OSX vs. Windows - General - Facepunch Forum

[QUOTE=Sourcream&onion;32377588]If you're doing something in depth with video or audio, you're going to want to go Apple.[/QUOTE] Not particularly. This myth is one of the worst offenders in the OS X vs Windows debates. Anything Mac can do, Windows can too. Either through different software, or a Windows version of the software. This used to be true back when Apple advertised it as Windows wasn't so media-centric. Today? Not a leg to stand on in most cases as a lot of the professional audio/ video software is multi-platform.

[QUOTE=Sourcream&onion;32377588]If you're doing something in depth with video or audio, you're going to want to go Apple.[/QUOTE] There's no truth to this, and there hasn't been for a long time. All of my friends in the arts that use Macs fully admit they just like them because they're pretty. Any professional software used for audio/video editing will undoubtedly be cross-platform, and there's probably enough free video/audio editing tools out there that it's true for a hobby perspective too.

[QUOTE=RubberFruit;32377192]I don't know if you've ever used Windows Movie Maker, but being a regular user of Final Cut Pro and iMovie I wanted to literally kill someone when using WMM. It is so counter intuitive, especially for such a simple program. Plus the end result A. looks like unprofessional shite (If you've ever seen those god awful slideshows with the blue background and the white comic sans and the 009 Sound System blaring you'll know what I'm talking about.) B. Probably won't work[/QUOTE] WMM is the worst of the bunch but you really aren't free to do a lot with Final Cut Pro or iMovie either: I've used them a bunch, and you select pre-made effects, and modify them. I use After Effects, Premiere, 3DS max and Photoshop + some simple audio mixing, editing and cleaning tools combined for my videos. I can have the same software on a Mac, but it costs more to own a Mac.

[QUOTE=Elspin;32378192]There's no truth to this, and there hasn't been for a long time. All of my friends in the arts that use Macs fully admit they just like them because they're pretty. Any professional software used for audio/video editing will undoubtedly be cross-platform, and there's probably enough free video/audio editing tools out there that it's true for a hobby perspective too.[/QUOTE] This has been true ever since Apple dropped Power PC and moved to X86/ x86_64, it made porting software between platforms a lot easier.

[QUOTE=mac338;32378218]WMM is the worst of the bunch but you really aren't free to do a lot with Final Cut Pro or iMovie either: I've used them a bunch, and you select pre-made effects, and modify them. I use After Effects, Premiere, 3DS max and Photoshop + some simple audio mixing, editing and cleaning tools combined for my videos. I can have the same software on a Mac, but it costs more to own a Mac.[/QUOTE] I use after effects too, But I didn't mention it in my post because personally I don't consider it the same sort of program as iMovie and XML

[QUOTE=RubberFruit;32378278]I use after effects too, But I didn't mention it in my post because personally I don't consider it the same sort of program as iMovie and XML[/QUOTE] Premiere is comparable to iMove, Vegas Pro and Final Cut Pro. It's more for cutting. But making the actual effects? Well... that's the idea of After Effects. I had to abandon my Mac for work (where I make video advertisements & commercial photography) because my work-flow was more seamless on the PC. How the software cooperated that is. [B]EDIT:[/B] I'm sorry to sound like a super-bigot when it comes to Macs. It's just that I've been so dis-pleased with their products overall - the ones I own anyway - the MacBook , iPod touch and the iMac (which I share with a friend) that I really can't help but think of negative things. They're pretty and all, and generally don't catch viruses, but that's honestly all I can think of. I'm really sorry, it's my experience with it all.

OSX was based on an awesome idea jobs took objective C, which already had the great structure of smalltalk mixed with the functionality and speed of C, and added a ton to it via nexstep, cocoa, and xcode it is really a great piece of work windows hasn't done anything too creative in a very long time however, apple have been huge dicks about osx, making it incredibly closed, and not giving you anything to work with unless you pay tons of money. that's why I prefer windows

[QUOTE=hexpunK;32378258]This has been true ever since Apple dropped Power PC and moved to X86/ x86_64, it made porting software between platforms a lot easier.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much what I said, any professional software will be on Windows as well, so there's no truth to saying that "You need a mac for audio/video".

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;32378353] windows hasn't done anything too creative in a very long time [/QUOTE] Aye. I'd agree. The Windows developers aren't the most innovative.

I prefer OSX Mainly because even though I consider myself a "Power-user" of windows, the UI and design of the OS is atrocious compared to OSX. Even after being on Windows my entire life, I still have to google for ways to disable or enable certain settings, and sometimes that even requires digging around in the registry which is the worst invention ever. The new mix of Ribbon and Aero is just a confusing mess and needs to be normalized somehow, and on top of that, OSX Has the dock and the mission control that is actually nice, rather than the aero that just scrolls through everything that is terrible to use. It also has the app store, which is really a brilliant addition. In a way, the app store was already on linux, and I'm glad to see that mac OSX has adopted it (as well as windows 8 apparently). Before, when you went to download an application, you would go online, go to google, and search what you wanted, and then you would download a file from the internet, and hope it wasn't some sort of virus. The app store is a great way to introduce people to new applications and give people a safe way to download. On top of all of this, Macs run quite a few games nowadays, they run every blizzard title, and most valve titles, and those are really the only games I play. I really believe that windows needs a complete reset, that they should do away with all of their legacy stuff that is just tacked on to windows and start fresh. I hope that windows 9 or 10 will be the one that does that, because while it's definitely impressive that stuff from windows 3.1 can work on windows 7 and 8, I think it really holds back development and movement forward.

