There's a difference between being offered a job, and being implied as a partner. Being a partner in a law firm, especially as enormous as that is a huge deal. If you're a minor fish ([sp]and Foggy is one, despite two big cases, you can count on it after working your ass off for several years for that company. It's rushed as fuck[/sp])
[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty damn sure that wasn't an instant invitation to [sp]partner[/sp], anyone with a moment to think about it (which I think has been established you haven't) will realize that that's probably a "down the line" type of thing if he took the deal.
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
Also, did they ever explain "where the fuck is that guy's hand?"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49973464]I'm pretty damn sure that wasn't an instant invitation to [sp]partner[/sp], anyone with a moment to think about it (which I think has been established you haven't) will realize that that's probably a "down the line" type of thing if he took the deal.
[editline]20th March 2016[/editline]
Also, did they ever explain "where the fuck is that guy's hand?"[/QUOTE]
yeah [sp]it was how frank got the briefcase with the money[/sp]
That makes sense, I must have not noticed that
[url]http://dontkillbirds.tumblr.com/post/141402532599/guardian-of-heart-honestly-the-best-30-seconds[/url] Fucking lost it
After some thought, if the Punisher is [sp]"excellent at knowing what's in people's souls", makes "great impressions of everyone" and is overall a very intelligent man, how did he not piece together Murdock = DD after having long conversations with both, especially both having the same voice? Did he know and just not say it outright[/sp]
Or can it really be chocked up as he truly didn't care?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49974099]After some thought, if the Punisher is [sp]"excellent at knowing what's in people's souls", makes "great impressions of everyone" and is overall a very intelligent man, how did he not piece together Murdock = DD after having long conversations with both, especially both having the same voice? Did he know and just not say it outright[/sp]
Or can it really be chocked up as he truly didn't care?[/QUOTE]
I think he realized when Matt was talking in the hospital room; he gives him a weird look, at least. Odds are, he just doesn't give enough of a shit to tell anybody he's realized it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49974099]After some thought, if the Punisher is [sp]"excellent at knowing what's in people's souls", makes "great impressions of everyone" and is overall a very intelligent man, how did he not piece together Murdock = DD after having long conversations with both, especially both having the same voice? Did he know and just not say it outright[/sp]
Or can it really be chocked up as he truly didn't care?[/QUOTE]
Definitely a good question [sp]especially since at the finale Murdock's mask flies off and Frank sees him through a scope. So it's possible that he just didn't care/it didn't matter much or possible that it just wasn't explicitly clear where he stood.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49974099]After some thought, if the Punisher is [sp]"excellent at knowing what's in people's souls", makes "great impressions of everyone" and is overall a very intelligent man, how did he not piece together Murdock = DD after having long conversations with both, especially both having the same voice? Did he know and just not say it outright[/sp]
Or can it really be chocked up as he truly didn't care?[/QUOTE]
[sp]He probably does know. Almost certainly after the finale since he was using a sniper rifle to help him out while he was unmasked.[/sp]
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