• Facepalming at the Nazis
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[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;22742755]itt people don't understand history or are ignorant of certain parts of history and try to shove their limited knowledge of history through a certain idea structure that can't work and just make themselves look like fools[/QUOTE] Nazism doesn't necessarily have to have a victim, it's just that 99.9% of the time it does. The thing with Nazis is that they've been demonized to be horrible no matter what, and I don't think that's the case.
[QUOTE=Piggah;22742670]Hitler was an opportunist with investors. He was never going to win the war, statistically and strategically. Shall we go on and talk about how great the USSR was now :v[/QUOTE]Well, no. If Hitler hadn't erected a second front with the Soviets and haven't been so obessed with the Holocaust he would've won the second world war one way or another.
Didn't Hitler use the prisoners at concentration camps to contribute to the war effort by manufacturing supplies and stuff? Don't really know how much that really contributed. So I'm probably wrong.
Watch the Military History Channel. After a few WW II documentaries, you should have a decent understanding of WW II and Nazi Germany. Not a college level understanding though, so don't think that you are an expert. Unless you really are a WW II expert.
Well your OP was dumb so you probably weren't listening very well. [editline]05:22AM[/editline] [QUOTE=cqbcat;22742905]so don't think that you are an expert. Unless you really are a WW II expert.[/QUOTE] lol
in a way i agree. Hitler was doing an amazing job reconstructing germany, he had amazing ideas, and had great intentions to do things, but he just went all crazy about the jews.
That and his silly idea of the master race
[QUOTE=kamikaze470;22742804]Well, no. If Hitler hadn't erected a second front with the Soviets and haven't been so obessed with the Holocaust he would've won the second world war one way or another.[/QUOTE] US would have still finished the nuclear bomb, and Germany would have faced the same fate as Japan.
[QUOTE=Machk;22742030][img]http://www.snyderstreasures.net/images/artworks/AHGermaniaOALarge.jpg[/img] Hitler's sketch. Fairly average, not horrible. It lacks refinement and originality. VS. Otto Dix (Same time period as Hitler) [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0NB3zPRcD7E/SwMBKSiPESI/AAAAAAAABIM/3zUCu7KUdpQ/s1600/1913_self+portrait.jpg[/img] In short, Hitler was an alright artist, however compared to many of his competitors for entrance in Vienna he fell noticeably short.[/QUOTE] That sucks! No wonder he got rejected twice.
[QUOTE=Mattofwiles;22743255]That sucks! No wonder he got rejected twice.[/QUOTE] actually it's pretty good. [editline]01:48AM[/editline] well at least the second one is, because the first one, the way the body is drawn, is way out of perspective and makes me WAT.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;22743269]actually it's pretty good.[/QUOTE] keep in mind, this is the most prestige art school in the world. also, look at the hands and feet, they look really odd.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;22742905]Watch the Military History Channel. After a few WW II documentaries, you should have a decent understanding of WW II and Nazi Germany. Not a college level understanding though, so don't think that you are an expert. Unless you really are a WW II expert.[/QUOTE] US intervention and the attack on the Soviets caused the downfall of the Nazis really. Production was so strained by the height of the war that they started cutting corners and stealing soviet weaponry. Also getting your shit bombed isn't gonna help either.
You can not point a finger and say: "They are evil, and they are good!" The NAzis did realy bad thinks, you can not argue about it. But why did they do it? They were starving, had broken National Pride, Economy Crisis and so on. Then a man comes and says: I will make this Nation great again! Would't you follow him, too? If you ask me, I think the Soviets were a lot worse then the Nazis, sending Hundres of young men in thier certain death.
[QUOTE=MadMaxJ;22747473](...) If you ask me, I think the Soviets were a lot worse then the Nazis, sending Hundreds of young men in their certain death.[/QUOTE] That's nothing, really. At least 10 million people starved to death in the Soviet Union, in parts where the soil is one of the richest in Europe (See: Ukraine), solely because the Soviets took every single thing the peasants grew, even the seeds used to grow next year's crops from the attic, just so they can carry on with the heavily forced industrialization and urbanization, while disregarding everything else, mainly common sense.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;22741604]Does anyone feel the same? Do you ever get the urge to fix the mistakes the Nazis made which lead to their defeat?[/QUOTE] No. I'm not a nazi and would never support the nazis. [editline]01:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=cqbcat;22741745]I wouldn't support the genocide at all though. At least treat the jews more humanely so the Nazis don't look evil in the eyes of the world.[/QUOTE] But you'd still round them up into camps? But you'd treat them nicely so it doesn't matter that you've just gone and held jews prisoner for no reason, other than them being jews?
[QUOTE=Strider_07;22741913]As evidenced by his brilliant strategic ideas, like trying to attack the Soviet Union in the midst of a particularly brutal Russian winter.[/QUOTE] Operation Barbarossa was launched in June 1941. In the northern hemisphere of planet Earth, June is not in winter.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;22741745]No, I just want command of the German military forces. I would avoid pissing off the United States and the Russian winter among other military blunders. I wouldn't support the genocide at all though. At least treat the jews more humanely so the Nazis don't look evil in the eyes of the world.[/QUOTE] Because invading various countries with absolutely no reason was all good and dandy? Get your head out of your ass, treating the jews humanely is wonderful, but invading countries without reason is still absolutely wrong. Especially the way that Czechoslovakia was betrayed by everyone. [editline]12:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ashxu;22742639]Hitler came into power because he was viewed as a savior. Germany was in the gutter after WW1 because of the Treaty of Versailles. They needed to recover from a war, and they had to pay the Allies for war damages and Germany's economy was basically fucked over with Hyper Inflation. It went on for awhile then suddenly this guy promised to restore Germany to it's former glory. Think about it. You're a civilian, starving and your country is in ruins. Then suddenly someone promises to bring your country back in it's feet.[/QUOTE] You seem to forget Gustav Stressemann... from 1925-1929 Germany was recovering very quickly, hell there economy was pretty much back on track and they were making deals with other countries, they even got accepted into the L.o.N. Had it not been for the great depression, WW2 might not have happened, at least not the way it happened. [editline]12:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=MadMaxJ;22747473]You can not point a finger and say: "They are evil, and they are good!" The NAzis did realy bad thinks, you can not argue about it. But why did they do it? They were starving, had broken National Pride, Economy Crisis and so on. Then a man comes and says: I will make this Nation great again! Would't you follow him, too? If you ask me, I think the Soviets were a lot worse then the Nazis, sending Hundres of young men in thier certain death.[/QUOTE] Their sufferings do not necessitate their actions nor do their suffering make their actions right and justified.
Hitler was old and couldnt take the pressure so he started taking drugs which led to his downfall.
Operation Barbarossa was delayed 2 months because of the attack on Yugoslavia. If Hitler skipped Yugoslavia,he might have succeeded in his plans.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;22741604]I facepalm when ever I think of how the great Nazi war machine was defeated. I know [B]some[/B] Nazis where evil and the genocide they caused was horrible.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=cqbcat;22741604]I know [B]some[/B] Nazis where evil and the genocide they caused was horrible.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=cqbcat;22741604]I know [B]some[/B] Nazis where evil[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=cqbcat;22741604][B]where[/B][/QUOTE] Fuck.
OP's retarded. If I had that war machine I'd make it make little baby war machine eggs :downs:
Someone just got done playing Germany in some RTS and is feeling pretty high on the idea of "rebuilding the Reich". In all honesty, if Germany had stopped short of attacking Poland and made nice after finishing off Czechoslovakia, there might not have been much of a war in Europe. France was [I]still[/I] recovering from the staggering loss of population they'd suffered in WWI, so they probably wouldn't have made war if they'd seen any other way around it. The UK seemed to genuinely want to avoid war, not because of cowardice, but because they were trying to avoid the type of devastation they'd seen in Europe not even a generation before. The Soviet Union, if they hadn't been attacked by Germany, might have been facing the prospect of another revolution as Stalin was committing the types of atrocities Hitler was committing without his level of PR...and he was also not limiting it to a few underdog groups, so no one felt safe. People in the Ukraine were actually throwing flower petals in the path of the invading Nazis because they were seen as liberators...of course, It Got Worse. The US was on another isolationist kick and, although Pearl Harbor was just an excuse and we would have gotten in a war with Germany eventually anyway, there would have been no way we would have bothered if the rest of Europe was still "at peace".
Hay hitler was cool doods
[QUOTE=ThePuska;22741892]You'd need to be unhealthily audacious for the leader of a country to even get as far as Russia. Hitler was already playing dice when he annexed Austria, and much more so when he invaded Czechoslovakia.[/QUOTE] He was playing dice with the Rhineland.
[QUOTE=ashxu;22742287]Hitler actually realized this. He originally wanted to conquer Europe and then invade Russia. But things didn't turn out as planned. [/QUOTE] Wrong. Hitler was to concerned with Britain. IF... He gave his officers in Russia more resources/manpower, and actually just let his officers do what they wanted the war would of obviously been won by the Germans. How? Thin as a condom they still managed to deal about 230% more casualties on the allies. If they structured more man power, and equipment against USSR... You would be looking at a very different world right now.
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[QUOTE=Domamin;22741682]Hitler got rejected from an art school twice.[/QUOTE] He got rejected from an art school which a student who did a painting with his poop go in.
Few problems: Nazi economic plans where retarded and would have led to economic collapse eventually Blitzkrieg could only work for a certain amount of time before it would become ineffectual Why the fuck would you want the Nazis to win the war? Hitler wasn't the only anti Semite in the nazi party you know... [editline]05:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;22751313]Wrong. Hitler was to concerned with Britain. IF... He gave his officers in Russia more resources/manpower, and actually just let his officers do what they wanted the war would of obviously been won by the Germans. How? Thin as a condom they still managed to deal about 230% more casualties on the allies. If they structured more man power, and equipment against USSR... You would be looking at a very different world right now.[/QUOTE] What resources? The Nazi Economic involved cheating statistics and lots of bullshit, it would have failed eventually.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;22751313]Wrong. Hitler was to concerned with Britain. IF... He gave his officers in Russia more resources/manpower, and actually just let his officers do what they wanted the war would of obviously been won by the Germans. How? Thin as a condom they still managed to deal about 230% more casualties on the allies. If they structured more man power, and equipment against USSR... You would be looking at a very different world right now.[/QUOTE] He should've just left the USSR alone until he finished up with Britain. Looking back at history, Russia has been the toughest enemy to fight because it is so large and generally lacking modern infrastructure. Plus, he wasn't even ready to fight Russia. They didn't have winter uniforms, winter equipment, winter training, nor the resources to support a supply line from Germany to Moscow. They gambled on a quick win and it lead to their ultimate defeat.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;22741985]You cannot be the leader of a country unified against others by their hate, anger and displease, controlling a war machine created for the purpose of gaining Lebensraum, while being a good person.[/QUOTE] Obama?
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