We just need hezzy in here and hear his comment :v:
Not having an ID isn't a crime, unless you're driving without a drivers license.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;23833456]Since when was not having ID a crime?[/QUOTE]
In my state it has always been a crime... Usually it is over the age of 18, you must have identification on you at all times.
You aren't going to be arrested or anything, but I am sure they can issue a ticket for it. Good chance is that they won't unless you are an idiot and a dick to them.
Remember kids, you may think you are big and tough, but when you get pulled over just be polite and mind your own business, even if you aren't doing anything.
A cop can write tickets for almost anything and if you keep your mouth shut you can get out of paying $600 of worthless tickets.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23833265]You were loitering, on private property, and didn't have an ID, yeah, he can arrest you.
So you broke these three laws:
*Loitering
*Trespassing
*Lack of Identification.
[editline]05:57PM[/editline]
And yes, you should have asked for their badge.
"Hurr cops doing their job is abuse of power, hur durr"[/QUOTE]
Lack of ID isn't illegal. I lack ID, yet I don't have cops yelling at me.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;23833456]Since when was not having ID a crime?[/QUOTE]
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You're arrested for not having a...a...a...A LICENSE!
This is an interesting question. Googled about badge numbers, and found a forum post.
Supposedly this person is a defense attorney. No way to verify that, but a sensible post nonetheless:
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No Offense to CampusCop, but I would ignore his caution on [URL="http://everything2.com/title/asserting+your+rights"]asserting your rights[/URL] entirely.
As a [URL="http://everything2.com/title/defense+lawyer"]defense lawyer[/URL], I know that asking a police officer for his badge number and last name sometimes annoys the officer. I have also seen several instances where I police officer has found something additional to write up once this information is asked for. This is why I would advise anyone in this situation to ask for badge number and last name once you have had a ticket issued or once you believe the officer has finished.
I say this because if an officer writes an additional ticket or changes his original charge after you have asserted your legal right for police identification, you have grounds to cite him for abuse of power. I have had a few clients where this has been the case and the officer in question was almost always disciplined because of it (on one occasion, I had a Park Police officer discharged completely due to taking action after his badge number was asked for) and often times, if the original offense was minor, this can cause the entire charge to be withdrawn.
In addition to that, taking notes and times is incredibly important in a court of law. I think it is ludicrous to make the claim that this makes "you look as if you are constantly getting in trouble." You can never be too precise or have too much information. In fact, most police officers would disagree with [URL="http://everything2.com/title/CampusCop"]CampusCop[/URL], as it is a great help to the officers to have this information because they, too, take notes of these instances and giving them your own to cross reference makes their lives a hell of a lot easier.
Video footage is also a tricky subject. Or should I say, audio, is a tricky subject. In most states, if it completely legal to video tape without someone's consent. That is not the case for audio (lawmakers are a tad slow), as almost all states have laws against making an audio recording without informing them first. If video or audio tape an officer, you must let them know first, and this, as CampusCop orginally stated, may annoy them and cause them to find something wrong with what you are doing. In contrast, asking for identification afterwards and taking diligent notes and/or having a witness is always a better bet.
I would, however, agree that you should always address them as officer or detective or sir/ma'am. Even if they are being abusive, you should always address them with respect and assert your rights and you will have a much better chance of clearing up the situation later. In the moment, they have the power and there's almost nothing you can do to take that away from them on the street.
Finally, (again with no offense intended to CampusCop himself) I must note that I have had many many cases where Campus Police, Transit Police, the aforementioned Park Police, etc. have abused their power. I would encourage extreme caution when dealing with these police officers and extend them the same respect you would someone on the NYPD. This is not always the case, and subsequently, they are often quicker to assert their authority to prove that they are not "rent-a-cops". If you are in their jurisdiction, they are the law and you should respect that,
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Seems like a wise thing to do. If you think a cop is abusing his position, let him write his ticket and conclude his business, [I]then[/I] ask him for his badge number and name. If he speciously writes you another ticket after you've asked him for his badge number, it could then become a case of abuse of power.
[QUOTE=Zareox7;23835093]It actually sounds like they worked for that building you were outside of and they were suspicious you were trying to do something illegal on their property. If it were Private Investigators, then they weren't police officers and unless they were specifically hired by the police force, have no authority. Also by arresting you, he probably meant call in his cop buddies to arrest you for loitering. Sounds to me like the guy was just giving you shit.[/QUOTE]
This is right.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;23833200]Cops abuse their power, nothing new.[/QUOTE]
Nice generalization.
Most don't. I've never met a police officer that abused his power or gave me unnecessary trouble.
