[QUOTE=squids_eye;33459693]Do you have any idea how much your project is going to cost at the end? I would love to try building one of these but I don't want to start and find out it gets really expensive or something.[/QUOTE]
Since I'm not buying everything together it's going to get a little bit more expensive due to the shipping. I'm gettiny my stuff from Hobby King, which ships from Hong Kong.
I'm expecting somewhere around $170 with $250 as ceiling, without shipping.
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It depends a lot on what kind of things you are going to get.
Two motor models that both may fit on the copter could differ by $5-$7 and only there you've saved $20-$28.
You could also make a tricopter, build your own frame and so on to cut down the cost.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;33459693]Do you have any idea how much your project is going to cost at the end? I would love to try building one of these but I don't want to start and find out it gets really expensive or something.[/QUOTE]
If your willing to build your own frame, shop around for deals and assemble it your self you could easily build one for under one hundred dollars.
Swebonny, that frame looks really nice! I have tried a lot of different motors in my time and I can link you to the best ones by far if you want.
If you require any more help let me know!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw[/media]
Scrap your project Swebonny, build this instead.
I had a helicopter once, it died after it hit a tree and fell 20 feet to its death on a stone wall.
[QUOTE=Dokaman;33462297]If your willing to build your own frame, shop around for deals and assemble it your self you could easily build one for under one hundred dollars.
Swebonny, that frame looks really nice! I have tried a lot of different motors in my time and I can link you to the best ones by far if you want.
If you require any more help let me know![/QUOTE]
Would love some tips on motors. I seriously don't know which ones to pick. I mean on Hobbyking, two motors can be quite identical but still there's a great difference in money. Is it the brand and quality?
I've also been looking on rotations per minute / volt. And obviously I'd need something slower for the quadcopter, but how slow?
Swebonny do you know how to fly it? Because there are these cool simulators that hobby stores also sell.
[QUOTE=toaster468;33462425]Swebonny do you know how to fly it? Because there are these cool simulators that hobby stores also sell.[/QUOTE]
Not yet :v:
I plan to get some kind of simulator software once I get my transceiver.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;33462310][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw[/media]
Scrap your project Swebonny, build this instead.[/QUOTE]
One step at a time. I think that might suit Dokaman.
My god that is amazing. I looked at this kind of stuff before but I find it very difficult to get into, especially as I don't know where to find any good tutorials. Any recommendations?
So you finally made the Wii useful.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;33462310][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw[/media]
Scrap your project Swebonny, build this instead.[/QUOTE]
That is three or four Tri-copters which is what Swebonny is building but with an extra motor, looks extremely fun though :)
Swe, I will get the links for the best motors I have used so far.
As to learning to fly, the best way is first hand experience. The first Tri I built I had no experience with helicopters at all, took it up in the back garden and after a few flights was wizzing around like a pro!
I would really like to try this stuff out, but I'm worried that I might be a bit too dumb to build one of these! Is this something that you would need a degree in aeronautical engineering to comprehend?
I think I could learn to fly it quite easily, I used to pilot Cessnas pretty regularly, but as soon as you start throwing around words like "control board, frequencies, transmitters," and "receivers," my brain sounds the alarm. How much expertise is required to program a multicopter; or is it as simple as just plugging everything in and installing some easily configured software?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;33470320]I would really like to try this stuff out, but I'm worried that I might be a bit too dumb to build one of these! Is this something that you would need a degree in aeronautical engineering to comprehend?
I think I could learn to fly it quite easily, I used to pilot Cessnas pretty regularly, but as soon as you start throwing around words like "control board, frequencies, transmitters," and "receivers," my brain sounds the alarm. How much expertise is required to program a multicopter; or is it as simple as just plugging everything in and installing some easily configured software?[/QUOTE]
I'm in the same boat as you; this stuff looks really fucking awesome but I don't have a clue about any of this stuff.
That's why you can read up on it.
mikrokopter.de has everything you need, wiki, kits, everything. In English too.
This will make you want it even more. SHIIIT. I wish I knew how that worked. It's crazy.
[media]http://vimeo.com/32417665[/media]
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That brake in the air at 1.40
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Even cooler. It's on wimp.com as well.
