Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.4 - I wanna look like that guy from Fight Club
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[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36128614]If catabolism doesn't occur in people eating a bare 1000 calories a day and not even training, it sure as shit doesn't happen in someone on a 500 cal deficit and still training multiple times a week.[/QUOTE]
Are you just talking from personal experience? It should be obvious why catabolism isn't occuring in someone who eats a 1000 calories a day and doesn't train. They're not using any energy. I'm one of those people eating a bare 1000 calories a day. However, I am training. Six days a week. I'm going to continue with the advice I was given from that webpage.
What exactly did you chance after reading that article?
My knee is slowly getting better from my bike wreck like a month ago. Still in physical therapy and can't do anywhere close to the weight that I used to on it. I'm about to be in summer school so I will have access to the uni gym again and other facilities so that will be nice!
[QUOTE=Seith;36132750]What exactly did you chance after reading that article?[/QUOTE]
I work out first thing in the morning. I used to drink a shake before a workout and eat breakfast afterwards. My breakfast contains the most amount of fat I consume throughout the day. According to article, fat slows digestion (important when trying to digest protein quickly) so it is suggested to avoid fat consumption 3 hours PWO. Now I have breakfast before I workout (strength training and HIIT days). I now consume watermelon, to provoke an insulin spike, along with a shake PWO.
[QUOTE=schnibbles;36133962]I work out first thing in the morning. I used to drink a shake before a workout and eat breakfast afterwards. My breakfast contains the most amount of fat I consume throughout the day. According to article, fat slows digestion (important when trying to digest protein quickly) so it is suggested to avoid fat consumption 3 hours PWO. Now I have breakfast before I workout (strength training and HIIT days). I now consume watermelon, to provoke an insulin spike, along with a shake PWO.[/QUOTE]
The "metabolic window" after a workout is complete broscience. Protein synthesis is elevated for at least 24 hours after you work out, there's no need to do bullshit in order to get protein digested as fast as possible. Mostly all foods cause the release of insulin. Obviously carbs do it the most, but you're spiking insulin every time you consume something, even if it's mostly protein.
It also takes many hours for food to digest. Your PWO meal isn't fully digested until like 8 hours after you ate it, so even if the metabolic window existed, you wouldn't be hitting it. Getting your protein before a workout is actually a better way to hit that window if you're dead set on believing it exists.
I did 3 pull ups to day for 4 sets while playing RDR.
RDR is such a shitty game lol.
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;36136401]The "metabolic window" after a workout is complete broscience. Protein synthesis is elevated for at least 24 hours after you work out, there's no need to do bullshit in order to get protein digested as fast as possible. Mostly all foods cause the release of insulin. Obviously carbs do it the most, but you're spiking insulin every time you consume something, even if it's mostly protein.
It also takes many hours for food to digest. Your PWO meal isn't fully digested until like 8 hours after you ate it, so even if the metabolic window existed, you wouldn't be hitting it. Getting your protein before a workout is actually a better way to hit that window if you're dead set on believing it exists.[/QUOTE]
High insulin levels also reduce the high levels of cortisol that rise during a catabolic state and break down amino acids. I don't feel that I'm going too far out of my way to eat a few ounces of high gycemic fruit (watermelon) along with a protein shake ,PWO, to ensure a quick return to an anabolic state.
I also eat a good protein/fat/carb breakfast hours before each workout.
[QUOTE=schnibbles;36132713]Are you just talking from personal experience? It should be obvious why catabolism isn't occuring in someone who eats a 1000 calories a day and doesn't train. They're not using any energy. I'm one of those people eating a bare 1000 calories a day. However, I am training. Six days a week. I'm going to continue with the advice I was given from that webpage.[/QUOTE]
Ok please go ahead and continue to use dumb information from a bad article, what I told you is information from medical journals.
Catabolism does not occur in any reasonable time frame it's as simple as that. These people had ZERO stimulus, and were consuming LESS than 1000 calories, they were also WOMEN, they literally have 7x less amount of androgens in their body.
You on the other hand, are a male, you produce roughly 5-7mg of testosterone a day, you are providing a stimulus (weight training) and you are probably consuming more than enough protein to prevent any muscle tissue catabolism. Catabolism of muscle tissue does not happen in a short time frame. Think about this logically, muscle hypertrophy and CNS adaptations are the body's response to what it perceives as environmental stress, it spends a lot of nutrients, time and energy on building new tissue, why the everliving fuck would it decide to jettison protective tissue just because you didn't have your brotein every 3 hours or whatever the fuck. HTH the amino acids you consumed at lunch is still in your bloodstream when you go to bed that night.
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[QUOTE=schnibbles;36133962]I work out first thing in the morning. I used to drink a shake before a workout and eat breakfast afterwards. My breakfast contains the most amount of fat I consume throughout the day. According to article, fat slows digestion (important when trying to digest protein quickly) so it is suggested to avoid fat consumption 3 hours PWO. Now I have breakfast before I workout (strength training and HIIT days). I now consume watermelon, to provoke an insulin spike, along with a shake PWO.[/QUOTE]
Oh boy
I haven't even read the article, but based just off what you are saying here I already know it's full of broscience bullshit.
For starters, the absorption rate on protein is literally IRRELEVANT. Even whey protein, one of the fastest digesting proteins, consumed in the absence of any other nutrient, still takes hours to digest and absorb and to utilize.
