Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.4 - I wanna look like that guy from Fight Club
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"Sports recovery drinks" like Gatorade are often sugary and shit like everything else. Best recovery drink in the world is water.
Don't know if its late but still
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[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38149161]it's not retarded to think that.. you're just condescending, which is the ultimate downfall of these forums.
i read an article somewhere that discusses how low intensity cardio burns less muscle than high intensity cardio. if that statement is true, then cardio, in fact, burns muscle under certain circumstances. ultimately, muscle catabolizes to discard the weakest cells and reanabolizes once your nitrogen balance raises back to normal, aka once you eat.[/QUOTE]
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i read an article somewhere that discusses how low intensity cardio burns less muscle than high intensity cardio. if that statement is true, then cardio, in fact, burns muscle under certain circumstances. ultimately, muscle catabolizes to discard the weakest cells and reanabolizes once your nitrogen balance raises back to normal, aka once you eat.[/QUOTE]
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if that statement is true, then cardio, in fact, burns muscle under certain circumstances. [/QUOTE]
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under certain circumstances. [/QUOTE]
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[B] [I]certain circumstances[/I] [/B] [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Shovelpass;38150208]"Sports recovery drinks" like Gatorade are often sugary and shit like everything else. Best recovery drink in the world is water.[/QUOTE]
Gonna stick with water then.
Dammit, my dad has bought a 5 liter container of apple juice, drank about 2 dl of it, tastek really sugared in comparison with the apple I ate alongside of it.
Apples have a whole hell of a lot of sugar in them as well. Around the same amount as a soda, only reason why apples aren't viewed negatively is because people don't eat 8 apples a day like they do with sodas.
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;38150208]"Sports recovery drinks" like Gatorade are often sugary and shit like everything else. Best recovery drink in the world is water.[/QUOTE]
shuttling glucose into your muscles immediately after workout, aka during recovery, is what you should do. gatorade is fructose or dextrose or some shit though, so gatorade obviously isn't ideal. but water aint gonna fill up your glucose stores in your muscle cells, that's for sure.
[editline]23rd October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;38152068]Apples have a whole hell of a lot of sugar in them as well. Around the same amount as a soda, only reason why apples aren't viewed negatively is because people don't eat 8 apples a day like they do with sodas.[/QUOTE]
apples have about 20g of sugar in them vs a banana that has about 50g of sugar. so id say a banana is much closer to a can of soda. except for the high fructose corn syrup part...
[editline]23rd October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;38151505][editline]23rd October 2012[/editline][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38149161]it's not retarded to think that.. you're just condescending, which is the ultimate downfall of these forums.
i read an article somewhere that discusses how low intensity cardio burns less muscle than high intensity cardio. if that statement is true, then cardio, in fact, burns muscle under certain circumstances. ultimately, muscle catabolizes to discard the weakest cells and reanabolizes once your nitrogen balance raises back to normal, aka once you eat.[/QUOTE]
Whatttt bunch of mambo jambo..... Muscle catabolizes to discard of weakest cell??? Youve just lost all credibility. Body turns anabolic when u put something in you, it has nothing to do with ur nitrogen balance...... Nitrogen is a by product of protein synthesis and its output is dependant on whether ur body needs more, less or nothing at all
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Why do you need to shuttle glucose "immediately" and why is it superior to any other form of carb at the post workout period? Personnallyy ive seen no difference according to studies on glycogen synthesis that find glucose superior.....
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Why do you need to shuttle glucose "immediately" and why is it superior to any other form of carb at the post workout period? Personnallyy ive seen no difference according to studies on glycogen synthesis that find glucose superior.....[/QUOTE]
This.
Also, the period of elevated protein synthesis after a workout actually lasts between 24-48 hours. Recovery occurs during that time, there's no need to get things in directly after a workout or whatever.
[QUOTE=Chrille;38147771]Don't smoke at parties if you plan on stopping. Not going to happen.
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this is wrong you can stop easily with still having an odd one now and then
i used to smoke then realised it was gay as fuark so stopped and sometimes have one at a party or if i go out drinking but very rarely can be bothered to have a cig
it depends on your strength to stop its easy just don't be a wimp
[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38154049]Whatttt bunch of mambo jambo..... Muscle catabolizes to discard of weakest cell??? Youve just lost all credibility. Body turns anabolic when u put something in you, it has nothing to do with ur nitrogen balance...... Nitrogen is a by product of protein synthesis and its output is dependant on whether ur body needs more, less or nothing at all
[editline]23rd October 2012[/editline]
Why do you need to shuttle glucose "immediately" and why is it superior to any other form of carb at the post workout period? Personnallyy ive seen no difference according to studies on glycogen synthesis that find glucose superior.....[/QUOTE]
oh no, not another one. using glucose rather than fructose or sucrose is beneficial because all sugars are converted into glucose within the body inevitably, so by taking glucose, you are cutting out one step between the time you digest the food and the moment it arrives in your glycogen stores. no, i don't know if the amount of time that specific step takes even takes much time at all, but it is still in fact less efficient nonetheless.
aaand upon investigating lactic acid i found out that lactic acid in the muscles postworkout only can be flushed out through the process of diffusion. it can only do that with water. so, hahaha, you're absolutely correct that water is better than glucose immediately post workout until the lactic acid is flushed from your system and your glycogen stores free up for glucose to rush in.
[url]http://college.holycross.edu/faculty/kprestwi/exphys/lecture/ExPhysEx2Lect_pdf/ExPhys_03_M08_lac_remove.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;38147016]So my girlfriend wanted me to quit smoking and I agreed with that, so when I left her place I had my final habit-cig (we probably are going to smoke at parties or something).
Another thing was that she would like to see me having a proper sixpack. So now I'm aiming for that.
I guess that I've had a good start today to it all.
As I had the fun times late at night at her place, then I went running high intensity training style and which got my heart pounding like a jackhammer and also got me coughing up a lot, my H.I.T. run was also at bit too long.
Other stuff today will be changing the car tires and Krav Maga class.
On the part of eating I've had a yoghurt, coffee, minced meat beef and a salad, an apple, a can of tuna with veggies, beans & chili and 3 pieces of dark chocolate. I've also drank half a bottle of a sports recovery drink and plan on drinking the other half after my KM class. Also going to eat a fajita before my KM.
Tomorrow I've planned on going for another H.I.T. run in the morning and to the gym in the evening.
I'll gladly take in some advice.[/QUOTE]
post a pic of current abdomen
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38155393]oh no, not another one. using glucose rather than fructose or sucrose is beneficial because all sugars are converted into glucose within the body inevitably, so by taking glucose, you are cutting out one step between the time you digest the food and the moment it arrives in your glycogen stores. no, i don't know if the amount of time that specific step takes even takes much time at all, but it is still in fact less efficient nonetheless.
aaand upon investigating lactic acid i found out that lactic acid in the muscles postworkout only can be flushed out through the process of diffusion. it can only do that with water. so, hahaha, you're absolutely correct that water is better than glucose immediately post workout until the lactic acid is flushed from your system and your glycogen stores free up for glucose to rush in.
[url]http://college.holycross.edu/faculty/kprestwi/exphys/lecture/ExPhysEx2Lect_pdf/ExPhys_03_M08_lac_remove.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Dude, how is glucose any better when ive told u glycogen synthesis is about the same with all types?
Also, by that logic would u say milk is obsolete while whey is superior??
Heavy HIIT (even moderate cardio) causes muscle damage and increases amino acid consumption just like heavy weight training, plus protein during/before heavy cardio increases performance. So whatever you do, make sure you get enough protein too. One reason why people keep on thinking cardio burns muscle, is because many, especially long distance, runners feed themselves with nothing but carbs and of course, inevitably will lose muscle.
[url]http://www.poweringmuscles.com/Sports-Science-48,Carb-protein_Supplementation_Enhances_Cycling_Performance.html[/url]
[url]http://www.poweringmuscles.com/Sports-Science-19,Carb-protein_Sports_Gel_Increase_Endurance_13percent.html[/url]
[url]http://www.poweringmuscles.com/Sports-Science-65,Carb-protein_Drink_Builds_Muscle_After_Aerobic_Exercise.html[/url]
[url]http://www.poweringmuscles.com/Sports-Science-70,Carb-protein_Sports_Drink_Boosts_Late_Time_Trial_Performance.html[/url]
[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38161049]Dude, how is glucose any better when ive told u glycogen synthesis is about the same with all types?
Also, by that logic would u say milk is obsolete while whey is superior??[/QUOTE]
whey is obviously superior to casein protein in terms of digestion rate if that's what you're asking. I'm not discrediting fructose and sucrose, but I feel like it's beating around the bush a tad. I may be acting overly-meticulous though.
"Glycogenesis is the process of glycogen synthesis, in which glucose molecules are added to chains of glycogen for storage." and keyword, "about the same". Yeah I agree it might not make much of a difference at all, but it obviously makes sense that you are cutting out a conversion process by eating glucose instead of sucrose or fructose.
[QUOTE=Barbarian887;38156565]post a pic of current abdomen[/QUOTE]
I doubt that what I'm striving for currently will take long if I keep this pace up.
Also today's working out: Changing car tires got moved today instead, so there was that, then pushing and lifting boats at a storage, H.I.T. running and I'm going to the gym in half an hour or so.
Meals, protein curd and green tea for breakfast, a meat and vegetables fajita, a tangerine, a fiber yoghurt, rye bread with turkey and cucumber (no butter or margarine) and a chicken salad.
I'll try to post a pic of my abdomen when I get an opportunity for it.
But if I were to describe it verbally: Visible abs but really dependent on proper lighting.
So if I take a pic I will take 2 pics one in good light and one in bad light.
damn, my bucket of whey is empty. fuck fuck fuck fuck. Good thing I have an extra jar in case of emergency.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38164190]whey is obviously superior to casein protein in terms of digestion rate if that's what you're asking. I'm not discrediting fructose and sucrose, but I feel like it's beating around the bush a tad. I may be acting overly-meticulous though.
"Glycogenesis is the process of glycogen synthesis, in which glucose molecules are added to chains of glycogen for storage." and keyword, "about the same". Yeah I agree it might not make much of a difference at all, but it obviously makes sense that you are cutting out a conversion process by eating glucose instead of sucrose or fructose.[/QUOTE]
I asked you about whether you think whey is superior because it's the same thing as glucose.
In the end of the day, there's literally no difference. While whey/glucose supposedly may be processed faster, it doesn't affect protein synthesis and there's no added benefit.
If I eat meat for 3 years as POST WORKOUT MEAL and you get whey for 3 years, and we are genetically the same, we would look the same.
Just wondering guys what else i should consider such as protein shakes, diet ect before starting to do the stronglifts 5x5 workout? Bare in mind this will be my first time in a gym in a while! Sorry if this has been answered before! :downs:
a good diet and consistency
[QUOTE=Databanks;38165555]Just wondering guys what else i should consider such as protein shakes, diet ect before starting to do the stronglifts 5x5 workout? Bare in mind this will be my first time in a gym in a while! Sorry if this has been answered before! :downs:[/QUOTE]
Cocaine obviously.
What a day.
Post gym-workout meal: tuna & parsley salad, considering taking an apple.
I did also have one piece of really dark chocolate earlier today, but I'm pretty sure the that there are just positive effects of having one piece of 85% dark chocolate.
Dark chocolate is pretty great.
why would you eat dark chocolate now all that work in the gym is for nothing and you're not going to make any gains whatsoever
Oh NOOOOOO!!!!! My gains!!!! :suicide:
[sp]I'm aware of that dark chocolate is good at helping you lose fat[/sp]
Gotta say that canned tuna & parsley is really damn good.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38164190]whey is obviously superior to casein protein in terms of digestion rate if that's what you're asking. I'm not discrediting fructose and sucrose, but I feel like it's beating around the bush a tad. I may be acting overly-meticulous though.
"Glycogenesis is the process of glycogen synthesis, in which glucose molecules are added to chains of glycogen for storage." and keyword, "about the same". Yeah I agree it might not make much of a difference at all, but it obviously makes sense that you are cutting out a conversion process by eating glucose instead of sucrose or fructose.[/QUOTE]
what hes saying is it appears after all these years of the fitness industry beating the bush about "shuttling" nutrients into the muscle as quickly as possible, that it may not really matter, much, if at all.
slow proteins and sugars don't seem to be any less effective than so called fast protein and carbs. Because we have to remember even whey isolate, still takes quite a few hours to digest.
[url]http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/casein-hydrolysate-and-anabolic-hormones-and-growth-research-review.html[/url]
this article in particular tears apart the supposedly even faster hydrolised proteins and shows them as actually being inferior.
So after ~4 1/2 months of lifting I'm not going up in weights for exercises as fast...this is a normal occurrence right?
[QUOTE=Pandamox;38166486]why would you eat dark chocolate now all that work in the gym is for nothing and you're not going to make any gains whatsoever[/QUOTE]
nah man its okay im eating like 40 grams of protein a day
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[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;38168365]So after ~4 1/2 months of lifting I'm not going up in weights for exercises as fast...this is a normal occurrence right?[/QUOTE]
yes
eat more
[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38165055]I asked you about whether you think whey is superior because it's the same thing as glucose.
In the end of the day, there's literally no difference. While whey/glucose supposedly may be processed faster, it doesn't affect protein synthesis and there's no added benefit.
If I eat meat for 3 years as POST WORKOUT MEAL and you get whey for 3 years, and we are genetically the same, we would look the same.[/QUOTE]
I suppose it might not effect protein synthesis primarily; why, are you claiming you know an ideal way to increase protein synthesis?
and that would honestly be a good study to do; too bad human cloning is still frowned upon.
[editline]24th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38168029]what hes saying is it appears after all these years of the fitness industry beating the bush about "shuttling" nutrients into the muscle as quickly as possible, that it may not really matter, much, if at all.
slow proteins and sugars don't seem to be any less effective than so called fast protein and carbs. Because we have to remember even whey isolate, still takes quite a few hours to digest.
[url]http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/casein-hydrolysate-and-anabolic-hormones-and-growth-research-review.html[/url]
this article in particular tears apart the supposedly even faster hydrolised proteins and shows them as actually being inferior.[/QUOTE]
good article.
"Finally, a larger amount of the casein hydrolysate was used by the splanchnic bed (gut and intestines) with significantly less of the total protein reaching the bloodstream or peripheral tissues (muscles)."
That sounds awful. Well thank god I drink whole milk for life.
I love how Optimum Nutrition upsells the fuck outta their 'Hydro-Whey', whilst this article just poops on the number one rated supplement company for the past couple years. That's sad.
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I was a small guy 135 pound 6 ft tall. Bulked up for a year or so to 170.
Looked good etc. I slacked off for awhile and got really sick and now I'm at 155.
Is getting gains back easier then the first time around? Because it took quite a long time. Would really like to be 170 again.
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