[QUOTE=Crimor;23836022]First, always ask to see their badge and a slip with their badge number, deters them from abusing their power, never consent to a search(They could plant shit), and to the people saying they were loitering, where did he say he was just throwing the trash on the ground?[/QUOTE]
you're thinking of littering. easy mistake
[QUOTE=pyrofiliac;23833893]Since a couple weeks ago. At least in arizona it is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I heard about that, ins't it some dumb immigration law?
[QUOTE=Jake951716;23834084]Did you know that you're not legally trespassing until the owner of the land/area tells you to leave?[/QUOTE]
Only if it isn't posted.
[QUOTE=Mr. Gestapo;23833392]Private Investigators probably can't do anything, they're civilians. They're not part of the police and definitely aren't cops.[/QUOTE]
True, bro. True. Just make sure day got some kind of idenification dat is legitimite. Because some guys try to immitate da real homies with badges.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;23834935]In Northern Ireland, and your catholic, you don't tend to like cops at all
but cops aren't allowed to do a search without your consent or Hard evidence
P.S not being offensive to protestants, it's just that the cops in my area don't like Catholics but let anybody else away. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
Does that shit seriously still go on in Ireland?
Just start the stupid war up again and end this once and for all
You were loitering (Try sitting in a public park instead next time)
Also, I don't think they can actually do anything unless they can prove who they are (They should have a badge, even PI's)
Don't allow them to search you, they have no reason to suspect there's anything in there.
You can't be loitering unless there is a "No Loitering" sign posted, same with Trespassing. Having no ID means nothing if you are under 18 unless you are driving or something. Private Investigators also can't do shit, as stated earlier they are civilians and they certainly can't arrest anyone apart from civilian arrest which isn't going to happen for loitering.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23833265]You were loitering, on private property, and didn't have an ID, yeah, he can arrest you.
So you broke these three laws:
*Loitering
*Trespassing
*Lack of Identification.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly sure having ID on you is not a legal requirement.
Agreed, I'm sure it's not illegal... It would be so stupid
I rarely carry ID with me.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23833265]You were loitering, on private property, and didn't have an ID, yeah, he can arrest you.
So you broke these three laws:
*Loitering
*Trespassing
*Lack of Identification.
[editline]05:57PM[/editline]
And yes, you should have asked for their badge.
"Hurr cops doing their job is abuse of power, hur durr"[/QUOTE]
$20 this kids dad is a cop. :colbert:
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;23833456]Since when was not having ID a crime?[/QUOTE]
In Holland, if you're 16 and a cop, at any time, asks you to show your ID, and you can't show it, or don't have it, he can take you to a police station for further investigation.
Cops cant search your bags if you dont allow them (close your bag before cops see your drugs), also ask them if they are detaining you or are you free to go.
Never run or they cuff you, ignore their questions and if the annoy you too much tell them you want to speak to your lawyer first.
Sure can. Doesn't mean they should be dicks about it though. Unfortunately, that's the way it is for most of them.
Cops are bastards
Am I the only one who read the op in the style of quarter life?
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;23833437]Eh, I used to support cops, but I've yet to encounter a cop that I've liked. I guess it comes with years of service that you just become a suspicious asshole from being stepped on and lied to and having the system screw you over when you know you're right.
I can sympathize with the police but some can be major dicks regardless. One time a cop tried to say I was loitering because I was sitting at the train for two trains to pass that were literally packed to the walls and he wanted me to get on, I was like "Okay, sure" and walked really slowly to the train until the doors closed and said "oops." He wasn't happy but even so, there's no signs displayed that say no loitering at the train stops, and no rules saying you can't wait for the next train.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I drive a cooter since I'm only 17 and you can't drive before you're 18. Anyways the scooters aren't allowed to drive more then 30 Km/H and alot of teenagers like me doesn't respect this, and tune them, although mine isn't tuned I get pulled over alot by cops, because it's a rather large problem and does get alot of people injured/killed, but they have all been friendly and polite, I don't get people's beef with the police.
[QUOTE=Doozle;23843906]I'm fairly sure having ID on you is not a legal requirement.[/QUOTE]
Sure helps if it becomes one, though.
I never knew it was illegal to not have ID on you for identification. I'm sure it's not illegal in the UK. I guess it helps to identify you on site for future reference if needed like if a crime was committed in that area around about the time you were there.
Don't question authority, son.
[QUOTE=Noz;23836028]Needing an ID when you're just walking around? What is this City 17?[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of Taco 'n Banana RP.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Gestapo;23833392]Private Investigators probably can't do anything, they're civilians. They're not part of the police and definitely aren't cops.[/QUOTE]
this
unless you are hired by a federally licensed office, detaining a person against their will is illegal
