I'm not sure if its ninjas or just the actress or character idk.
I don't mind the Hand but I found Elektra and her backstory to be a bore/annoyance. I guess I didn't really like her in the 2004 movie or other media either, so it's not a big surprise.
The only reason I asked for Elektra after s1 was because she seemed to be a Daredevil thing and I didn't think she'd be able to stand on her own film. (Antman Spoiler) [sp]basically the same reason I think Wasp got shoved into Antman instead of as her own thing[/sp]
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Also first five mins of the S2E1 daredevil is proof to me that even Marvel/Disney can do a better Batman than WB, DCCU is a fucking joke to me at this point
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50185598]DD season 3 (if there is one)[/QUOTE]
Is there any doubt about a third season at this point?
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;50185662]Is there any doubt about a third season at this point?[/QUOTE]
The stupid as fuck two shows per year limit.
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[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50185611] [sp]basically the same reason I think Wasp got shoved into Antman instead of as her own thing[/sp][/QUOTE]
"Shoved"
I mean i get what you're saying about Elektra but The Wasp literally cannot function independently from Ant-Man.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50185666]The stupid as fuck two shows per year limit.
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Whaaaaaat? That's lame.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;50185675]Whaaaaaat? That's lame.[/QUOTE]
If im not mistaken, its because Ike Perlmutter (the root of all evil related to Marvel, essentially) is a cheapskate who doesnt want the shows to have a budget.
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Just to refresh your memory of who exactly Ike Perlmutter is, he's the man who said that its a good thing if the current comics piss you off because 'you'll still buy them anyway'.
Theres a reason Feige went to Disney and requested that the Creative Committee be dismantled and Marvel Studios separated from Marvel Comics.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50185666]"Shoved"
I mean i get what you're saying about Elektra but The Wasp literally cannot function independently from Ant-Man.[/QUOTE]
Prior to the film I saw her only in avengers cartoons and independent
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noted that said avengers cartoons didnt have antman in them either
He's also a huge asshole to Fox because he's pissy over movie rights.
Thats why the Fantastic Four and X-Men werent on big group shots or prominent for the past few years. And why the Inhumans were being pushed as the new X-Men.
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[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50185704]Prior to the film I saw her only in avengers cartoons and independent
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noted that said avengers cartoons didnt have antman in them either[/QUOTE]
But thats wrong?
In EMH and UTS, Ant-Man/Giant Man is a prominent member of the Avengers.
Your point is moot anyway because thats still not her being independent. Those are ensemble shows.
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Yeah no, im looking through it and the only Avengers show she was in without Ant-Man was the japanese Disk Wars anime where the Avengers were essentially pokemon.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50185710]He's also a huge asshole to Fox because he's pissy over movie rights.
Thats why the Fantastic Four and X-Men werent on big group shots or prominent for the past few years. And why the Inhumans were being pushed as the new X-Men.
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Oh yeah, I remember my roommate complaining about that earlier this week. He's really pissed that they're phasing out the mutants for the inhumans.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;50185732]Oh yeah, I remember my roommate complaining about that earlier this week. He's really pissed that they're phasing out the mutants for the inhumans.[/QUOTE]
Looks like Disney cracked the fuck down on it after awhile though, probably since Tom Rothman is gone, him and Ike got into frequent pissing contests.
The current guy is friends with Feige, and now theres a new storyline to promote the new X-Men movie.
Wait Giant Man IS Antman? That's news to me tbh, my opinion discarded
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never really cared to find that out
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50185739]Wait Giant Man IS Antman? That's news to me tbh, my opinion discarded
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never really cared to find that out[/QUOTE]
Bruh are you fuckin.
Like legit.
Bro.
Seriously?
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Guy, he literally changes inbetween Ant-Man and Giant-Man frequently, sometimes in the same SCENE in those shows how did you never notice.
I've never been a big Avengers comic fan. With comics I mostly read the single character stuff, like Spider-man/Iron Man. Rarely ever looked at team ups, and names like Antman and Giantman weren't appetizing.
Him being Giant Man makes perfect sense though, so I don't doubt it
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Which shows? I was thinking of the one with the kid avengers and the one preceding it.
and I saw it when I was a little shit
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All I remember is that the first one seemed to be about HULK being dangerous, including a fight with all the avengers and the second one being about their kin, I think I could describe the kids and recall Ultron being the main antagonist and destroying the original avengers, but thats it
It's very rare big studios come along and flat out say a film is cancelled. It's always hiatus or "pushed back until further notice". Doesn't bode well for Inhumans. Maybe as Fox's X-men universe hurtles to an end they've managed to strike a deal. The mutant based TV show has long been rumoured to be one part of Fox/Disney building bridges.
