I watched four movies last week.
[URL="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0993842/"]Hanna[/URL] 9/10
[URL="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1991245/"]Chernobyl Diaries[/URL] 4/10
[URL="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1637725/"]Ted[/URL] 9/10
[URL="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1567609/"]Get The Gringo[/URL] 9/10
I thought the joker was a much better villain as well. Every scene he is in has tension because you never know what what he might do. Bane was a bit boring, a little weak even after his motives are explained. And that's not Tom Hardy's fault, he was great. Overall I didn't enjoy the dark knight rises nearly as much as the dark knight.
Synecdoche, New York - I am still so fucking confused, crying, laughing and wondering at the same time and entirely in my mind /10
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[QUOTE=Butthurter;38598732]my only real gripe about tdkr was [sp]daggett saying "youre pure evil"
i dont mind banes response to that about him being a necessary evil since it sounds like hes merely relaying his point of view while mixing it with the guys mindset but i just dont get the whole "evil" crap when bane and talia are actually trying to be martyrs for a cause[/sp]
that and [sp]the deputy commissioner smiling like an idiot everytime he makes a stupid decision - i get that he was supposed to be a complete dumbfuck but i dont think dumb people go around smiling like as though they just learned how to poop for the first time, it just seemed really unfitting and felt like it was just forcing viewers to think "wow what a dumb guy" instead of making us see him as an actual person that truly believed in their decisions. this is probably just the actors fault i guess[/sp]
[sp]theres also another plothole thats not been brought up yet i think, talia getting her henchmen to fix up banes mask while shes pressing the detonator - she shouldve fixed him up after she found out the detonator was blocked rather than fixing him up as they were all getting ready to die[/sp][/QUOTE]
He rises twice.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;38592572]I like that Bane wasn't obviously insane.
Antagonist's who are purely insane and have no real motivation are boring as shit, look at Nero from Star Trek 09, the guy was just pure crazy, and that just isn't compelling to me.[/QUOTE]
He was insane enough to blow up a whole city how is that not batshit insane? At least the joker liked to fuck with people's minds and got his enjoyment out of that.
After all, Bane was just like "I'm going to destroy everything"
If you ask me, THAT's boring.
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[QUOTE=Butthurter;38599190]just because he liked it doesnt mean hes not acknowledging the few flaws the movie had
he basically just did with the [sp]"because bane is in love with talia!!!!!"[/sp] quote[/QUOTE]
Yeah I noticed that too late so I edited. Also you forgot him calling people idiots.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38597010][sp]because bane is in love with talia you idiot !!!![/sp][/QUOTE]
That again... was crap.
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Tbh I liked the movie regardless of the villain's lack of any real purpose.
You realise you're trying to make it out that it is better than the first two by moaning rather than getting to the point.
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You all assume I "literally hate" this film. I don't, I was just disappointed it didn't add up as well as the first two.
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You realise you're trying to make it out that it is better than the first two by moaning rather than getting to the point.
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what?? literally everyone has given you valid reasons and you're like
what reasons? where i dont see them?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38599394]what?? literally everyone has given you valid reasons and you're like
what reasons? where i dont see them?[/QUOTE]
so far it's been:
awesome spectacle
such a deep well rounded villain who has cause because he's in "love"
and the hero being so great, with a few fistycuffs in the street even though he wears kevlar armour. :-)
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The moment where [sp]bale is stabbed[/sp] is also pretty dim.
Anne Hathaway was also fairly drab in this.
Skyfall 8.2/10
It was pretty good, had a few laughs, action kept you going and story was pretty good but it didn't feel that much like a Bond film, gunbarrel at the start please :v:.
I'm probably looking at of the perspective of it feels too modern, as I'm used to watching the old Bond films.
Skyfall is defiantly worth watching.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38599394]what?? literally everyone has given you valid reasons and you're like
what reasons? where i dont see them?[/QUOTE]
Your "reason" for his valid point of Bane having no motivation from the very beginning of his story on is that he is [sp]in love with Talia[/sp]
A guy raised in one of the most horrifying prisons ever ([sp]where an injured Batman somehow gets healthy wothout being bothered by inmates at all, and don't give me that "but Bane told them not to touch him" crap, Bane telling the prisoners not to touch Batman completely defies the point of throwing him into the pit, he could have been thrown into a dark prison cell anywhere for that matter.)[/sp], out of Love, mind that, decides to make a totally foreign grudge he had nothing to do with until meeting [sp]Talia[/sp] his own out of LOVE.
How is that a good motivation?
