Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.4 - I wanna look like that guy from Fight Club
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So I've got a problem with my current weight lifting situation.
I've been doing powerlifting and pushing a high-protein diet for the past few months or so and I've gotten to the point where I can max 5 reps at or around 3x my lean body weight with smith squats.
I use proper technique, use a belt for safety, etcetera.
At a routine checkup with my doctor he told me that I should be using far less weight for health related reasons. My parents have told me something similar. As far as I know I don't have any cardiac issues. Does powerlifting have an adverse effect on health, or do my parents/doctor not know what they're talking about?
Okay. I have a feeling people may laugh or....something. I don't know. I've wanted to seriously build for awhile now, but wanted to wait till I was a little older so I could have a fully developed body. (IE Bones all fully grown and such) before I started anything.
Now I'm 1.8m tall and weigh around 79-80KG.
Only workout's I get are on construction sites moving bricks and slabs, materials and such, nothing super intensive.
Now here's a picture of me. (I apologize for the horrible quality and lighting, it's literally the ONLY picture I have of me with my entire self in it. I also apologize for the pose. I was very drunk.)
ANYWAY!
[img_thumb]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24068366/1me.jpg[/img_thumb]
Now if anyone wishes to get their chuckles feel free. If you can't laugh at yourself why laugh at all I say. But on a serious note. Would my current build be worth working on, or should I start putting on more weight? When I say bigger I don't mean like Arnold size. Just generally bigger and more definition (Mainly on the chest)
Also an FYI. I have no intention of using Steroids. I just don't roll that way.
[QUOTE=Thaard;37594224]If not for BCAA's, what should I take pre-workout? The site says it's unwise to train completely fasted.[/QUOTE]
Creatine.... Nothing else besides maybe some Yohimbe / EC stack. It's his preference, as I've said, not an absolute guideline rule.
[editline]9th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thaard;37594854]So if I take a bowl of oats with non-fat milk and coffee, it's just as good?[/QUOTE]
Yes, if that's according to him 25-30% of your daily caloric requirements. You could train fasted, that would increase results I suppose if weight-loss is your primary goal here.
[editline]9th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;37596601]Okay. I have a feeling people may laugh or....something. I don't know. I've wanted to seriously build for awhile now, but wanted to wait till I was a little older so I could have a fully developed body. (IE Bones all fully grown and such) before I started anything.
Now I'm 1.8m tall and weigh around 79-80KG.
Only workout's I get are on construction sites moving bricks and slabs, materials and such, nothing super intensive.
Now here's a picture of me. (I apologize for the horrible quality and lighting, it's literally the ONLY picture I have of me with my entire self in it. I also apologize for the pose. I was very drunk.)
ANYWAY!
[img_thumb]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24068366/1me.jpg[/img_thumb]
Now if anyone wishes to get their chuckles feel free. If you can't laugh at yourself why laugh at all I say. But on a serious note. Would my current build be worth working on, or should I start putting on more weight? When I say bigger I don't mean like Arnold size. Just generally bigger and more definition (Mainly on the chest)
Also an FYI. I have no intention of using Steroids. I just don't roll that way.[/QUOTE]
I would get myself to 10% regardless of mass.
[editline]9th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=devcon;37596149]So I've got a problem with my current weight lifting situation.
I've been doing powerlifting and pushing a high-protein diet for the past few months or so and I've gotten to the point where I can max 5 reps at or around 3x my lean body weight with smith squats.
I use proper technique, use a belt for safety, etcetera.
At a routine checkup with my doctor he told me that I should be using far less weight for health related reasons. My parents have told me something similar. As far as I know I don't have any cardiac issues. Does powerlifting have an adverse effect on health, or do my parents/doctor not know what they're talking about?[/QUOTE]
You work at a construction site, how is that any different? If you're using good form, there's no additional harm anymore than the risk of falling down the stairs.
Just do the plank instead of sit ups.
Plank is a great full body exercise but I'd do weighted ab wheel too for building bigger abs.
[QUOTE=devcon;37596149]
I've been doing powerlifting and pushing a high-protein diet for the past few months or so and I've gotten to the point where I can max 5 reps at or around 3x my lean body weight with smith squats.
[/QUOTE]
5 reps with 3x LBM with a few months of training is quite alot. I bet you aren't going very deep down. Besides, you should squat with a free barbell. Smith isn't safer, does not improve your balance and the movement is unnatural. If you fail to do a rep you can't get away from under the bar as easily as you could with a barbell.
guys I have a problem.
I tried doing clean-style front squats today but the bar hurts the fuck out of my collar bones, towards the top of my shoulder. i'm keeping my elbows as high up as I can but I still couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. feedback pls?
If it's the collarbone itself that hurts and not stiffness around the shoulders, back, wrists then you could put a towel or something... It's a matter of getting used to it.
[url]http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/troubleshooting_the_front_squat[/url]
I find this line relevant to your description; [i]I feel a sharp pain on my collarbone. Do you think one of those bar pads might help?
Dude. Do not use the bar pad (a.k.a. the Maxi-Pad, the tampon) unless you're ready to turn in your man card and add the Oprah network to your cable package.
You probably aren't keeping your elbows up as much as you should, which is causing the bar to slide down onto your collarbone. Ideally, the weight should be resting in a nice groove on the anterior deltoids. Try working in some hands-free front squats to help reinforce proper bar position.[/i]
[QUOTE=Maucer;37600554]Plank is a great full body exercise but I'd do weighted ab wheel too for building bigger abs.
5 reps with 3x LBM with a few months of training is quite alot. I bet you aren't going very deep down. Besides, you should squat with a free barbell. Smith isn't safer, does not improve your balance and the movement is unnatural. If you fail to do a rep you can't get away from under the bar as easily as you could with a barbell.[/QUOTE]
I'm just sort of naturally big in the legs so it comes fairly easily to me. I'd do barbell squats but my gym doesn't have a rack for those. I do full reps afaik, had a trainer look over my form.
[QUOTE=Seith]You work at a construction site, how is that any different?[/QUOTE]
Huh?
[QUOTE=devcon;37602205]I'm just sort of naturally big in the legs so it comes fairly natural to me. I'd do barbell squats but my gym doesn't have a rack for those. I do full reps afaik, had a trainer look over my form.
Huh?[/QUOTE]
Confused you for the other guy. Regardless, there are risks with everything you do... You could die going down the stairs, yet you still do it fast and by not holding the rails along side it.
[QUOTE=Seith;37602188]If it's the collarbone itself that hurts and not stiffness around the shoulders, back, wrists then you could put a towel or something... It's a matter of getting used to it.
[url]http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/troubleshooting_the_front_squat[/url]
I find this line relevant to your description; [i]I feel a sharp pain on my collarbone. Do you think one of those bar pads might help?
Dude. Do not use the bar pad (a.k.a. the Maxi-Pad, the tampon) unless you're ready to turn in your man card and add the Oprah network to your cable package.
You probably aren't keeping your elbows up as much as you should, which is causing the bar to slide down onto your collarbone. Ideally, the weight should be resting in a nice groove on the anterior deltoids. Try working in some hands-free front squats to help reinforce proper bar position.[/i][/QUOTE]
that was a pretty good read, but I still couldn't quite pinpoint my issue. I took a pic and circled where i'm talking about:
[img]http://niggaupload.com/images/yTOt8.jpg[/img]
maybe I have the bar up too high? or my shoulders are too small? or maybe I just need to man up. shit idk
think i'm gonna stick to frankenstein squats though, those don't hurt at all
Why not just do regular squats?
I'm taking up oly lifting when I start college, figured I'd try to get a head start lol
Started P90X Lean program as I lost all motivation again and the videos will help me do what needs to be done. First day just finished, 89 days left. Sweating like a pig, which is good, although I almost passed out in the middle which isn't that good, but that's mostly because it's 3.30 am now. My ungodly sleeping schedule forces me to do this. A couple minute's rest got me back in shape though, so I could finish the work out.
I've joined up with a boxing group that trains every saturday. Are there any workout routines or exercises I could do during the week to improve my punches and my overall muscle coordination?
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;37610888]I've joined up with a boxing group that trains every saturday. Are there any workout routines or exercises I could do during the week to improve my punches and my overall muscle coordination?[/QUOTE]
yes
boxing
Need some technique-advice on my squatz.
[video=youtube;e8RzNXXff2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8RzNXXff2w[/video]
You're practically falling to the floor. If you control your descent you can utilize more of your glutes. Right now you're bouncing off your calves to make it easier to push back up. I bet if you try and control the descent you'll see your glutes are your weakest point.
Also, at the higher weights you can clearly see you are practically good morningin the weight. Push your elbows directly under the bar and this will allow more upper back tighetning and better form (less good morningin)
Seems like you guys never heard of atg squats. You're allowed to use the bounce you get, and the belt is necessary because 100kg is my max rep and shit's starting to go down around 90kg's and I need my core tight. And my shoulders ARE directly under the bar!
