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I've been tempted to try pure MDMA instead of ecstasy.
it is basically the same thing, if you have nice pills atleast
[QUOTE=scorpinat;42552055]lsd dont use any serotonin. But if you are talking about mdma, it could take up to 6 weeks to get back to its baseline the lsd tolerance is about 7 days[/QUOTE] Actually LSD and a lot of other psychedelics influence serotonin; [url]http://science.howstuffworks.com/lsd4.htm[/url] This whole article is really interesting!!
[QUOTE=jonashappy;42554172]Actually LSD and a lot of other psychedelics influence serotonin; [URL]http://science.howstuffworks.com/lsd4.htm[/URL] This whole article is really interesting!![/QUOTE] It influences serotonin pathways by binding to 5-ht receptors but it doesn't cause a flood of it like MDMA. The euphoria you can get from psychedelics is different in nature than molly (amplifies and changes current patterns rather than causing an overload) and in effect doesn't lead to serotonin depletion.
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;42552462]Holy shit all that sounds amazing. Now I want to just start with 7 again. [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] Sorry I keep missing your posts, on a phone. After reading your link, I'd say the blotters were probably 50-75 mic each.[/QUOTE] Just saying, once you get into the higher doses, the increasing of the dose becomes more intense the higher it gets, if that makes any sense. Or at least, that's what this thread says. [url]http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7497220#7497220[/url] Not sure if it's true, just making sure you knew of the possibility. :v:
at a certain point you can only see moving fractals , and are so mindfucked you experience a ego death. you cant talk straight , you don't know if you are breathing and you don't know who and where you are. all you know is that strange shit is happening. those are beyond ''fun'' doses and can be really scary. but they can also be very enlightened [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] anything beyond this dose is a waste of lsd, it doesn't get any weirder than this
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;42554788]It influences serotonin pathways by binding to 5-ht receptors but it doesn't cause a flood of it like MDMA. The euphoria you can get from psychedelics is different in nature than molly (amplifies and changes current patterns rather than causing an overload) and in effect doesn't lead to serotonin depletion.[/QUOTE] Dopamine is what causes the euphoria from MDMA though. Serotonin creates the empathogenic feelings but doesn't cause euphoria directly AFAIK.
[QUOTE=scorpinat;42556283]at a certain point you can only see moving fractals , and are so mindfucked you experience a ego death. you cant talk straight , you don't know if you are breathing and you don't know who and where you are. all you know is that strange shit is happening. those are beyond ''fun'' doses and can be really scary. but they can also be very enlightened [editline]17th October 2013[/editline] anything beyond this dose is a waste of lsd, it doesn't get any weirder than this[/QUOTE] Honestly that sounds great. I'm at a really good place in my life, relationships, job wise. I've done shrooms quite a few times and I've never had a bad time with those or with any other psychedelics (DXM/DPH, DMT, MDMA). I've experience ego death before on shrooms and it was an intense and fascinating trip. While I was on LSD, I tried thinking of all the little things that had been stressing me out, and I literally couldn't find a single unhappy thought in my head. I felt like my brain was on a vacation. My trip partner was having the opposite experience after his recently-ex girlfriend texted him during it, which sucked. LSD seems like the perfect drug for me, and I think I'll know for sure after I see how intense it can really get.
So, I've been thinking of doing MDMA for a little while now, but I'm a lonely fuck with no close friends nearby. Do you think it would be worth it to do it alone? Or should I wait for a better enviroment for my first time? I've heard a few people say the first time is the greatest and then everytime you so it gets less "magical".
[QUOTE=Terabytez;42560401]So, I've been thinking of doing MDMA for a little while now, but I'm a lonely fuck with no close friends nearby. Do you think it would be worth it to do it alone? Or should I wait for a better enviroment for my first time? I've heard a few people say the first time is the greatest and then everytime you so it gets less "magical".[/QUOTE]Do it alone. Don't do it excessively and it won't lose its magic.
[QUOTE=Terabytez;42560401]So, I've been thinking of doing MDMA for a little while now, but I'm a lonely fuck with no close friends nearby. Do you think it would be worth it to do it alone? Or should I wait for a better enviroment for my first time? I've heard a few people say the first time is the greatest and then everytime you so it gets less "magical".[/QUOTE] I would recommend you do it with someone you wouldn't mind fucking, even if you don't end up fucking.
How long will it be for this DPH trip to end. I remember feeling the effects the day after really badly. But my main question is, how long until the short memory last? I have horrible short term memory when I'm on DPH. And I usually talk to myself in my head and be very introverted so I appear lethargic and anti-social.
[QUOTE=ScoobyV2;42562191]How long will it be for this DPH trip to end. I remember feeling the effects the day after really badly. But my main question is, how long until the short memory last? I have horrible short term memory when I'm on DPH. And I usually talk to myself in my head and be very introverted so I appear lethargic and anti-social.[/QUOTE] well its dph.... kinda makes u that way, thats kinda what dph does... look up a vid of someone tipping on it, they basically do nothing, but in thei head theye tippin the fuck out...
[QUOTE=Dan The Man;42557718]Dopamine is what causes the euphoria from MDMA though. Serotonin creates the empathogenic feelings but doesn't cause euphoria directly AFAIK.[/QUOTE] Are you certain? I've always been under the impression that both can cause euphoria but of different kinds. From personal experience euphoria I receive from dominantly serotonergic substances has been distinctly different from the dopaminergic equivalent, serotonin euphoria being in the form of "omg everything is so beautiful and lovely" while the dopamine kind being more "omg everything feels so good and right". Just from taking high amounts of 5-htp, which is purely serotonergic, you can feel very happy and slightly euphoric even, so I'd say attributing euphoria only to dopamine doesn't seem like a valid conclusion. Then again there's a bit of both involved in MDMA and most other drugs capable of producing euphoria, and even when taking only 5-htp there's a synergy with endogenous dopamine, so I imagine high-dosage euphoric effects are a combination of the two, with the dominant one mostly shaping the nature of it. In fact it's fully possible the combination of both is required to get full-blown euphoria.
I've taken large doses of 5-HTP and have never had any euphoria, even whilst simultaneously taking Selegiline (an MAOI capable of inhibiting serotonin metabolism). I've also taken MDAI which is a purely serotonergic drug with similar affinities to MDMA and had no euphoria (a problem echoed by many bluelighters). It was kind of interesting, 'giddy' even, but definitely not euphoric. Mixing it with mephedrone had positive results though, and was considered very MDMA-like. I guess the issue is that euphoria is a very vague definition. Benzos are said to induce euphoria for some (including me, although I wouldn't say it's euphoria in a classic sense) despite the fact that they are completely different drugs to amphetamine derivatives. I believe this is due to temporary freedom from anxiety. The euphoria I think of, the purest form as it were, would be dopaminergic euphoria. The euphoria that is entirely hedonistic and requires no interpretation or baseline anxiety to enjoy.
[QUOTE=Dan The Man;42563157]I've taken large doses of 5-HTP and have never had any euphoria, even whilst simultaneously taking Selegiline (an MAOI capable of inhibiting serotonin metabolism). I've also taken MDAI which is a purely serotonergic drug with similar affinities to MDMA and had no euphoria (a problem echoed by many bluelighters). It was kind of interesting, 'giddy' even, but definitely not euphoric. Mixing it with mephedrone had positive results though, and was considered very MDMA-like. I guess the issue is that euphoria is a very vague definition. Benzos are said to induce euphoria for some (including me, although I wouldn't say it's euphoria in a classic sense) despite the fact that they are completely different drugs to amphetamine derivatives. I believe this is due to temporary freedom from anxiety. The euphoria I think of, the purest form as it were, would be dopaminergic euphoria. The euphoria that is entirely hedonistic and requires no interpretation or baseline anxiety to enjoy.[/QUOTE] i get mild euphoria from a daily 50mg 5htp
[QUOTE=scorpinat;42563475]i get mild euphoria from a daily 50mg 5htp[/QUOTE] Lucky bastard.
might be doing some mdma tonight, will be my 5th time.