Not only does it make him a stupid fool and victim of love(somewhat tragic, I'll give you that), it also destroys the carefully crafted image of a strong and seemingly genious allmighty villain for Batman to fight, because after all he was just a puppet.
I'll go even further. It raised love as the strongest and overcoming-all motive for him but at the same time counters that point for [sp]Talia as she is willing to end her plan even when Bane is clearly in danger of dying.[/sp]
What is the message here?
Also the whole ending after and in the fight cops vs criminals made no sense whatsoever. The whole cinema I was in went "WHAAT,WHYY?" when [sp]Talia[/sp] did anything.
[QUOTE=Killuah;38599177]Synecdoche, New York - I am still so fucking confused, crying, laughing and wondering at the same time and entirely in my mind /10
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Ahhh I've never seen that movie but the this song is sooo fantastic:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA_ubhYgjAc[/media]
You really should see it
I don't fully agree with Egbert calling it the most important movie of the 2000's and Rushdie certainly has a point when he says that the whole western Arthouse stuff is too pretentious, but nevertheless it is an extremely, how can I say it, stimulating movie.
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I have not fully understood it but the mood of the movie is as if an EXTREMELY sardonic Woodie Allen wrote a fictional biography of someone.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38599412]so far it's been:
awesome spectacle
such a deep well rounded villain who has cause because he's in "love"
and the hero being so great, with a few fistycuffs in the street even though he wears kevlar armour. :-)
[editline]26th November 2012[/editline]
The moment where [sp]bale is stabbed[/sp] is also pretty dim.
Anne Hathaway was also fairly drab in this.[/QUOTE]
Anne Hathaway was pretty fantastic actually, apart from her character ultimately being kind of pointless.
A Scanner Darkly, 10/10
good gravy that was a good film, at times hard to follow but i think that's the point. I loved the rotoscoped, cel-shaded look as well; you know in films that portray drugs where the characters hallucinations look kind of goofy and out of place? It all flowed really well in this movie due to the look of it.
[QUOTE=Killuah;38599822]he was just a puppet.[/QUOTE]
People are puppets.
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[QUOTE=The_Marine;38600106]Anne Hathaway was pretty fantastic actually, apart from her character ultimately being kind of pointless.[/QUOTE]
nice ass, gotta be said.
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[QUOTE=Mooe94;38599826]Ahhh I've never seen that movie[/QUOTE]
that movie was brilliant, never seen anything like it.
Thankskilling 3:
0/10 it was that bad, don't waste your time
Argo - 8/10
Very good movie, a kind of movie I would consider "flawless" one.
I don't mean its the best movie ever, but everything in it is done right.
Sinister - 6.5/10
6.5 might not seem alot but thats the highest ive rated a horror movie so far.
Main problem i've had with horror movies is that theyre just compilation of events with jumpscares every damn minute, like the disgusting paranormal activity that doesnt even offer a proper story
however Sinister nailed the 'disturbing' part that just crawls underneath your skin.
but then again the whole [sp]"oh thats a demon that eats children and takes them into his world" was just such a flaccid explanation[/sp]
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also obviously psycho is my favourite horror movie but im not really keen on calling it a horror movie
CBF spoiler tagging this I am in a hurry - don't read if you haven't seen it.
[QUOTE=Killuah;38599822]Your "reason" for his valid point of Bane having no motivation from the very beginning of his story on is that he is [sp]in love with Talia[/sp]
A guy raised in one of the most horrifying prisons ever ([sp]where an injured Batman somehow gets healthy wothout being bothered by inmates at all, and don't give me that "but Bane told them not to touch him" crap, Bane telling the prisoners not to touch Batman completely defies the point of throwing him into the pit, he could have been thrown into a dark prison cell anywhere for that matter.)[/sp], out of Love, mind that, decides to make a totally foreign grudge he had nothing to do with until meeting [sp]Talia[/sp] his own out of LOVE.
How is that a good motivation?
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Ok what?
First of all Bane tells peopleto leave batman alone in the cave because he wants Bruce to be able to witness gothams descrution, totally powerless. That's why there's a TV there.
It would kind of fuck with Bane's plan if batman just got shanked on the first day and died. He's all about giving false hope and tearing it away. That's how he gets his kicks.
[QUOTE=Killuah;38599822]Not only does it make him a stupid fool and victim of love(somewhat tragic, I'll give you that), it also destroys the carefully crafted image of a strong and seemingly genious allmighty villain for Batman to fight, because after all he was just a puppet.