[media]http://vimeo.com/32408610[/media]
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;33470320]I would really like to try this stuff out, but I'm worried that I might be a bit too dumb to build one of these! Is this something that you would need a degree in aeronautical engineering to comprehend?
I think I could learn to fly it quite easily, I used to pilot Cessnas pretty regularly, but as soon as you start throwing around words like "control board, frequencies, transmitters," and "receivers," my brain sounds the alarm. How much expertise is required to program a multicopter; or is it as simple as just plugging everything in and installing some easily configured software?[/QUOTE]
I would like to know this too.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;33470320]I would really like to try this stuff out, but I'm worried that I might be a bit too dumb to build one of these! Is this something that you would need a degree in aeronautical engineering to comprehend?
I think I could learn to fly it quite easily, I used to pilot Cessnas pretty regularly, but as soon as you start throwing around words like "control board, frequencies, transmitters," and "receivers," my brain sounds the alarm. How much expertise is required to program a multicopter; or is it as simple as just plugging everything in and installing some easily configured software?[/QUOTE]
Oh you don't need a degree at all. I started a few weeks back and there's tons of forums that talks about this.
Hobbyking's multi-copter board.
[url]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbycity/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=94&SID=ce6d73fc471ced416a4421ede7f66291[/url]
RCgroups this multi-copter section is quite active.
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/multi-rotor-helis-659/[/url]
And then you have Wikipedia that provides with a lot of information. There are even some videos that shows you how to hook stuff up, like this one. Showing the control board I bought.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMs_JTH0w2Y[/media]
Basically everything you need is on the web. And the OP of this thread is offering his help trough PM or in this thread.
Dokaman made a thread long ago about FPV, i didnt knew itexisted untill i opened up the thread.
FPV is awesome, i made my first rc plane with 1 dollar foam, can go up to 120 kph. Ending up buying kit and buying FPV equipement
[media]http://vimeo.com/20987540[/media]
So I might be getting a quad-copter from [url=http://www.snelflight.co.uk/shop/QuadPod__Spares_and_Equipment.htm]here.[/url] However, I'm a bit hesitant about buying, as it'll be a Christmas gift, and I don't want to be missing anything. If I order a "QuadPod", "QuadPod Battery - Snelflight", and a "Snelflight 2.4GHz Receiver", will I have everything I need to assemble and fly a copter? On the description for the QuadPod it says it comes with everything but a battery and radio receiver, but I can't tell if it comes with a Transmitter or not. Also, if anyone could tell me the approximate range for the receiver, that'd be great. Thanks in advance for any help.
I'm fairly sure the transmitter is not included.
So you'd need to get the transmitter and also a charger to charge the batteries.
So, Swebonny, you're estimating the cost of the multi-copter itself at about $100-150, right? Dokaman, or any other experience FPV craft builder, what kind of money might I be looking at for a controller and FPV equipment? This looks like an extremely cool hobby to get into, but I just don't have the budget to be dropping thousands of bucks into this.
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It wouldn't be strictly necessary to build a multicopter, either. I think that'd be a bit cooler, but it's looking like the fixed wing craft are a bit more budget-conscious, and I just happen to have a perfect runway near my new apartment; a big closed-off parking lot of an old steel mill. So fixed wing is definitely a viable option for me, if it's considerably cheaper.
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;33486687]So, Swebonny, you're estimating the cost of the multi-copter itself at about $100-150, right? [/QUOTE]
I'm not that sure at the moment. I guessed it would cost that much at first, but it may go up to $200. Will be back later to calculate an estimation. Right now I've just been guessing.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;33486687]So, Swebonny, you're estimating the cost of the multi-copter itself at about $100-150, right? Dokaman, or any other experience FPV craft builder, what kind of money might I be looking at for a controller and FPV equipment? This looks like an extremely cool hobby to get into, but I just don't have the budget to be dropping thousands of bucks into this.
[editline]29th November 2011[/editline]
It wouldn't be strictly necessary to build a multicopter, either. I think that'd be a bit cooler, but it's looking like the fixed wing craft are a bit more budget-conscious, and I just happen to have a perfect runway near my new apartment; a big closed-off parking lot of an old steel mill. So fixed wing is definitely a viable option for me, if it's considerably cheaper.[/QUOTE]
First of all you don't need an engineering degree, you just need to be able to read and follow instructions. Years ago it was hard to get into this, as you would have to do alot of programming for the brain board etc. Now you can do it from your Android phone via Bluetooth, it's that easy.
