[QUOTE=exeanimator;32384325]I love and use both, but if OSX had more applications then it would beat the shit out of Windows and I'd use my mac at all times.
My main problem with windows is the terrible UI. There has been a lot of improvements, but Microsoft is still terrible at innovation and design.
OSX is soft on the eyes, and makes working on it a real pleasure. Also, macs have SUPERB screen quality. The colors are amazingly nice.
I'm so pissed 3DSMax isn't working on OSX.[/QUOTE]
Buy a better monitor. Most Apple computers come with IPS screens, that's why they looks so much better. I have an H-IPS monitor for my desktop and it's orgasmic.
If it's a laptop, well then it wasn't a high end laptop.
Oh and I find allot of MBP's to be ugly, grey grey grey (they say it's Aluminum).
The Air is sexy however.
[QUOTE=Cool Dog;32384596]the first thing you said is so wrong it hurts. There is no way to get windows to look like OSX, simple as that. You cannot no matter how hard people try, you can probably get somewhat close I guess, but it's a very hack-y thing to do. There is no "real" support for completely changing lots of fundamental things on windows like how they look besides color and how transparent the stuff is.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_shell_replacement]I honestly wish people researched their claims at all before posting them, windows actually lets you swap out the entire interface. As well as that, there are a few programs that do exactly like you describe. Haven't bothered though, because like I said, I found OSX UI annoying anyways.[/url]
[QUOTE=Cool Dog;32384596]the first thing you said is so wrong it hurts. There is no way to get windows to look like OSX, simple as that. You cannot no matter how hard people try, you can probably get somewhat close I guess, but it's a very hack-y thing to do. There is no "real" support for completely changing lots of fundamental things on windows like how they look besides color and how transparent the stuff is.[/QUOTE]I have a dock installed on Windows right now.
The Dock is the only good part of the OS X UI.
[QUOTE=Elspin;32384930][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_shell_replacement]I honestly wish people researched their claims at all before posting them, windows actually lets you swap out the entire interface. As well as that, there are a few programs that do exactly like you describe. Haven't bothered though, because like I said, I found OSX UI annoying anyways.[/url][/QUOTE]
Except it'd be impossible to implement the menu bar at the top (The one that says File, Edit, Window, etc), mainly because there isn't an API that let's you access it.
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Unix > Windows NT
[QUOTE=Jelly;32385396]Except it'd be impossible to implement the menu bar at the top (The one that says File, Edit, Window, etc), mainly because there isn't an API that let's you access it.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
Unix > Windows NT[/QUOTE]
[img]http://cdn.windows7themes.net/themes/windows-7-mac-theme-1.jpg[/img]
You were saying? (in case it's not clear, that's windows 7 running a mac theme).
[QUOTE=Elspin;32385475][img]http://cdn.windows7themes.net/themes/windows-7-mac-theme-1.jpg[/img]
You were saying? (in case it's not clear, that's windows 7 running a mac theme).[/QUOTE]
Except GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, Time Machine and Finder aren't on Windows.
One particular thing that bothers me about OSX users is that they love claiming that they are the "powerful minority" that loves to do things differently and just love to be different.
How the FUCK are you avoiding being mainstream by purchasing what is literally a monopoly in a box?
[QUOTE=Big Bang;32385559]One particular thing that bothers me about OSX users is that they love claiming that they are the "powerful minority" that loves to do things differently and just love to be different.
How the FUCK are you avoiding being mainstream by purchasing what is literally a monopoly in a box?[/QUOTE]
And I love the completely blind fanboysim they show.
Like the classic "Macs never get infected" bullshit.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32385535]Except GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, Time Machine and Finder aren't on Windows.[/QUOTE]
Good god you're stubborn. I'm fairly sure they're just icon sets being used for other programs, and the finder is recreated in the shell replacement as part of it.
If you actually bothered to scroll down the page the theme was from you'd realise that it isn't the theme in the screenshot.