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No it doesn't? Bane was a prisoner there and he helped Talia escape out of passion. He's a bad dude with a soft spot for a certain someone - how is that strange? It's not exactly uncommon for a villain to have a love. And that also doesn't negate any of their brutality either, it's not just black and white. He may well have been manipulated by her though. He might be a little tragic in the end. But that doesn't hurt his terrifying image in retrospect. It just sheds more light on his character. You feel for him then, but when you go back and watch it from the start he's still terrifying and intimidating.
[QUOTE=Killuah;38599822]I'll go even further. It raised love as the strongest and overcoming-all motive for him but at the same time counters that point for [sp]Talia as she is willing to end her plan even when Bane is clearly in danger of dying.[/sp]
What is the message here?
Also the whole ending after and in the fight cops vs criminals made no sense whatsoever. The whole cinema I was in went "WHAAT,WHYY?" when [sp]Talia[/sp] did anything.[/QUOTE]
The message is that they're both victims of their own obsession, willing to die for eachother and willing to do anything for their cause. I don't know how having a tragic love story counters their villainnness. It just gives them more, and appropriate depth.
I feel like you and AK'z are just missing some obvious subtext of the film and are looking at what's on the surface and just being like THATS DUMB when really it's not dumb at all and everything works and is explained. You just really want to hate it because you thought it was just a big spectacle and nothing more. But that is very much not the case.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;38603023]Argo - 8/10
Very good movie, a kind of movie I would consider "flawless" one.
I don't mean its the best movie ever, but everything in it is done right.[/QUOTE]
I give it a 7/10. Like you said, flawless in its execution. The camera work is great, the acting works well, the plot is fulled developed, but it just didn't hook me as much as I thought it would.
Again, there's nothing wrong with the film; it just wasn't very captivating. Worth the watch, but not something I'd want to add to my movie collection. The thing I thought was the best part of the film was the overall aesthetic. It really captured a late 70s feel. I also thought the editing was great. Honestly, Ben Affleck is starting to shine more as a director than an actor for me.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38604468]CBF spoiler tagging this I am in a hurry - don't read if you haven't seen it.
Ok what?
First of all Bane tells peopleto leave batman alone in the cave because he wants Bruce to be able to witness gothams descrution, totally powerless. That's why there's a TV there.
It would kind of fuck with Bane's plan if batman just got shanked on the first day and died. He's all about giving false hope and tearing it away. That's how he gets his kicks.
No it doesn't? Bane was a prisoner there and he helped Talia escape out of passion. He's a bad dude with a soft spot for a certain someone - how is that strange? It's not exactly uncommon for a villain to have a love. And that also doesn't negate any of their brutality either, it's not just black and white. He may well have been manipulated by her though. He might be a little tragic in the end. But that doesn't hurt his terrifying image in retrospect. It just sheds more light on his character. You feel for him then, but when you go back and watch it from the start he's still terrifying and intimidating.
The message is that they're both victims of their own obsession, willing to die for eachother and willing to do anything for their cause. I don't know how having a tragic love story counters their villainnness. It just gives them more, and appropriate depth.
I feel like you and AK'z are just missing some obvious subtext of the film and are looking at what's on the surface and just being like THATS DUMB when really it's not dumb at all and everything works and is explained. You just really want to hate it because you thought it was just a big spectacle and nothing more. But that is very much not the case.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how everyone calls [I]me[/i] pretentious. :v:
[QUOTE=AK'z;38604714]It's funny how everyone calls [I]me[/i] pretentious. :v:[/QUOTE]
People probably already call you other things.
Pretentious is just one of them.
Rusty is actually being very nice about the whole thing.
Look, I don't hate the film. It just means nothing to me when I watch it. You want to cry about me being a wrong "type of person" to like it, that's your choice.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38604468]CBF spoiler tagging this I am in a hurry - don't read if you haven't seen it.
Ok what?
First of all Bane tells peopleto leave batman alone in the cave because he wants Bruce to be able to witness gothams descrution, totally powerless. That's why there's a TV there.
It would kind of fuck with Bane's plan if batman just got shanked on the first day and died. He's all about giving false hope and tearing it away. That's how he gets his kicks.[/quote]
But then why throw him into that prison in the first place? To me it looks like he was just thrown in there so he could rise. I get the sweet irony and all and it's good for that but it just destroys the image of the worlds worst prison for me. Riddick for example did that much better.