Maybe they want to reboot Fox films within the MCU. I would so welcome it. Just so we get an X-men that has the right tone and actually resembles the source material. To see Logan and Spidey together would literally fuck me up.
There's so many great comic stories for the current MCU characters that can't be told without mutants, Fantastic 4 or various other elements Fox own (Kang, Galactus, Skrulls and Badoon).
[QUOTE=Dan2593;50185853]It's very rare big studios come along and flat out say a film is cancelled. It's always hiatus or "pushed back until further notice". Doesn't bode well for Inhumans. Maybe as Fox's X-men universe hurtles to an end they've managed to strike a deal. The mutant based TV show has long been rumoured to be one part of Fox/Disney building bridges.
Maybe they want to reboot Fox films within the MCU. I would so welcome it. Just so we get an X-men that has the right tone and actually resembles the source material. To see Logan and Spidey together would literally fuck me up.
There's so many great comic stories for the current MCU characters that can't be told without mutants, Fantastic 4 or various other elements Fox own (Kang, Galactus, Skrulls and Badoon).[/QUOTE]
X-Men and FF collectively have the best Marvel villains outside of the Spidey rogues.
This is fact.
People have complained MCU film villains have been weak. But have they seen the source material?!
Without a Spidey deal they would be a bit in the shit going forward. Now they've got Norman, Ock and Symbiotes.
That'll only get them so far. They're going to need Doom, Magneto, Galactus and the Skrulls sooner or later. MCU is quickly running out of vilains. Loki and Thanos can't be used until the end of time. Though it is perhaps time they bring back Red Skull, the real Mandarin and give Ultron a better go.
I honestly miss the days when the movies were about a single hero and single villain
Like Ant Man last year?
Or when it was just The Guardians against Ronan.
Or Iron man against Mandarin. Or Thor against Dark Elf Man? Or Cap against Winter Soldier?
Those films might have supporting character who also had superpowers and may have been superheroes. But there was only one hero of each story, except Guardians which was ensemble.
Yeah like Antman last year, but without the part where he literally visits the avengers academy.
Idk if you've seen iron man 3, [sp]since it wasn't just mandarin, and he ended up fake, just as well as Cap America 2 where it ended up being more about Hydra and SHIELD as bad guys than winter soldier. From memory it seemed like WS was a subplot.[/sp]
and like you said, Guardians was an ensemble, and had multiple villains inside it, Nebula, Thanos, Korath etc.. Thor 2 has an army + Loki.
Probably the closest example you cite was Iron Man 3 and that seems like ages ago.
I was thinking more like Sam Raimi's Spider-man, where it was Green Goblin and Spidey, or Batman (1989) where it's Batman and Joker.
Or the 1st Cap America, 1st Iron Man, 1st hulk.
Before things got "complicated" with juggling group acts and guest appearances.
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It seems like there's a lot of jampacking things into one film now, which is ok, but I sort of miss those movies where its a hero and his iconic big bads one at a time, mostly ignoring that there's other heroes that are sometimes more qualified to fight those big bads somewhere in the same world.
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I can't be the only one who finds some enjoyment in that sentiment right?
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Even reading comic books I feel that way, Ultimate Spider-man was nice read when I was younger because it seemed a lot of villains got their own arch to themselves
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But I did still enjoy that after awhile of tons of books separately explaining villain origins and the battles with the heroes that they eventually all break out and form a plan together, but afterwards I still liked that there were still solo stories
As long as the crossovers are continuing stories that already exist in the universe (Cap 2, Ant Man, Avengers) and not ignoring the past to focus on setting up the future (IM2, Avengers 2 and Thor 2) I don't think it's an issue.
I think it's cool to have characters to crossover if there's a need. Just doing it for the sake of it is annoying (BVS, IM2 and Avengers 2 seem to literally exist to tease future films by having characters and places get name dropped everywhere).
For example, if Cap 3 was a film where they just set up Infinity Stones and talk about Thanos I'd be annoyed. But instead it's continuing plot threads from Cap 2 and Avengers. The crossover is totally warranted. Each Marvel film should feel like a continuation. Not a tease. I've got no problem with supporting characters being from other films if that's the case, like if Stark appears in Spider-man. It gives the universe a sense of coherence. It also makes it feel like a continuation and you're not left watching Thor 2 and asking "where are the Avengers, why is there no mention of that?"
