[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41329515]Of course it should be, it's borderline child abuse. Homeschooling and unschooling deprive kids of communication with other kids, and [U][B]parents can't possibly give kids as much knowledge as competent teachers can[/B][/U][/QUOTE]
With the way many teachers don't give a single shit about teaching, the system as a whole being wholly inferior and counter-productive to learning, and that text books/teachers hold their teachings to the universal truth -- you can frankly learn more from the common Wiki article, while also getting the all important multiple-perspectives on said subject. That's to say nothing of doing some serious archival digging; the internet is a treasure trove of information that a singular teacher and textbook can never hope to compete with.
[QUOTE=Axznma;41621952]With the way many teachers don't give a single shit about teaching, the system as a whole being wholly inferior and counter-productive to learning, and that text books/teachers hold their teachings to the universal truth -- you can frankly learn more from the common Wiki article, while also getting the all important multiple-perspectives on said subject. That's to say nothing of doing some serious archival digging; the internet is a treasure trove of information that a singular teacher and textbook can never hope to compete with.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say that your post presents an argument for homeschooling/unschooling, but instead the notion of putting more of the tax money into schools to get better teachers in school. Don't take up a fight for homeschooling, take up a fight for better teachers
Better teachers will never come.
Unless you change out teachers like every three years or so, they'll become cynical with how people act in classrooms and such. This causes them to stop really carrying about what they are teaching, and care more about the paycheck that they are suppose to receive.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41625164]Better teachers will never come.
Unless you change out teachers like every three years or so, they'll become cynical with how people act in classrooms and such. This causes them to stop really carrying about what they are teaching, and care more about the paycheck that they are suppose to receive.[/QUOTE]
I have had several old teachers, that had been teachers on the same school in the same course for several years. They were very passionate and tried to teach the classes. They were inspiring.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41625164]Better teachers will never come.
Unless you change out teachers like every three years or so, they'll become cynical with how people act in classrooms and such. This causes them to stop really carrying about what they are teaching, and care more about the paycheck that they are suppose to receive.[/QUOTE]
You've probably had crap teachers then. Some of the old (i.e within a few years of retirement) ones at my school were pretty passionate.
[QUOTE=Cureless;41405574]I don't think it should be illegal.
School can help a person, but almost everything I know/use in my life I learned myself. School was fucking useless for me except teaching me how terrible human beings can behave.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, I believe that children should be sent to school for atleast bare minimum K-12 schooling, whether it be [B]certified[/B] homeschooling, public, private, etc. Having an education system supports and compliments standards in our society for employment, companies, further education and general 'benchmarks' of people. If you are to function in society with atleast a bare minimum knowledge to do your work, make a living or contribute to society even if it is just hard labor.
Now, we do have the GED for dropped out high schoolers which is legitimate and a great go/no-go for adolences/young-adults to enter into society with atleast some certificate saying they have basic knowledge. Even if they gained that knowledge through self-study Wikipedia or some old textbooks lying around their house.
TL;DR Unschooling is a gamble at education for children/young-adults, it may work it may not work. However traditional schooling (Homeschooled, public or otherwise), despite its flaws is the 'lesser' of two evils (Or should I say, more reliable of the two)
I was unschooled for a small portion of my life.
Aside from making the occasional dumbass comments ("FIRST black president of South Africa?") I think I turned out pretty well; I'm a programmer, taking calculus, am 17, and own the 50,000th most popular site in the world.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41329515]Of course it should be, it's borderline child abuse. Homeschooling and unschooling deprive kids of communication with other kids, and parents can't possibly give kids as much knowledge as competent teachers can[/QUOTE]
I just came into this thread, this post is 4 weeks old but I don't really care and I'm going to respond to it anyway.
I'm home schooled, the reaction I usually get is "Oh." or odd looks from people, because most people will assume I'm either as dumb as a brick or so socially stunted I couldn't hold a conversation for more than a minute. This is completely wrong and I'm very very glad I was home schooled, I see kids who've gone through the public education system, it's basically a factory. I've had amazing opportunities as a home schooler, I can actually get out in the world, learn through experience, I had so much free time to read books and watch movies and I've learned so much on my own and from text books that I've gotten. I took classes on economics and government from a college professor when I was high school level for fuck's sake. And yes, I might not be very sociable, but that's me. I'm quiet, I think a lot, I read a lot, I learn a lot. And I'm perfectly happy with that.
No, homeschooling shouldn't be banned. and I know an unschooler who was coding computers and working with machinery when he was 16, I can't speak for other countries, but in the U.S.A. I guarantee you that if he had gone to a public school that creativity and innovation would've been beaten out of him.
I dropped out of high school at 17 and apart from socialization requiring more effort, it ultimately didn't affect me that much. I make enough of a decent living doing front-end development to survive in NYC and life is pretty normal.
I spent a lot of time skipping school to learn independently, which was important. If someone's unschooling involves doing nothing, it probably won't end well, but I hear that's not typically how it goes.
Wow, amazing, I had no idea what schooling was until I found this thread. I can't believe so many people on facepunch were unschooled.
I posted a thread about my situation as a unschooled kid. I'm not a very good example of a unschooled kid so I'll just post this link and leave.
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1305505[/url]
[quote]I've never been to school. My parents never even home schooled me, I was simply put in front of computer and I've had to learn everything myself my entire life. I learned to read and write by basically playing runescape and other video games, even though, my grammar isn't much to talk about.
Ever since I was born I've been almost completely socially isolated. I've never had any friends (excluding a few I met online.) You can imagine how depressed I am sometimes.
Now I'm 18. I picked up playing guitar a year and a few months ago. I've been trying to make it my life goal to be good at just one thing and I'm hoping that is it. I also want to go to college sometime in the future, but, as I have never been to school or anything like that so does that mean I can't get in because I don't have gcses or whatever? I don't even know what they are. If so, is there some way I can take them? how long will it take? will I be 30 at the end of this?
Thank you!
[editline]7th September 2013[/editline]
Also a side note; I want to go to college for music and to meet some people, as I've never really had any friends.[/quote]
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