[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17442360]@1, 2, and 3: So? Right and wrong are abstracts, as I already pointed out. Therefore, if you save money by killing one economy dragger, you have to kill all economy draggers. Or do you think the government should be the morality police? because I don't know about you, but I like masturbating and disrespecting my elders, and I'm happy for gays and I'm glad black people have equal rights. All great things, all things that were at one time seen as "immoral" by idiots.
And in response to your second comment, I'm not living to die. I want to live, not survive. If respecting certain human rights means that my life is a little more dangerous, I'm game.[/QUOTE]
You don't get the point. The death penalty isn't to clean up the economy, or kill of draggers, it's to server justice to murders/rapists/demented torturing pychopaths.
[QUOTE=LOLturtle;17442439]Murder is the [B]unlawful[/B] killing of a human being. Sentencing someone to death in the court of law [B]is not unlawful.[/B] Your point is void.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lankist;17442428]Murder is malicious and intentional homicide.
Executing someone, especially under the pretense of making an "example" of them, is murder. Government mandated but murder all the same.
It is also unlawful in the US under the Constitution.[/QUOTE]
Slow the fuck down.
So many people pretending to care. Ridiculous
[QUOTE=Lankist;17442417]No. You are wrong. Whoever is telling you these things is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Any reasoning to go along with that statement?
[QUOTE=Lankist;17442445]Slow the fuck down.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no. The death penalty is federally constitutionally legal in the US. For a lawyer you seem to be pretty naive.
You're kind of missing the point lolturtle.
[QUOTE=5150Luke;17442447]Any reasoning to go along with the statement?[/QUOTE]
Um because none of you have any formal education and experience while I on the other hand have seen people successfully plead criminal insanity.
The simple fact that a motive exists does not void legitimate and recognizable insanity. A motive simply accentuates that insanity. They may rob a store for cash, and cash is the motive, but if they are schizophrenic that motive doesn't invalidate a legitimate defense.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17442484]Um because none of you have any formal education and experience while I on the other hand have seen people successfully plead criminal insanity.
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An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:
1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
3. Therefore, C is true.
however everything else in that post makes sense.
[QUOTE=Muffinbuster;17442355]An eye for an eye just make the world blind.[/QUOTE]
good thing we have two eyes then, eh?
[QUOTE=Alex9325;17441070]That's pretty fucked up, especially since you knew one of the girls who got killed.[/QUOTE]
Your logic is flawed. Death is especially horrible if you know the person, but statistically, the rest of the dead can fuck themselves?
I am not trying to be cool here by saying I do not care about these two people in practicular but seriously people, just because the people you know get murdered it's automatically worse than any other death there is no backstory or emotion to? Come the fuck on, even you guys cannot be that fucked up. Either care, or don't.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;17442442]You don't get the point. The death penalty isn't to clean up the economy, or kill of draggers, it's to server justice to murders/rapists/demented torturing pychopaths.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, you're the one who doesn't get the point.
Right and wrong and subjective, imaginative, [B]inventions[/B]. There is no such thing as "justice", as you define it. The government is only here to protect it's citizens, and I already addressed the 2 reasons why the the death penalty protects people, and why those reasons are invalid.
[QUOTE=ExTek;17440968][img]http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3108/l322dddfb25ae4b97bc1580.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Such beautiful girls... Such a shame... That guy better fucking get the same treatment as them, dammit! :saddowns:
[QUOTE=5150Luke;17442515]An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:
1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
3. Therefore, C is true.
however everything else in that post makes sense.[/QUOTE]
He's a lawyer.
What's the point in keeping someone alive if they're just going to serve the rest of their pathetic horrible life in jail?
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17442576]He's a lawyer.[/QUOTE]
and I'm a astronaut.
[QUOTE=LOLturtle;17442469]Uh, no. The death penalty is federally constitutionally legal in the US. For a lawyer you seem to be pretty naive.[/QUOTE]
Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, [b]and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[/b]
Death violates that right. That is specifically the right to appeal to the government for any perceived wrongdoing, INCLUDING false imprisonment and sentencing.
Amendment 5
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, [b]nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.[/b]
Accentuates the previous and succeeding rights of criminals. Due Process is guaranteed and unlimited appeal for acquittal.
Amendment 8
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, [b]nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[/b]
Government mandated murder and the violation of the rights guaranteed to all citizens, criminal or otherwise, is cruel and unusual.
Amendment 9
[b]The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.[/b]
Elaboration of further rights not addressed in the Bill of Rights but ensured in the due process of court and the United States Code of Federal Regulations.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17442579]What's the point in keeping someone alive if they're just going to serve the rest of their pathetic horrible life in jail?[/QUOTE]
anal rape.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17442579]What's the point in keeping someone alive if they're just going to serve the rest of their pathetic horrible life in jail?[/QUOTE]
Then give them choice, don't make it for them.
[QUOTE=5150Luke;17442515]An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:
1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
3. Therefore, C is true.
however everything else in that post makes sense.[/QUOTE]
Yes why trust mathematicians either because just because they tell me 1+1=2 doesn't mean it's true.
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[QUOTE=5150Luke;17442593]and I'm a astronaut.[/QUOTE]
How's the Space Station going lately?
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17442606]Then give them choice, don't make it for them.[/QUOTE]
There we go. Isn't that what someone said? They get plenty of choices before a death sentence?
Forget it, after reading the whole thread I realized you guys are just a bunch of sweaty nerds looking at pictures of dead people and the first thing you think about "damn that's hot" and the rest are making jokes that are said to be sick by the other side, but really none of these are the moral high road to take because honestly, you don't care
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17442579]What's the point in keeping someone alive if they're just going to serve the rest of their pathetic horrible life in jail?[/QUOTE]
Because they have the right to life.
[QUOTE=5150Luke;17442593]and I'm a astronaut.[/QUOTE]
No actually, he really is a lawyer.
[QUOTE=Egevened;17442640]but really none of these are the moral high road to take because honestly, you don't care[/QUOTE]
You just figured that out, huh
[QUOTE=Lankist;17442611]Yes why trust mathematicians either because just because they tell me 1+1=2 doesn't mean it's true.
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How's the Space Station going lately?[/QUOTE]
Well 1+1 is equal to 2. If your arguement makes sense I'll agree with you, not just because you might be a lawyer.
Pretty good, still in orbit.
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[QUOTE=Egevened;17442649]No actually, he really is a lawyer.[/QUOTE]
Proof?
[QUOTE=Figgis Fiddis;17441004]The word of the day is now "horrorcore".[/QUOTE]
Hes a rap-metal homosexual, and to be honest, what could you expect from one of those clowns?
I dont even mean clown as an insult, they think their the shit cause they dress up like goth clowns.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17442535]Sorry, you're the one who doesn't get the point.
Right and wrong and subjective, imaginative, [B]inventions[/B]. There is no such thing as "justice", as you define it. The government is only here to protect it's citizens, and I already addressed the 2 reasons why the the death penalty protects people, and why those reasons are invalid.[/QUOTE]
The government is here to protect its citizens from murders, rapists, and pychopaths.
[QUOTE=5150Luke;17442660]Well 1+1 is equal to 2. If your arguement makes sense I'll agree with you, not just because you might be a lawyer.[/quote]
Except your judgement is ill informed and skewed by an uneducated perspective. And it is therefore untrustworthy on the subject matter.
[quote]Proof?[/QUOTE]
Here let me just scan my JD right away for you.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17442648]Because they have the right to life.[/QUOTE]
Why are you even arguing, they will never get the point, this thread is the exact reason why 14 year olds should not run the world
I have argued countless of times about the right to live, and every time they have fought back with the typical "but he killed people he should die like a fucking animal" thing, and I would murder them every time they say that to prove the point
then realize there is no point to it because there will be more who are just as ignorant
This is why rap need to be banned, all of them are going to do something like this within their lifetime.
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