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No it doesn't? Bane was a prisoner there and he helped Talia escape out of passion. He's a bad dude with a soft spot for a certain someone - how is that strange? It's not exactly uncommon for a villain to have a love. And that also doesn't negate any of their brutality either, it's not just black and white. He may well have been manipulated by her though. He might be a little tragic in the end. But that doesn't hurt his terrifying image in retrospect. It just sheds more light on his character. You feel for him then, but when you go back and watch it from the start he's still terrifying and intimidating.
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I understand how one can see it like that but for me it ultimately destroyed the image of a strong villain. The Joker, Dent and Raz were just much more, how do I put it, shining? no. strong? no. Ahh, just ... damn... independently standing on their own as a character.
His soft spot is strange as it has absolutely no influence over the rest of his character. He is basically a Robot that happens to love Talia.
Adding to that: Bane, as a threat, just always seemed so artificial to me, basically he was explained as "well he is just stronger and better trained and has inside knowledge".
And for me, Batman was never really about beating villains that are stronger just by forces, it was always about beating villains who were stronger because they were so different, more ruthless(even Superman at some point in Batman Returns) and just completely opposite of one of the aspects of Batman. Here he just beats a stronger trainee of Raz who is obviously the odd one out but nevertheless justified because he is his teacher.
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The message is that they're both victims of their own obsession, willing to die for eachother and willing to do anything for their cause. I don't know how having a tragic love story counters their villainnness. It just gives them more, and appropriate depth.
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But that's the paradox. The message can never be ultimately true as long as the possibility of their cause interfering with their love exists.
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I feel like you and AK'z are just missing some obvious subtext of the film and are looking at what's on the surface and just being like THATS DUMB when really it's not dumb at all and everything works and is explained. You just really want to hate it because you thought it was just a big spectacle and nothing more. But that is very much not the case.[/QUOTE]
That's really unfair to say.
I'm not trying to assert you of any motives behind your argumentation as that would be bad argueing, yet you say I'm trying to make the movie look bad when all I' doing is stating what I think/thought and feel/felt when I saw it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38604714]It's funny how everyone calls [I]me[/i] pretentious. :v:[/QUOTE]
no it's not
lol
[QUOTE=AK'z;38604773]Look, I don't hate the film. It just means nothing to me when I watch it. You want to cry about me being a wrong "type of person" to like it, that's your choice.[/QUOTE]
you just spent the last eight or so pages passively-aggressively arguing on and off with the thread about it. you could have taken your incredibly unpopular opinion and left but you kept trying and failing to explain yourself, then kept bringing it up again when the topic had moved on.
please just shut up for everyone's sake
Lets get back to rating Movies
Iron Giant - my childhood/10.
Chronicle
8.5/10
Watched Perks of Being a Wallflower and while the book is 10000 times better the movie wasn't too bad. Its main problem was that it felt too short and rushed, which sort of killed any sort of flow it might have had, and made it look like it just jumped from random scene to random scene. I don't even think anyone who hasn't read the book will even understand the movie that well. Definitely would have been better if they didn't cut out so many parts from the book and didn't change Sam's and Charlie's relationship at the end. I also feel like they didn't emphasize enough on Charlie's problems, cause that's really what the book is about. The end was ok after he realized what happened but that was pretty much the only time you saw him lose it, which had more emphasis on in the book. 7/10
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;38606903]you just spent the last eight or so pages passively-aggressively arguing on and off with the thread about it. you could have taken your incredibly unpopular opinion and left but you kept trying and failing to explain yourself, then kept bringing it up again when the topic had moved on.[/QUOTE]
"incredibly unpopular opinion", that matters on facepunch.
people being genuinely depressed about it is pretty sad. It's like that movie was a metaphor for their life or something.
One person is disappointed, 10 people require a full in depth essay on why that is, then accuse you of "disliking it to be cool". That's movie discussion for 5 year olds.
[QUOTE=AK'z;38607241]"incredibly unpopular opinion", that matters on facepunch.
people being genuinely depressed about it is pretty sad. It's like that movie was a metaphor for their life or something.
One person is disappointed, 10 people require a full in depth essay on why that is, then accuse you of "disliking it to be cool". That's movie discussion for 5 year olds.[/QUOTE]
uh no thats not the point i'm trying to make. its that this argument has been going on for over a week when it should have ended on that page.
"incredibly unpopular opinions" do matter when you're going to be a stubborn shit about it. it was clear that there was no headway to be made on that front, you had no intention to ever agree with the arguments presented, but you kept trying to remind everyone that your opinion was super important and needed to be revisited every other page. this isn't even movie discussion anymore, this is you seeking attention like a five year old and unfortunately getting it.
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