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[QUOTE=GarrysModRP;51038776]As far as I know I'm the only non-Leo here.[/QUOTE] Sure buddy

[QUOTE=darksoul69;51038778]And this is why I'm so mistrusting of you. When I worked for brohoster we had a team of 10 or so. When the times got rough and Facepunch started making threads about how bad things were getting we stuck to it until the end regardless of the utter shit matthew threw at us. Because if we were to quit with no notice literally all 3000+ clients would have been totally and utterly fucked. Yet, here you are saying you quit over this thread 2-3 pages in? And you're still defending leo. It's strange.[/QUOTE] Once again, I'm not defending him, I'm simply pointing out that Leo being RayChamp makes 0 sense. Maybe he is maybe he isn't. Maybe you should talk to him then screen cap the logs and post them here like you did with me. I quit not only because this thread but I now see how sketchy his operation was and what kind of person he is. I do not want to be affiliated with him any longer. You're comparing a host with thousands of clients to one with (maybe) 3 workers, possibly 100 clients. There's literally no comparison between Leo's host and the one you worked for.

[QUOTE=nulls;51038804]Once again, I'm not defending him, I'm simply pointing out that Leo being RayChamp makes 0 sense. Maybe he is maybe he isn't. Maybe you should talk to him then screen cap the logs and post them here like you did with me. I quit not only because this thread but I now see how sketchy his operation was and what kind of person he is. I do not want to be affiliated with him any longer. You're comparing a host with thousands of clients to one with (maybe) 3 workers, possibly 100 clients. There's literally no comparison between Leo's host and the one you worked for.[/QUOTE] If you quit because of how sketchy the operation was then, you know, you should tell him you quit rather then rely on him reading this thread and making that assumption. I don't buy your story. But I'm not going to keep dragging out this argument and derail the thread either. [editline]12th September 2016[/editline] I think everyone would welcome having Ray come post his side on here. No reason for us to reach out to him. He can defend himself.

You both sound pretty Leo to me fellas

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51038825]You both sound pretty Leo to me fellas[/QUOTE] Thanks leo!

[QUOTE=darksoul69;51038807]If you quit because of how sketchy the operation was then, you know, you should tell him you quit rather then rely on him reading this thread and making that assumption.[/quote] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1jM1Fo6.jpg[/IMG] There. Also, before you start witch hunting about the above conversation too, that was when Leo asked to advertise IS on my account.

[QUOTE=nulls;51038844] There. Also, before you start witch hunting about the above conversation too, that was when Leo asked to advertise IS on my account.[/QUOTE] Yeahhhh I don't buy your story and that image is likely fake. Unless you really only talked to him one other time for advertising his host. And if that's the case how long ago was that? Months ago? Years ago? Going back to bed now, cya.

[QUOTE=darksoul69;51038858]Yeahhhh I don't buy your story and that image is likely fake. Unless you really only talked to him one other time for advertising his host. And if that's the case how long ago was that? Months ago? Years ago? Going back to bed now, cya.[/QUOTE] Dude, are you serious?

So literally all you ever wrote with him was about that advertising thing and when you quit? Sure Leo.

That is starting to seem a little bit fishy.

[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51038880]So literally all you ever wrote with him was about that advertising thing and when you quit? Sure Leo.[/QUOTE] You guys are legitimately fucking unbelievable. [URL="http://m.imgur.com/gEFc17n,SS1vku1,rM5ZKr5,Z7lXMTf,uwUjApJ,WqsCRH4,Cf1rmPD"]Here[/URL].

nulls, they got you - you're secretly a split personality nutjob. the jig is up.

[QUOTE=nulls;51038904]You guys are legitimately fucking unbelievable. [URL="http://m.imgur.com/gEFc17n,SS1vku1,rM5ZKr5,Z7lXMTf,uwUjApJ,WqsCRH4,Cf1rmPD"]Here[/URL].[/QUOTE] So between September 3rd and today you had no other conversation with him. Not buying it. I talked daily or every other day with anyone I worked with.

[QUOTE=darksoul69;51038925]So between September 3rd and today you had no other conversation with him. Not buying it. I talked daily or every other day with anyone I worked with. Goodnight.[/QUOTE] What do you expect from a "company" that had no management or structure? You're literally paronoid, Jesus Christ. No idea why I tried helping you in the first place.

[QUOTE=nulls;51038904]You guys are legitimately fucking unbelievable. [URL="http://m.imgur.com/gEFc17n,SS1vku1,rM5ZKr5,Z7lXMTf,uwUjApJ,WqsCRH4,Cf1rmPD"]Here[/URL].[/QUOTE] I'll believe it for what it's worth. You have to realize that asserting any certainty in this situation is what made people doubt you, especially given Leo's tendency to shill. So supporting a position so adamantly which might defend Leo didn't go over well. Even when I gave credit to RayChamp, it was based on a reserved doubt. I think it's a little unfair to use an argument from silence to say that just because you didn't speak with him often means it's fake though. Edit: You did however claim to have worked for other hosting groups before though, right? Do you have any form of credible evidence supporting that? I won't say the absence of evidence is evidence of absence, but it would convince me. Edit: I may have misread that information then.