[url]http://windows7themes.net/windows-7-mac-theme.html[/url]
[img]http://cdn.windows7themes.net/themes/mac-os-x-caption-buttons-1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cdn.windows7themes.net/themes/snow-leopard-mac-os-x.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cdn.windows7themes.net/themes/xlefty-buttons.jpg[/img]
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
If you actually bothered to check instead of just clicking the first google result that came up you'd realise that's an OSX Leopard 10.5 screenshot. Which if you used [url=https://www.tineye.com/]Tineye[/url]. You'd realise that it's been [url=http://www.smh.com.au/news/icon/review-mac-os-x-leopard/2007/11/04/1194117935669.html]used in articles as far back as 2007 about Leopard.[/url]
[QUOTE=Jelly;32385629]more complaints[/QUOTE]
Even if that one IS fake, I can find about 20 more all over the internet - the point is you're not making any effort to look around.
[url]http://eamon63.deviantart.com/art/Snow-Leopard-Objectbar-85001864[/url]
[url]http://eamon63.deviantart.com/art/Snow-Leopard-Styler-TB-85000075[/url]
[url]http://jesusmaker.deviantart.com/art/OS-X-Leopard-for-ObjectBar-v1-133793654[/url]
I don't know why you'd want that god awful interface, but you can have it on windows if you want to.
[QUOTE=Elspin;32385816]Even if that one IS fake, I can find about 20 more all over the internet - the point is you're not making any effort to look around.
[url]http://eamon63.deviantart.com/art/Snow-Leopard-Objectbar-85001864[/url]
[url]http://eamon63.deviantart.com/art/Snow-Leopard-Styler-TB-85000075[/url]
[url]http://jesusmaker.deviantart.com/art/OS-X-Leopard-for-ObjectBar-v1-133793654[/url]
I don't know why you'd want that god awful interface, but you can have it on windows if you want to.[/QUOTE]
None of that even looks like OSX.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32385822]None of that even looks like OSX.[/QUOTE]
Uhhhhhh... it looks nearly visually indistinguishable, most of it is just made of shots print-screened from the OS X version. Either way, my point has been made and you were wrong, you can in fact make the menu bar from OS X in windows shell scripts/programs.
[QUOTE=Elspin;32385904]Uhhhhhh... it looks nearly visually indistinguishable, most of it is just made of shots print-screened from the OS X version. Either way, my point has been made and you were wrong, you can in fact make the menu bar from OS X in windows shell scripts/programs.[/QUOTE]
How does:
[img]https://s.deviantart.com/th/fs29/i/2008/130/0/f/Snow_Leopard_Objectbar_by_eamon63.png[/img]
look anything like:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/RnCi5.png[/img]
How does:
[img]https://s.deviantart.com/th/fs41/i/2009/013/0/c/Snow_Leopard_Styler_TB_by_eamon63.png[/img]
look anything like:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/lFrbL.png[/img]
There's no way for a shell to get all the different menu bar options without implementing some sort of API in all the apps.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
The only one that even looks half decent is [url]https://jesusmaker.deviantart.com/art/OS-X-Leopard-for-ObjectBar-v1-133793654[/url] and even that is pushing it.
The real question is, why the fuck do you want to change the shell so it matches exactly that of OSX? The whole beauty of the concept is that you can do this on Windows but not vice versa, thus proving that OSX is less flexible in terms of development.
If you like the OSX GUI, get OSX. If you like Windows GUI, get Windows. Why you'd want to go through all the effort of making your OS look like that of another when you could just use it.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=synthiac;32386145]that's a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah except you get Windows Movie Maker, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Backup and Windows Explorer
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386158]If you like the OSX GUI, get OSX. If you like Windows GUI, get Windows. Why you'd want to go through all the effort of making your OS look like that of another when you could just use it.[/QUOTE]
Because if you like elements of both you can only mix them up in Windows. Things don't always have to be handled by extremes.