A fair and reasonable opinion, sir.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8IufkbuD0p[/media] Need I say more?

[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32378823][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8IufkbuD0p[/media] Need I say more?[/QUOTE] 0:39 "IT'S SECUREEE" While I'm running Metasploit's autopwn against a Windows XP SP3 VM and gained access via an SMB exploit.

Windows is my preference because I've grown accustomed to it, but I can understand why some people like OSX because I generally have a nice experience when using OSX on the rare occasion I do. I do reckon it's silly though that even people who support Windows will say things like "Macs are best for professional work etc etc". Many industry standard programs are supported across both Windows and Mac, because why would an industry standard program be limited to a small market? Both Windows and Mac have their own unique authoring tools, but both are equally as useful for authoring purposes.

[QUOTE=JamesDean;32378055]We're talking about the OS here which is $29.99, compared to $129.99 of Windows. The price of Macs is aside the point, you can run OS X on most computers with a little modification.[/QUOTE] That's when you're upgrading from Snow Leopard to Lion. You can't even buy a full version of Lion like you can with Windows 7, you have to first buy Snow Leopard and then upgrade it to Lion. And the total cost of that is about the same if not more than Windows 7.

Most of the arguments I've seen so far are just about the UI and the products that support each OS that doesn't really mean too much about the OS itself, you can change and customize the UI of both OS's a lot, and there are enough products on each platform to support almost anything you want to do.

the only argument that OSX can win over windows is the fact its more shiny and we all like shiny things

I can't tell if OS X is better or worse over all, but a few things I noticed when I used for a day: ~ It's incredibly hard to switch to OS X as a long time Windows user. Ubuntu is much easier. + It's a UNIX system which means it has a much more powerful terminal. - Apple USB-keyboards are cheap notebook keyboards. ~ Fancy animations everywhere [QUOTE=Jelly donut;32378823][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8IufkbuD0p[/media] Need I say more?[/QUOTE] Now, that's how you make a commercial! :v: [QUOTE=Nobaddy;32376509]Mac is for professionals, or people who want to look professional... At twice the price of a windows. Windows is for function, it does look less sexy and unprofessional, but it does more and costs less than a iMac. Windows does more, it plays more games and programs, but iMac has better (?) professional software for film and audio editing and that stuff.[/QUOTE] TL;DR: I mashed every rumor about OS X and Windows together into a "fact".

[QUOTE=LATTEH;32379204]the only argument that OSX can win over windows is the fact its more shiny and we all like shiny things[/QUOTE] Honestly, that is one of the main reasons I like Macs a lot in comparison to Windows (but I still prefer Windows of course). The aesthetics are very well done, and all Mac computers look really damn awesome. I wouldn't mind buying a Macbook Pro as they also have good hardware for a laptop, but if I did I'd probably only use Windows on it, or Mac OSX for the occasional moment I'd feel like a rebel.

Same thing

I can't disappoint all my popular rich friends by not overpaying for outdated hardware with a stripped down OS and a smooth shiny graphical user interface to drool over. Honestly, Windows, because it's affordable and has more support. Plus, the capability to build your own computer is nonexistent to ignorant Mac users.

[QUOTE=dalem50;32379457]I can't disappoint all my popular rich friends by not overpaying for outdated hardware with a stripped down OS and a smooth shiny graphical user interface to drool over. Honestly, Windows, because it's affordable and has more support. Plus, the capability to build your own computer is nonexistent to ignorant Mac users.[/QUOTE] lol @ this post

Everything, i mean EVERYTHING, you can do on OSX you can do on windows/linux.

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;32378353]OSX was based on an awesome idea jobs took objective C, which already had the great structure of smalltalk mixed with the functionality and speed of C, and added a ton to it via nexstep, cocoa, and xcode [/QUOTE] objective C is shit

the syntax is shit, the language itself is really powerful

The pricing of Mac simply boggles my mind when you could spend the money to make a windows pc that will destroy it in terms of pure performance and processing power.

[QUOTE=synthiac;32380504][editline]19th September 2011[/editline] elaborate[/QUOTE] Look at visual basic. It can do everything .net can do, with a terrible syntax.

[QUOTE=JamesDean;32376745]I'm not sure why you people are posting about the price. Here's we're comparing OSX to Windows, not Mac's to computers running Windows.[/QUOTE] The hardware and price of a Mac is a feature unique to its OS. They go hand in hand. Comparing the software without noting the hardware doesn't work, seeing as it's the only legitimate way to use OSX. It's just a part of the closed system associated with Apple and its products. Inversely, Windows offers freedom of hardware, which is a feature not seen with OSX. tl;dr: Hardware is a relevant to the debate.

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;32378000]I will never ever understand this argument. A Windows PC with the specs of a good Mac + Photoshop/Vegas/Premiere is WAYYY cheaper than even the most basic Mac and I'm sure Photoshop/Vegas/Premiere are much better than whatever Macs have installed by default[/QUOTE] Fun fact: Old Macs used to receive a lot of software designed for creativity.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;32380846]Fun fact: Old Macs used to receive a lot of software designed for creativity.[/QUOTE] Emphasis on old? :v: