Someone could use heroin everyday for their entire life and be a fully contributing member of society.
I'd like to see the same from someone with a meth addiction.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40588907]You're kidding right?
You have no idea what neurotoxic constitutes beyond the theoretical notion of its existence.
That doesn't matter, the chemical dependence of heroin is far more crippling to an individual in a society compared to methamphetamine.[/QUOTE]
This is the one time Im gonna say fuck you to you man I do know what Im talking about here
I did a pharmacology paper at university that was soley about drugs and society and the method of action of drugs and the effects on their body and methamphetamine definetly can and will cause brain damage.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;40588944]Someone could use heroin everyday for their entire life and be a fully contributing member of society.
I'd like to see the same from someone with a meth addiction.[/QUOTE]
Addictions are equally time consuming, that's why it's called addiction. The difference is that heroin users become apathetic while methamphetamine users still try to function in society related to how the substances affect the sympathetic- versus the parasympathetic nervous system.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40588976]This is the one time Im gonna say fuck you to you man I do know what Im talking about here
I did a pharmacology paper at university that was soley about drugs and society and the method of action of drugs and the effects on their body and methamphetamine definetly can and will cause brain damage.[/QUOTE]
Pharmacology doesn't describe anything beyond the possible neurotoxic production of hydrogen-peroxide as a result of 5-HT metabolism of dihydroxyphenethylamine. Neuropsychology can even show what brain damage means in a scanner, but I can't find a match in psychology that perfectly matches a dysfunctional behavior related to the loss of brain matter in the reward system. It simply has no meaning beyond the fact that brain matter is lacking.
That's why we've had tons of heroin addicted authors, musicians, college professors, artists ect?
What have meth addicts contributed to society other than caustic chemicals and poor oral hygiene?
I literally live in Methland, USA. I know my shit.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;40589266]That's why we've had tons of heroin addicted authors, musicians, college professors, artists ect?
What have meth addicts contributed to society other than caustic chemicals and poor oral hygiene?
I literally live in Methland, USA. I know my shit.[/QUOTE]
The "meth addict" is a stereotype, that's why it's not associated with accomplishments. They haven't contributed because they don't exist, much like you wouldn't refer to Sigmund Freud as a junkie.
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[QUOTE=soldier9128;40555189]I created this thread because when ever I do happen to ask a question, no one answers it because its in the wrong thread or no one smokes meth on facepunch. Another reason I created this thread was to ask my new question which I have done about an hour or two of research on the Internet for. Is... "before smoking meth, should I drink a protein shake or do it on an empty stomach and then about an hour or two later drink the protein shake?"[/QUOTE]
The most practical approach to nutritional care is keeping your vitamin levels up, and perhaps a steady flow of carbohydrates and proteins to achieve a steady mood. Keep vitamins a priority though and try to have at least 3 meals or vitamin substitutes per day when tweaking with constant supply of water. I know this is basically impossible to bother with, but at least it shows some ideal guidelines to follow.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40589211]Addictions are equally time consuming, that's why it's called addiction. The difference is that heroin users become apathetic while methamphetamine users still try to function in society related to how the substances affect the sympathetic- versus the parasympathetic nervous system.
Pharmacology doesn't describe anything beyond the possible neurotoxic production of hydrogen-peroxide as a result of 5-HT metabolism of dihydroxyphenethylamine. Neuropsychology can even show what brain damage means in a scanner, but I can't find a match in psychology that perfectly matches a dysfunctional behavior related to the loss of brain matter in the reward system. It simply has no meaning beyond the fact that brain matter is lacking.[/QUOTE]
It actually damages brain tissue, even most people on meth won't even argue this fact.
You're actually wrong for once man its just ridiculous that you are trying to say meth isn't physically worse for you than heroin I mean come on man you're smarter than that.
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[QUOTE=Memnoth;40589321]The "meth addict" is a stereotype, that's why it's not associated with accomplishments. They haven't contributed because they don't exist, much like you wouldn't refer to Sigmund Freud as a junkie.
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
The most practical approach to nutritional care is keeping your vitamin levels up, and perhaps a steady flow of carbohydrates and proteins to achieve a steady mood. Keep vitamins a priority though and try to have at least 3 meals or vitamin substitutes per day when tweaking with constant supply of water. I know this is basically impossible to bother with, but at least it shows some ideal guidelines to follow.[/QUOTE]
Meth addicts isn't a mythical stereotype lol they are all similair for a reason just like how all hardcore stoners are similair etc they exist.
I live in a country with some of the highest meth users per capita its not a mythical stereotype you can easily pick out meth heads.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40590041]It actually damages brain tissue, even most people on meth won't even argue this fact.
You're actually wrong for once man its just ridiculous that you are trying to say meth isn't physically worse for you than heroin I mean come on man you're smarter than that.[/QUOTE]
I'm not suggesting that methamphetamine doesn't damage brain tissue, that would defeat the entire purpose of bringing up hydrogen-peroxide. I was trying to formulate what it means to actually be the recipient of brain damage.
My intention was to provoke the comprehension of stereotyping. I found the repetitive bashing against the thread starter to be completely unjustified as the behavior mimics that of a certain government who created the war on drugs. Don't stereotype people, try to show some decent human behavior.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40590041]Meth addicts isn't a mythical stereotype lol they are all similair for a reason just like how all hardcore stoners are similair etc they exist.
I live in a country with some of the highest meth users per capita its not a mythical stereotype you can easily pick out meth heads.[/QUOTE]
It's also easy to pick out black people, I will never advocate stereotyping.
Ah I see you don't like how we bash the thread starter.
We bashed the thread starter not just for this thread but because he has consistently proved himself to be a giant fuckwit time and time again.
I advocate some stereotyping because it works for me 9 times out of 10 if I stereotype someone before I meet them I will adjust my behaviour to fit in with that stereotype and its why I have so many friends from different walks of life because Im good at picking out out what type of person they are before I get to know them properly.
everyone is part of some stereotype. I don't get what the point of saying its easy to pick out black people is. Its easy to pick out white people as well, just as its easy to pick out gangster black people and gangster white people.
memnoth cried on cam
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40590374]Ah I see you don't like how we bash the thread starter.
We bashed the thread starter not just for this thread but because he has consistently proved himself to be a giant fuckwit time and time again.
I advocate some stereotyping because it works for me 9 times out of 10 if I stereotype someone before I meet them I will adjust my behaviour to fit in with that stereotype and its why I have so many friends from different walks of life because Im good at picking out out what type of person they are before I get to know them properly.
everyone is part of some stereotype. I don't get what the point of saying its easy to pick out black people is. Its easy to pick out white people as well, just as its easy to pick out gangster black people and gangster white people.[/QUOTE]
That's because you're not racist, but pre-Civil War white people would see the black person as nothing else but a commodity. The thing is when we choose to acknowledge stereotypes, we take part in their prejudices. That's why I believe every person should receive a unique perspective, so that everyone can take equal part in society. Anything less would be insulting.
how do you know hes not racist? and i don't like that statement about white people .
recieving a unique perspective?
like someone thinking for themselves from what they live instead of opinions based off tv?
this thread is a joke
[QUOTE=tittles650;40590696]how do you know hes not racist? and i don't like that statement about white people .[/QUOTE]
Because he didn't confirm anything when I tried to redirect his attention to a specific race.
[QUOTE=tittles650;40590696]recieving a unique perspective?
like someone thinking for themselves from what they live instead of opinions based off tv?[/QUOTE]
I'm sensing a hidden agenda behind this rhetorical question.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40590463]That's because you're not racist, but pre-Civil War white people would see the black person as nothing else but a commodity. The thing is when we choose to acknowledge stereotypes, we take part in their prejudices. That's why I believe every person should receive a unique perspective, so that everyone can take equal part in society. Anything less would be insulting.[/QUOTE]
You can stereotype someone before you know them and still give them a unique perspective
And lol are there pre civil war people still alive?
If you stereotype everyone equally everyone is an equal part of society and prejudices once again are good to slightly have before you know someone its a safer and efficient way of effectively dealing with people which, lets be fair here you are not very good at while I would say I am. You don't go around yelling you are stereotyping someone you just do it in your own head.
Like if I met you in real life without knowing you on this forum I would stereotype you as an autistic druggie but you wouldn't know I had done this as I wouldn't treat you bad I would just act and talk to you differently than I would with my gangster korean friends if you get what Im saying?
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In south africa the safe thing to do is to avoid groups of black people because stereotypically its the blacks that commit the crime. Its not racist its just using the laws of averages, in fact stereotyping people like that can actually save your life if you went into a black neighbourhood and you were white and by yourself the chances would be very high that you would get hurt its just how it is.
