Making Facepunch better - Don't post about ratings
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with this ratings thing can the rules in sh be a lot tighter
ban any and all thread fluff
[editline]8th July 2015[/editline]
fuck, make it so the post reply button is grayed out unless the post meets a minimum word count
Never got a response to the 👌 rating idea. It would literally fix every possible problem the forum has. Name one thing that could go wrong. Exactly, you can't!
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48151955]with this ratings thing can the rules in sh be a lot tighter
ban any and all thread fluff
[editline]8th July 2015[/editline]
fuck, make it so the post reply button is grayed out unless the post meets a minimum word count[/QUOTE]
I dunno, there are a handful of users in there who make a funny post and are actually funny. BDA comes to mind.
And then of course there's Mein Bratwurst but I think he's a bit of an outlier.
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48151955]with this ratings thing can the rules in sh be a lot tighter
ban any and all thread fluff
[editline]8th July 2015[/editline]
fuck, make it so the post reply button is grayed out unless the post meets a minimum word count[/QUOTE]
Why not just remove the post button :v:
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;48151902]Honestly, I'm glad ratings are gone from SH. I'm pretty sick of people implying that my [B]opinion [/B]is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Your opinion [B]can[/B] be wrong though. If it is your opinion that black people are inherently worse than asian people, you'd be wrong. If it was your opinion that boiling water can't hurt you, you'd be wrong.
Opinions can be correct or incorrect based on what they are actually about. Not all opinions maybe, but a good subset of them. Besides, without ratings people will just tell you why you're wrong anyway like they used to.
[QUOTE=dai;48151845]you're pretty high on the list of people renowned for stirring shit up with dissenting opinions and how you present your arguments[/QUOTE]
Regardless of which, he has a point.
Also, I'm pretty certain his opinions are just really radical so everyone's jimmy's get upset that he really believes in all that crazy shit.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48151989]Your opinion [B]can[/B] be wrong though. If it is your opinion that black people are inherently worse than asian people, you'd be wrong. If it was your opinion that boiling water can't hurt you, you'd be wrong.
Opinions can be correct or incorrect based on what they are actually about. Not all opinions maybe, but a good subset of them. Besides, without ratings people will just tell you why you're wrong anyway like they used to.[/QUOTE]
i don't really consider that an opinion but more of just something false. But good point anyways.
[QUOTE=Explosions;48151891]The only time I've ever butted heads with you was when - surprise surprise - we disagreed on something. Suddenly I'm "shitposting." Go figure.[/QUOTE]
ah yes, that time I butted heads with you, where I didn't post a thing in a thread while you butted heads with everyone else over your inflammatory "isis is people, they don't deserve to be hurt/killed" rhetoric for 4 pages and inflated the mod reports by 30 posts in under a day
anybody who disagrees is just butthurt and considers opposition 'shitposting', it's just pure logic and can't have anything to do with your attitude
I feel like the decisions that have done the opposite of making Facepunch better, are the very decisions that the community had no input on.
I thought the ratings were useful, I could skim down SH and get an idea if a thread was shit or not just from the ratings.
brng back this rating system
[img]http://i.imgur.com/DA3fBwU.png[/img]
For SH can you reimplement agree, disagree and informative? I understand you removed the ratings there to stop people spamming ratings but agree and disagree will help discussion I feel, stopping 5 people posting "your wrong" or "i agree". Maybe even just include an agree rating there.
Bring back smartness, it was fun.
please move hardware and software to be just under general discussion, it's a decent section and has no business being right next to SH and the news node
obviously garry is doing that on purpose to spite you dirty computer nerds :v:
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48152073]please move hardware and software to be just under general discussion, it's a decent section and has no business being right next to SH and the news node[/QUOTE]
The problem is if we move it, we'll get a huge influx of people who click it while expecting FT or ITNN because of muscle memory
We're caught between shit and a gross place
[QUOTE=lavacano;48152086]The problem is if we move it, we'll get a huge influx of people who click it while expecting FT or ITNN because of muscle memory
We're caught between shit and a gross place[/QUOTE]
it's kind of worth it though
i get the feeling lots of people just see fast threads/SH and then their eyes dart down the page to go to GGD or whatever
I've never really been bothered by any of the changes made to facepunch since I first came (and hell, there's been a fucking shitload of MASSIVE changes) and to be honest pretty much all of em have worked really well, even removing the forums into GD, but I reckon the ratings should stay... they're literally more relevant to SH than any other part of the site because it's all about peoples opinions and seeing what people think about current affairs.
Is there a way to just implement a few of them? Like only agree and disagree? It's just one of those little touches that makes FP, FP and not just some other forum. Like the fact we don't have signatures.
Granted it's only in SH so it's not really that big of a deal but just seems like a weird decision to me because they're actually useful there I think.
SH ratings really helped me know what the read first and fit with my current mood.
Like if I was on break at work and wanted to read something funny, I'd check the highest funnied threads first.
[QUOTE=matt000024;48151974]Never got a response to the 👌 rating idea. It would literally fix every possible problem the forum has. Name one thing that could go wrong. Exactly, you can't![/QUOTE]
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so am i the only one who thinks the 👌 joke has been run into the ground or
Joke?
Excuse me?
👌 is a way of life
9 days since I last banned someone for continually bumping a shit joke rating
I dunno, I don't think it was ratings that were ruining SH. It seems more like it's about protecting shitposters from having their opinions called shit at this point, tbh
Here is a brief insight into how we make decisions about the forum, since it was asked for:
The moderators informally discuss the intended goal, weighing in exactly how we could accomplish whatever we're aiming for. If changes to the layout or features are necessary for that, we talk about the pros and cons, etc, then do a rough vote. If Garry hasn't got anything to add, we order our Web Slave to make the changes. Then we just keep an eye on them for a bit to see if they're getting the desired effects, and tweak from there if necessary. It's a quick and informal process, but it gets the job done.
That ain't to say that you folks aren't included in the process, though. [I]This[/I] is part of that process. That's what this thread is for. You're giving feedback, dropping ideas, being all sassy and shit, and blah blah blah. It's all good, yo.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;48151474]maybe we have lives and we don't have time to read every single post in every single thread and have lives and jobs outside of the internet unlike you[/QUOTE]
Rude!
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48151622]You can argue with me all you want I swear I wont ban. :tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
No promises from me, though. I'm out of control! Nobody can stop me!
I think at least having "Agree", "Disagree" and "Informative" ratings would be useful but if "ratings or not ratings" is the issue then w/e floats your boat
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48152235]Here is a brief insight into how we make decisions about the forum, since it was asked for:
The moderators informally discuss the intended goal, weighing in exactly how we could accomplish whatever we're aiming for. If changes to the layout or features are necessary for that, we talk about the pros and cons, etc, then do a rough vote. If Garry hasn't got anything to add, we order our Web Slave to make the changes. Then we just keep an eye on them for a bit to see if they're getting the desired effects, and tweak from there if necessary. It's a quick and informal process, but it gets the job done.
That ain't to say that you folks aren't included in the process, though. [I]This[/I] is part of that process. That's what this thread is for. You're giving feedback, dropping ideas, being all sassy and shit, and blah blah blah. It's all good, yo.
Rude!
No promises from me, though. I'm out of control! Nobody can stop me![/QUOTE]
who's the web slave? steveuk?
also how do you guys feel about adding more horizontal space for gold avatars
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48152278]who's the web slave? steveuk?
also how do you guys feel about adding more horizontal space for gold avatars[/QUOTE]
Dude, robotguy...
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48152262]I think at least having "Agree", "Disagree" and "Informative" ratings would be useful but if "ratings or not ratings" is the issue then w/e floats your boat[/QUOTE]
We did not remove ratings because we had issues with specific ratings, we removed ratings because the concept is problematic and is not compatible with Sensationalist Headlines. Whatever substitute rating is incorporated — it will seek to replace the prior ratings thus nullifying the original goal.
In addition, people seem to bring up how ratings are an integral part of Facepunch and what makes us unique. I would like to make it clear that ratings are not being removed from Facepunch. They are removed from Sensationalist Headlines only. You may freely rate in the 19 other subforums, within reason.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48152285]Dude, robotguy...[/QUOTE]
oh hahahaha
i just remember hearing at some point that steveuk had alleged access to a private fp web development subforum
I still advocate only showing a rating when you get 3-5 of them. I think that would help people being triggered when someone gives them a dumb. You should get the hint by 3-5. Additionally, have ratings only appear after at least 15 minutes.
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