I never said it was an issue, just that I nostalgically miss the simple 1v1 focus.
come to think of it I never stated specific films in my original statement.
Also that last sentence, it's a double edged sword.
While yes, sometimes you may wonder why there isn't a handwave about avengers existing, you may also find yourself watching the less powerful characters struggle against some cataclysmic/crazy OP bullshit they struggle against and wondering why they don't just call their superfriends, while the existence of them being able to contact each other is directly referenced. "It has to be a conflict" and "its a movie" sure, but reminding me that the character can literally call upon a god for help before they deal with some asshole trying to wreck everything I kind of wonder why those contacts are not doing anything about it. I mean I think some of the movies were meant to take place at the same time, so I guess that's quelled sometimes but not every time I don't think.
If Daredevil s1 was chopped down into a movie I think it'd be like what I was talking about missing. It seemed largely about Daredevil vs Kingpin, and who Kingpin and Daredevil are but with some side villains to fill the 13 hours. Only real mentions of Avengers are one off lines from civilian characters and background newspapers.
Is it really a crime to wanna see the old formula of hero and arch-nemesis going at it (Iron Man vs Titanium Man, Spider-man vs Venom, Thor vs Enchantress) personally?
Most of the phase 1 movies did this, as did a lot of pre-MCU marvel movies, I was just saying I'd like to see more of our heroes being independent like we used to see. Not that there's anything wrong with said connections.
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tbh idk why you couldn't just let me say that, it didn't need to be an argument
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[QUOTE=AaronM202;50185865]X-Men and FF collectively have the best Marvel villains outside of the Spidey rogues.
This is fact.[/QUOTE]
I really hope they can find a way to get FOX to budge.
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Idk if you've seen iron man 3, [sp]since it wasn't just mandarin, and he ended up fake, just as well as Cap America 2 where it ended up being more about Hydra and SHIELD as bad guys than winter soldier. From memory it seemed like WS was a subplot.[/sp]
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The short Hail to the King [sp]ended with the real Mandarin kidnapping the fake one from prison.[/sp]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50186144]
Idk if you've seen iron man 3, [sp]since it wasn't just mandarin, and he ended up fake, just as well as Cap America 2 where it ended up being more about Hydra and SHIELD as bad guys than winter soldier. From memory it seemed like WS was a subplot.[/sp]
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WS [I]was[/I] a subplot, both in the movie and the comics, with after the events with HYDRA ending did it become the main plot, which is what we'll hopefully see in Civil War.
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The Civil War movie seems to be meshing the Captain America storyline after the initial Winter Soldiers arc with Lukin (which name I can't remember nor can I locate my comics of that story) along with the actual Civil War storyline
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tbh idk why you couldn't just let me say that, it didn't need to be an argument[/QUOTE]
Not an argument dude. Discussion. You raised an interesting and totally valid point of view worth exploring
I guess I just felt like I was being put on the spot to defend that feeling
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50185611]I'm not sure if its ninjas or just the actress or character idk.
I don't mind the Hand but I found Elektra and her backstory to be a bore/annoyance. I guess I didn't really like her in the 2004 movie or other media either, so it's not a big surprise.
The only reason I asked for Elektra after s1 was because she seemed to be a Daredevil thing and I didn't think she'd be able to stand on her own film. (Antman Spoiler) [sp]basically the same reason I think Wasp got shoved into Antman instead of as her own thing[/sp]
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Also first five mins of the S2E1 daredevil is proof to me that even Marvel/Disney can do a better Batman than WB, DCCU is a fucking joke to me at this point[/QUOTE]
Its not that the ninjas/elektra parts were bad its just that they couldn't possibly compete with the Punisher so whenever the story went away from him you just wanted to go back
Me and my mum got passes to see the CW European premiere at London Westfield on Tuesday! :dance:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/U8q5xBz.jpg[/t]
The whole cast except ScarJo and Tom Holland is going to be there.
final X-Men: Apocalypse trailer
[video=youtube_share;Jer8XjMrUB4]http://youtu.be/Jer8XjMrUB4[/video]
[sp]snikt[/sp]
This looks like a trainwreck to me, but I'll see it anyway.
Ugh why is Wolverine there.
Jlaw is so fucking garbage
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