[url]http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/casein-hydrolysate-and-anabolic-hormones-and-growth-research-review.html[/url]
There's an article breaking down the research of a study on hydrolysate proteins, which are supposedly even faster in absorption.
Moving on, spiking insulin is dumb. Almost everything you eat spikes insulin. Secondly, whey protein is highly insulinogenic, more so than most carbohydrate sources are, including fruit sugars. So enjoy your piece of fruit, but consuming it for the sole purpose of spiking insulin is redundant.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36138176]I haven't even read the article, but based just off what you are saying here I already know it's full of broscience bullshit.[/QUOTE]
alright alright. hah.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36138176]Think about this logically, muscle hypertrophy and CNS adaptations are the body's response to what it perceives as environmental stress, it spends a lot of nutrients, time and energy on building new tissue, why the everliving fuck would it decide to jettison protective tissue just because you didn't have your brotein every 3 hours or whatever the fuck.[/QUOTE]
Exercise induced catabolism starts when blood sugar starts to drop (hypoglycemia)... blood sugar is sure to start dropping after 20-30 minutes of aerobic exhertion. Then cortisol kicks in and tells the body to start hitting the stored glycogen in the liver (to get blood sugar up), and in the muscles (to buffer the need until the liver delivery of glycogen to glucose gets up to speed). As muscles fully consume their glycogen, and if the blood glucose isn't able to keep up with the effort, cortisol starts scavenging protein from muscles and connective tissue to convert it to protein (gluconeogenesis), resulting in glucose and uric acid. This is muscle wasting and the reason why we PWO load dextrose and protein in bolus after weight training or aerobics.
My main concern was that my 20-30 min HIIT sessions were catabolic, inducing excessive blood sugar consumption.
[QUOTE=schnibbles;36138834]alright alright. hah.
I will stop worrying about catabolism. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
hth if you are insistent on doing very low cal diets to lose fat, just do PSMF
Also training 6 days a week on low calories is going to jack your cortisol through the roof.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;36139217]hth if you are insistent on doing very low cal diets to lose fat, just do PSMF
Also training 6 days a week on low calories is going to jack your cortisol through the roof.[/QUOTE]
Now we're going in circles.
Split routine vs full body, which is better?
Split is more efficient.
Also, interesting clip;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mSLf5IIRKVs[/media]
[QUOTE=Seith;36140987]Split is more efficient.
Also, interesting clip;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mSLf5IIRKVs[/media][/QUOTE]
I'm not worried about efficiency, more so about effectiveness
Same.
I used to think full-body routines were best for strength since I did them in football, but ever since I started doing a split a few months ago, my lifts have been skyrocketing. Especially my bench press, even though I only do it once or twice a week.
Been doing full body routine, but I want to switch to split just to change it up. Can someone help me organize a split routine? Like which bodyparts to do each day? I'm kind of a newb, don't have anyone to give me good advice
[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;36149209]Been doing full body routine, but I want to switch to split just to change it up. Can someone help me organize a split routine? Like which bodyparts to do each day? I'm kind of a newb, don't have anyone to give me good advice[/QUOTE]
Monday: Chest/Tricep
Tuesday:Shoulder/Biceps
Wednesday:Legs/abs(or cardio)
Thursday:Break
Friday:Back (I personally add a bicep workout or 2)
You can mix and match any way you like but take into consideration what working one group of muscles effects the other. So in other words you would want to keep chest and triceps within a day of each other since each affects the other. Same goes with Back and Bicep, etc.
Personally, mine is:
Monday:Chest/Biceps
Tuesday:Shoulder/Triceps
Wednesday:Legs/cardio
Thursday: break
Friday:Back/Biceps
Saturday&Sunday:Break
I personally do
Sunday: Chest/Bicep
Monday: Legs
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Rest
Thursday: Shoulders/Triceps
Friday: Rest
Saturday: Rest
I don't like combining muscle that affect each other like chest/triceps in one day because that means they're only getting worked once a week. My triceps get worked on chest days and again on shoulder days. Most back lifts like rows hit biceps again. Sometimes I throw in a few sets of incline bench on shoulder days just to hit chest again. But that's just what works for me.
Thanks guys
Do Practical Programming, Starting Strength. You don't need that much volume, it would have the same effect as much as a low volume, high intensity routine. You are not yet neurally efficient so there's no need for that kind of work, yet.
For beginners, high intensity, short workouts is the best choice.
Aight all u bitch niggas
imma lift tomorow n get some film of me n the tmisc crew lifting.
Any request for me to do tomorw?
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;36164107]Aight all u bitch niggas
imma lift tomorow n get some film of me n the tmisc crew lifting.
Any request for me to do tomorw?[/QUOTE]
ss + gomad
sorry to dissapoint guys im not lifting today
the other dudes aren't coming so i dont feel a need to lift
no homo
all talk
In other news, I'm on my 4th day of DNP and was slammed by lethargy this morning. Getting out of bed was rough. Drinking pineapple juice helped though. Going to be upping the dose tomorrow.
Dying to see results actually. ;)
I forgot to take true before pictures but took one today, I'm already holding on to a shitload of water so it was tough getting myself to take a picture without wanting to delete it right away, haha. At least it should make the difference appear more drastic.
Are those elastic things good as "weigh-substitutes"?
Sweet, my gym is closing on the 6th. Time to either buy some equipment or give up
[QUOTE=D3TBS;36172982]Are those elastic things good as "weigh-substitutes"?[/QUOTE]
Elastic things... ?
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