To be honest, these are a lot of fun without FPV'ing them. FPV'ing them makes them easier to fly, by far. A good FPV setup on a multicopter will set you back if you have no idea what your doing. For instance, you can buy a patch antenna to receive video signal or you can make your own (which is much more effective budget wise and signal strength wise)
FPV planes will be a lot cheaper and easier, as you have more space to put the equipment on, squishing up equipment causes interference and unless you know what your doing will cause you to crash. One of my more funniest FPV planes is less then a hundred dollars and can easily get round a large field but is more for stunts.
Swe is in the same boat as you, not knowing much about it and taking it step by step. Following him (if he keeps us updated rectangularly) you can see how he does it and what problems he has to overcome.
I'm reading trough these two threads, because they got some quite good information. Although it can be hard to read since the OP seems to hate capital letters.
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1505766#post19312519[/url]
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1519946[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;33484431]I'm fairly sure the transmitter is not included.
So you'd need to get the transmitter and also a charger to charge the batteries.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're right, actually I should have read the page detailing the package, it mentions on that page to buy those. Sorry, but of course thanks.
I'm currently looking at this motor. It's quite cheap and seems to suit what I'm building.
[url]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5687[/url]
It operates between 4A-12A and peaks at 15A. Someone did a benchmark and it did between 620g - 900g thrust depending on the propeller. So an electronic speed controller that has a max current of 15A and can do 18A burst seems suitable.
[url]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6456__Hobbyking_SS_Series_15_18A_ESC.html[/url]
I have no idea what this programming ESC deal is about, so the ESC I'm getting is limited. Sad thing is that there are none in stock at the moment :( I may just pick something else instead.
So, between 2480g and 3600g max thrust from all the four motors depending on propeller. That sounds awfully lot. May have to recheck. Anyhow, according to that post if I divide it by two I will get the amount of weight that the quadcopter has to be below to lift at 50% throttle.
So 1240g and 1800g. Obviously my quadcopter is going to get below 1240g.
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By that logic I could get a liftoff at 25% throttle if my chopper is just below 620g. That's neat.
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[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1097355[/url]
Best thread ever. Has practically everything.
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Already ay $91 not including shipping.
Je hebt geluk dat er geen mocros op het strand waren.
Anyways, nice video :)
[QUOTE=Swebonny;33494939]I'm currently looking at this motor. It's quite cheap and seems to suit what I'm building.
[url]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5687[/url]
It operates between 4A-12A and peaks at 15A. Someone did a benchmark and it did between 620g - 900g thrust depending on the propeller. So an electronic speed controller that has a max current of 15A and can do 18A burst seems suitable.
[url]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6456__Hobbyking_SS_Series_15_18A_ESC.html[/url]
I have no idea what this programming ESC deal is about, so the ESC I'm getting is limited. Sad thing is that there are none in stock at the moment :( I may just pick something else instead.
So, between 2480g and 3600g max thrust from all the four motors depending on propeller. That sounds awfully lot. May have to recheck. Anyhow, according to that post if I divide it by two I will get the amount of weight that the quadcopter has to be below to lift at 50% throttle.
So 1240g and 1800g. Obviously my quadcopter is going to get below 1240g.
[editline]29th November 2011[/editline]
By that logic I could get a liftoff at 25% throttle if my chopper is just below 620g. That's neat.
[editline]29th November 2011[/editline]
[url]http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1097355[/url]
Best thread ever. Has practically everything.
[editline]29th November 2011[/editline]
Already ay $91 not including shipping.[/QUOTE]
I don't like your listed speed controller, I would use this one.
[url]http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=147&productname=[/url]
and get this programming card -> [url]http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=488&productname=[/url]
Because you need to change the cut-off settings on the ESC so you dont get one shut off in-flight, really easy to program with this card.
Shipping from RCtimer is fast and cheap.
These are my favourite motors which in my opinion are by far the best
[url]http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=6247[/url]
Ah thanks a lot!
The motors you originally wanted to get are fine, ESC's are not though.
My top two multi copters (my quad and my tri) are running those motors and those speed controllers. Both are flawless.
If you need any more help, let me know!
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