[QUOTE=GarrysModRP;51038979]I'll believe it for what it's worth. You have to realize that asserting any certainty in this situation is what made people doubt you, especially given Leo's tendency to shill. So supporting a position so adamantly which might defend Leo didn't go over well. Even when I gave credit to RayChamp, it was based on a reserved doubt. Edit: You did however claim to have worked for other hosting groups before though, right? Do you have any form of credible evidence supporting that? I won't say the absence of evidence is evidence of absence, but it would convince me.[/QUOTE] No, IS was the only host I worked for.

[QUOTE=nulls;51038948]What do you expect from a "company" that had no management or structure? You're literally paronoid, Jesus Christ. No idea why I tried helping you in the first place.[/QUOTE] Look I understand how my posts are coming off to you and I see that you did modify what imgur is showing. But back when all of the images were active I: 1) Did not see anything on there that would indicate you worked for IS. 2) Did not see anything that indicated your relationship with leo was anything other then friends. 3) There was no discussion regarding the current events around leo, regarding the fact IS is currently offline, nothing regarding work etc. Even back when I hired my first part time employee for Elpis there was sure as hell a lot more discussion going on then that. We kept in contact daily about work and talked about support/tickets all the time. You have zilch in those conversations about client support.

I can't believe Leo worked for the Islamic State under so many different identities

[QUOTE=darksoul69;51039008]Look I understand how my posts are coming off to you and I see that you did modify what imgur is showing. But back when all of the images were active I: 1) Did not see anything on there that would indicate you worked for IS. 2) Did not see anything that indicated your relationship with leo was anything other then friends. 3) There was no discussion regarding the current events around leo, regarding the fact IS is currently offline, nothing regarding work etc. Even back when I hired my first part time employee for Elpis there was sure as hell a lot more discussion going on then that. We kept in contact daily about work and talked about support/tickets all the time. You have zilch in those conversations about client support.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://m.imgur.com/nkqw4fx,uqsxyyY,KQJeTlU,eWH7Lwg,J99XyS7,B6BtNKf"]Here[/URL] are a few more pics. Also I didn't do anything on Imgur, can you show me what you're referring to?

[QUOTE=nulls;51038948]What do you expect from a "company" that had no management or structure? You're literally paronoid, Jesus Christ. No idea why I tried helping you in the first place.[/QUOTE] there wouldn't be suspicion if you weren't defending someone calling leo's website his own, for no seeming reason but that you think someone with [I]years of experience[/I] running proxy server hosts can't possibly have learned some programming along the way

[QUOTE=nulls;51038904]You guys are legitimately fucking unbelievable. [URL="http://m.imgur.com/gEFc17n,SS1vku1,rM5ZKr5,Z7lXMTf,uwUjApJ,WqsCRH4,Cf1rmPD"]Here[/URL].[/QUOTE] Can you blame us? Leo's tangle of lies is immense. It goes back years, over countless fake identities. Basically anybody posting anything even remotely in support or defense of him, his associates, or any of his services is going to be viewed with suspicion.

This thread reads like a game of Werewolves of Millers Hollow, it's great :v:

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51039056]Can you blame us? Leo's tangle of lies is immense. It goes back years, over countless fake identities. Basically anybody posting anything even remotely in support or defense of him, his associates, or any of his services is going to be viewed with suspicion.[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to defend Leo, I'm defending Ray. I don't want him being witch hunted if he didn't know about all this.

[QUOTE=GarrysModRP;51038979]You have to realize that asserting any certainty in this situation is what made people doubt you, especially given Leo's tendency to shill. So supporting a position so adamantly which might defend Leo didn't go over well.[/QUOTE] Dude don't give Leo acting advice!

We've chased this rabbit down its hole far enough in my opinion. I'm confident enough for what it's worth that nulls is not a shill. He simply made some statements which appeared a little more certain than most of us would warrant. If you do some research on nulls, aka MrMarooca, he's got a modest little YouTube channel in which he makes Total Miner: Forge videos. He has plenty of hours on Garry's mod, and he has accounts under that name on other websites spanning years. He's not really condoning Leo either. The only reason to cast doubt was because he kept Leo on his friends list; whether he had any intention to quit, keep talking with him, or even keep him on his friends list today doesn't mean much to me. Similar to RayChamp, he's a little too polished around the edges to be a fraud. We can't rule out that Leo doesn't have access to his account, but if we're to believe Leo maintains the intricate personalities of RayChamp and nulls for years, while maintaining a dozen other aliases and hosting sites, then this kid has more time on his hands than any of us ever imagined.

I'm inclined to agree. Now that that's all taken care of, I'd like to announce my new server hosting service: Intuitive Raiders!

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51039126]I'm inclined to agree. Now that that's all taken care of, I'd like to announce my new server hosting service: Intuitive Raiders![/QUOTE] *two years later* [QUOTE=Big Dumb American |IntuitiveRaiders|;51039126]LOL! I'm not even the owner of Intuitive Raiders. I know the owner and he said not to worry. I just manage the forums and Steam Group.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51039126]I'm inclined to agree. Now that that's all taken care of, I'd like to announce my new server hosting service: Intuitive Raiders![/QUOTE] Cool, can I have the free alibi server?

im leos brother i can confirm that he is NOT the manager of intuitive servers................. he does not work or own at that company

Well, great job everyone. Thank you all very much for your robust investigation and reporting.