Apple is good for older people / people that don't want to put any effort into what they're doing, and want things to just work. It does almost no advanced tasks well. On the flipside, windows can be much harder to use, whilst offering many more controls and programs- as long as you're smart enough/have the time to maintenance your computer/os, windows is the way to go. OSX is great if you just want things to work, and not really have to tweak anything. It's simple, and easy to use. However, you loose control.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;32386176]Because if you like elements of both you can only mix them up in Windows. Things don't always have to be handled by extremes.[/QUOTE]
Except most peoples reasoning for using OSX isn't for the interface.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;32386182]Apple is good for older people / people that don't want to put any effort into what they're doing, and want things to just work. It does almost no advanced tasks. On the flipside, windows can be much harder to use, whilst offering many more controls and programs- as long as you're smart enough/have the time to maintenance your computer/os, windows is the way to go. If you don't give a fuck, get a mac.[/QUOTE]
"It does almost no advanced tasks." You have more control over everything in OSX. It's based on an open source kernel and you have the power of Unix in your hands.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;32386182]Apple is good for older people / people that don't want to put any effort into what they're doing, and want things to just work. It does almost no advanced tasks. On the flipside, windows can be much harder to use, whilst offering many more controls and programs- as long as you're smart enough/have the time to maintenance your computer/os, windows is the way to go. If you don't give a fuck, get a mac.[/QUOTE]
Frankly, I disagree. OSX seems to be nowadays a niche market based entirely on people who just want to have an Apple product with all it's Apple design views on it. In terms of usability, I actually find Windows simpler, and some Linux distros have even simpler window managers than OSX.
Except most peoples reasoning for using OSX isn't for the interface.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386190]Except most peoples reasoning for using OSX isn't for the interface.[/QUOTE]
Nor do most Windows users. You just threw your whole argument to the trash can, whoops, recycle bin.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386190]
"It does almost no advanced tasks." You have more control over everything in OSX. It's based on an open source kernel and you have the power of Unix in your hands.[/QUOTE]
I was saying that the only machines that the company that designed the software will LET you run it on are pretty shit for the price, so unless you have a couple thousand to drop on a new computer, you can't really run any new/cutting edge programs on it.
[QUOTE=synthiac;32386229]windows explorer is superior to finder though ~just saying~[/QUOTE]
You can do the same things in both.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386246]You can do the same things in both.[/QUOTE]
Not hardly, I have to use a mac at school and the mac folder/directory browser is literally the most difficult thing I have ever had to use for finding what I wanted.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386190]"It does almost no advanced tasks." You have more control over everything in OSX. It's based on an open source kernel and you have the power of Unix in your hands.[/QUOTE]Just because it's "based" on an open-source kernel doesn't mean it's actually more open.
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;32386263]Just because it's "based" on an open-source kernel doesn't mean it's actually more open.[/QUOTE]
It does mean however that apps you can compile on Linux, you can compile on OSX.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386268]It does mean however that apps you can compile on Linux, you can compile on OSX.[/QUOTE]
It's amazing how you can do the [B]exact[/B] same thing for windows/osx as well, you just have to use certain programming languages.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;32386259]Not hardly, I have to use a mac at school and the mac folder/directory browser is literally the most difficult thing I have ever had to use for finding what I wanted.[/QUOTE]
I'll have to agree on this one, but I'm sure over time I'd get used to Finder, but damn the start search bar is very convenient.
All in all, the only reason why FP cares about OS's for is for programs they use (usually games, but some other things can be Windows only) and whether or not you need a certain type of hardware.
I dislike the monopoly approach to OSX, just image if Windows was made on computers made by MS, damn.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386268]It does mean however that apps you can compile on Linux, you can compile on OSX.[/QUOTE]
How does that help your case? This is OSX vs [b]windows[/b] and most of the programs you'd want from windows aren't on Linux either, nor will you have the source code either. Linux is a fantastic operating system, but none of the reasons that Linux is good apply to a Mac.
[QUOTE=Jelly;32386268]It does mean however that apps you can compile on Linux, you can compile on OSX.[/QUOTE]
Eh not necessarily. It's very rare to see one app that has a binary that supports both architectures. Hell, Linux distros basically never have universal binaries.
I don't see what's the appeal on it being Unix based, aside from the file system. I have NEVER seen an OSX command line, authentically never. I don't even know how to run one without googling it.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;32386351]Eh not necessarily. It's very rare to see one app that has a binary that supports both architectures. Hell, Linux distros basically never have universal binaries.
I don't see what's the appeal on it being Unix based, aside from the file system. I have NEVER seen an OSX command line, authentically never. I don't even know how to run one without googling it.[/QUOTE]
It does have a terminal like Linux, but having to use a command prompt for anything is not a point in it's favour from a user perspective. From a developer point of view it's way nicer when developing for windows to be able to open a dedicated command prompt with your application, instead of having to run the application from the terminal and have it's console output in the terminal (though I must admit, I'm not that experienced in using OSX or Linux for programming).
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