Just like poor people will stereotype you as having money and goods to steal, when I went to dodgy markets in south africa I would dress poor so the chances of being mugged are lower and so people treat you better because poor people often resent people who are more well off and "flaunt it"
I'm arguing about nothing. I retract my statements, it's time to take a break from mind altering substances. Pardon my querulousness.
even pure meth is such a hamfisted and dirty way to get high. it puts your body into hyper overdrive... how the hell is that not more damaging than heroin?
how dangerous they both fair against each other on the addiction junkie issue can still be up for debate. but there is no debate what so ever that meth causes leagues more bodily harm than heroin. and heroin still causes bodily harm, and plenty of it. meth is pretty fuckin scary and if for some reason you have to use it? (when better alternatives like dextro amphetamines or MDMA are around) you're going to have to be insanely careful.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40590767]Because he didn't confirm anything when I tried to redirect his attention to a specific race.
I'm sensing a hidden agenda behind this rhetorical question.[/QUOTE]
not rhetorical,i dont know what you mean by receiving a unique perspective so i ask.
this is an example
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Scary usually means unknown, which is why I expressed curiousness towards empirical data.
I'm experiencing a minor Zopiclone withdrawal, so I choose not to establish any position on any matter at the current moment. My opinions are officially postponed.
i still know you cried on cam though,thats a fact regardless of opinion
That's not a meaningful statement to me.
not evn once
tried meth once, don't think it's really for me
think I'll just stick to mdma or dexxies for my stimming
[QUOTE=Faren;40600201]tried meth once, don't think it's really for me
think I'll just stick to mdma or [B]dexxies[/B] for my stimming[/QUOTE]
but it's the same thing
edit: obviously not exactly the same, but the same thing like how morphine and heroin are the same. If it's made from pseudoephedrine, it's going to be dextromethamphetamine.
[QUOTE=AaronTAB;40600747]but it's the same thing[/QUOTE]
methamphetamine = dextroamphetamine??
since when?
yeah dex is basically meth for smart people
I used to think the same way as you guys, but having done both meth and adderall, its really not exactly the same. Don't forget that the methyl group basically means alot more amphetamine gets into your brain quicker because it crosses the blood brain barrier quicker. Plus the fact that you can smoke it unlike dex pills really changes the nature of the high. And to the people contesting that meth is worse than heroin, just do some damn reading lol. Hell, its pretty easy to tell if youve done alot of amphetamines, and alot of opiates. Opiates are alot less harmful, especially physically.
And tweakers are a real stereotype because they DO all fucking act like that. Its reality, not a pretty one.
when i say dex is meth for smart people i mean the only reason why they're using it is as a stimulant to go longer/faster/harder whatever.
if you want a stim that's fun MDMA.
meth is like a shitty inbetween. you can use it for studying/intense-gaming and partying. but it's insanely damaging. i think meth does more harm than MDMA does, doesn't it?
actually it's quite the shitty inbetween. using it to study and shit isn't a great idea because it seriously puts you into overdrive and the doses you'd have to take to not tweak balls would create effects pretty much the same as dex. then when partying is involved again all it does is just amp you up +1000000... whereas MDMA amps you up and chills you out and makes you insightful. you take a lot more away from a night of MDMA than Meth.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40602429]when i say dex is meth for smart people i mean the only reason why they're using it is as a stimulant to go longer/faster/harder whatever.
if you want a stim that's fun MDMA.
meth is like a shitty inbetween. you can use it for studying/intense-gaming and partying. but it's insanely damaging. i think meth does more harm than MDMA does, doesn't it?
actually it's quite the shitty inbetween. using it to study and shit isn't a great idea because it seriously puts you into overdrive and the doses you'd have to take to not tweak balls would create effects pretty much the same as dex. then when partying is involved again all it does is just amp you up +1000000... whereas MDMA amps you up and chills you out and makes you insightful. you take a lot more away from a night of MDMA than Meth.[/QUOTE]
Yea, meth pretty much just takes away... haha
[QUOTE=soldier9128;40578304]For one, Bella is not a meth head, she likes heroin mostly. And if your gonna say something or tell a story at least make sure you sentences make sense. I don't really care for spelling erors because I do that to sometimes, but I at least make sure people can read what I post. I would enjoy reading your post, but I have no clue to even make anything of it, so just go back, edit it and take your time reading it over before you submit it.[/QUOTE]
when did you become king of dd
[QUOTE=TCB;40606054]when did you become king of dd[/QUOTE]
I think he should be our new mod :v: Can't be electing someone with knowledge and know-how, otherwise people might start to realize that drug users aren't all moronic burnouts with nothing better to do that get high.
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