Look at this:
[video][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8JvQr06304[/URL][/video]
I feel like with ATG squats you don't control the negative portion of the rep which from my experience is very helpful to gaining size and strength. Correct me if I'm wrong but I always think you should try to control the downward motion of exercises, especially squat.
[QUOTE=swat99;37615541]I feel like with ATG squats you don't control the negative portion of the rep which from my experience is very helpful to gaining size and strength. Correct me if I'm wrong but I always think you should try to control the downward motion of exercises, especially squat.[/QUOTE]
yeah, all those olympic weightlifters sure don't have any strength or control!
They do but you don't
[QUOTE=swat99;37615690]They do but you don't[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the constructive critique dude, it helps me a lot. Also, I do.
Don't be a sarcastic asshole next time and maybe people will be more inclined to help you. Enjoy your "gains" bro, just let me know when you're ready to start actually lifting
[QUOTE=swat99;37615804]Don't be a sarcastic asshole next time and maybe people will be more inclined to help you. Enjoy your "gains" bro, just let me know when you're ready to start actually lifting[/QUOTE]
Yeah, show me some of your AWESOME lifts bro!
ATG squats are legit in stronglifts and a main component of building olympic lifters(that and front squats). Don't know why guys got so much hate against it. I know my technique isn't "perfect" but I've been only lifting half a year, so I'm working on it. And, I'd like to see one of you maintain perfect technique on 1rm's and such.
Also funny, that I got a lot of compliments on both /fit/ and fitocracy(by professional powerlifters).
Why ask for some advice if all you're going to do is jump down the throats of people who offer it to you? It's fucking absurd.
I was commenting on your technique. The term is ATG not ATGAFAP(ASS TO GRASS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE)
Explosiveness is irrelevant for someone trying to get some size on. Also, those corrections were made in context of what I know is a safer squat. A safe squat emphasizes glutes rather than quads and I was referring to your elbows. Try squatting my way and maybe you'll find it more better in the long run.
[editline]10th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=loopoo;37616198]Why ask for some advice if all you're going to do is jump down the throats of people who offer it to you? It's fucking absurd.[/QUOTE]
He could have responded differently, but that is completely irrelevant as I really find anything besides weights on here a waste of my time. I don't care how people ask questions or respond to criticism as long as it stays within range of Weightlifting and Nutrition.
[QUOTE=Thaard;37615872]Yeah, show me some of your AWESOME lifts bro!
ATG squats are legit in stronglifts and a main component of building olympic lifters(that and front squats). Don't know why guys got so much hate against it. I know my technique isn't "perfect" but I've been only lifting half a year, so I'm working on it. And, I'd like to see one of you maintain perfect technique on 1rm's and such.
Also funny, that I got a lot of compliments on both /fit/ and fitocracy(by professional powerlifters).[/QUOTE]
Actually I do maintain perfect technique on my 1rm, it's called practicing good form.
[QUOTE=Thaard;37615612]yeah, all those olympic weightlifters sure don't have any strength or control![/QUOTE]
If your main goal is explosiveness then you should have said so. Unless, you're not and you're using this just to suck it up his ass, which I find moronic as he was trying to help.
[QUOTE=Seith;37616242]I was commenting on your technique. The term is ATG not ATGAFAP(ASS TO GRASS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE)
Explosiveness is irrelevant for someone trying to get some size on. Also, those corrections were made in context of what I know is a safer squat. A safe squat emphasizes glutes rather than quads and I was referring to your elbows. Try squatting my way and maybe you'll find it more better in the long run.
[editline]10th September 2012[/editline]
He could have responded differently, but that is completely irrelevant as I really find anything besides weights on here a waste of my time. I don't care how people ask questions to respond to criticism as long as it stays within range of Weightlifting and Nutrition.[/QUOTE]
To me it sounded like my squats were shit and I didn't use any technique or strength at all. Maybe I'm taking this too serious, or my feedback was too crass. If so, then I'm sorry.
I'm squatting ATG because it feels better for me than regular squat. And yes, I'm going for explosivenes and strength. I'm going to join an Oly lifting club soon, so I need it.
[editline]10th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=swat99;37616284]Actually I do maintain perfect technique on my 1rm, it's called practicing good form.[/QUOTE]
Post a video then, I want to see!
Then the way you lift makes sense in context of explosiveness. Keep it up, looks pretty solid.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcEsmhVag1c[/media]
Oly lifters can control the weight if they want to... and still be explosive as fuck. ;)
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