I bought a tab of LSD today. Never done it before. I've been reading a lot about it, mainly on erowid, and it sounds pretty great, but I'm kind of torn on whether to try it today or save it for later. I feel like I'm prepared and in a suitable state of mind to do it, but I haven't really had time to think it over since the chance to buy just came up this morning. Any thoughts/suggestions from people with experience?
Is pure MDMA safer than ecstasy?
afaik ecstasy may have other amphetamines and whatnot cut in there with it, along with other unknowns so I'd say yeah
[QUOTE=Faren;42575032]afaik ecstasy may have other amphetamines and whatnot cut in there with it, along with other unknowns so I'd say yeah[/QUOTE] Is the high from pure MDMA better than the high from ecstasy? I've heard some pretty bad stories about ecstasy from my friends, such as people taking one and then going into cardiac arrest. Are these credible?
[QUOTE=Samppa;42573273]I bought a tab of LSD today. Never done it before. I've been reading a lot about it, mainly on erowid, and it sounds pretty great, but I'm kind of torn on whether to try it today or save it for later. I feel like I'm prepared and in a suitable state of mind to do it, but I haven't really had time to think it over since the chance to buy just came up this morning. Any thoughts/suggestions from people with experience?[/QUOTE] Can you verify that it's actually acid? Some metrics I've used before: LSD can be eaten, it usually doesn't have a taste to it and it should fluoresce under blacklight.
[QUOTE=Leader of Me;42575691]Is the high from pure MDMA better than the high from ecstasy? I've heard some pretty bad stories about ecstasy from my friends, such as people taking one and then going into cardiac arrest. Are these credible?[/QUOTE] Ecstasy isn't even a drug, it's just a name for a pill that is unlikely to contain MDMA which can possibly contain dangerous drugs such as PMA, BZP and the like. If you can only get ecstasy pills, then use [url]www.pillreports.com[/url] to look at the pill you have if you can find it, and it will probably have a report on what the pill is likely to contain. Alternatively, you can get some marquis reagent from joe588 (he has a thread somewhere in this forum) and test a portion of the pill yourself. I would always recommend getting MDMA (common street names: mandy or molly) if at all possible as it is usually the real deal. As for cardiac arrest from ecstasy pills, it does happen, but it is nearly always a non-MDMA substance which causes it. Ecstasy pills often contain amphetamine (speed) which can stress the heart out quite a lot especially if taken with MDMA. It is possible for any stimulant to cause cardiac arrest, but I really wouldn't stress about it with MDMA as it's not a terribly strong stimulant.
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;42576016]Can you verify that it's actually acid? Some metrics I've used before: LSD can be eaten, it usually doesn't have a taste to it and it should fluoresce under blacklight.[/QUOTE] real lsd can taste bitter, especially on printed tabs
[QUOTE=creative;42576820]real lsd can taste bitter, especially on printed tabs[/QUOTE]this is true but rarely is the case [quote] and it should fluoresce under blacklight.[/quote] lol what is this horseshit, you're destroying your lsd by doing this
[QUOTE=TehWhale;42576854] lol what is this horseshit, you're destroying your lsd by doing this[/QUOTE] That's true if you're holding your tabs under uv light for several minutes, but can 2 seconds really make any noticeable difference to see if it fluoresces blue? I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;42576923]That's true if you're holding your tabs under uv light for several minutes, but can 2 seconds really make any noticeable difference to see if it fluoresces blue? I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]It's been proven to not prove anything at all about your LSD, and yes, LSD is an extremely sensitive compound. Chances are the blotter will glow too, not to mention many other compounds with also glow. It doesn't prove anything.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;42576854]this is true but rarely is the case[/QUOTE] lol what? how many times have you taken LSD? I've gotten more bitter tasting tabs than I have gotten ones with no taste.
Not the LSD taste argument again..
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