• Drugs Discussion Questions Thread V "how many weed needles is too many?"
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[QUOTE=Bhagavad;43386774]mdma converts to MDA at high doses which causes the hallucinations[/QUOTE] I had the wildest hallucinations I ever had on MDMA here the other day - and that was confirmed pure MDMA. Did around 320-360mg over the course of a few hours. Came down from the roll, and not long after I got the most realistic and intense hallucinations I ever had. People came up to me and started talking to me, and I couldn't make out if they were real or not. Was in a public space so there's the dilemma between ignoring someone and being rude or looking like a nutcase because you're talking into thin air. Sick stuff. Much much more realistic and intense hallucinations than on acid, and I did 400ug of acid the time I did it - which was a hell of a trip btw. Luckily you don't get the fucked up thoughts and the weird and intense/fuzzy shit going on in your head that you get on acid. Much more easy to take in, but it can be pretty annoying when you can't realize whether the hallucinations are real or not. :v: I know a lot of people mean that if you hallucinate on MDMA you've gotten something that was mixed with something else. That's 100% bullshit. I've done MDMA 3 times, different sources every time and properly tested every time, none of it was cut. All the times I did it I got hallucinations (at the end of the roll), the 2 first time I got much more laid back visuals though, like watching football matches on the curtains, pictures coming alive etc - nothing like talking to people who wasn't there, being convinced they were real. That said I did a lot more when I met "people" on it, plus that I was in a place with a lot of outer stimuli like lasers and shit - which helps your brain do funky stuff as it's already somewhat overloaded sensory wise. All of my hallucinations went away as soon as I left that room.
yea man Im actually 100 percent right that the mdma turns to mda at high doses cause you cant metabolize it correctly anyone can look it up and see. MDA causes quite vivid hallucinations
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43337671]If it's not acid, it's likely 25i-NBOMe or another NBOMe. If it starts turning your mouth numb, then you know it's an NBOMe.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the help guys - here's how it went down for me. I took it with my friend a day before New Year. First thing I noticed was that it was bitter and then a numbing sensation. I couldn't remember the name (25I), so I just googled "if it's bitter it's a spitter" and found it. We both agreed to go along with it though. What surprised me was that the blotters were really small - about 0,5x0,5 cm. Anyway. It was pretty fun, lasted some 5-6 hours. When I took it, I felt a kind of "I'm going to the dentist and my stomach's curled up in a ball" feeling, but without the anxiousness. Maybe 15 minutes in, I felt the blotter kick in, slowly and steadily. I felt kind of nauseous the first hour or so and had to stay seated or lying down, but that quickly passed. Hallucinations were limited to shifting patterns, as if everything was floating, every once in a while I'd have to move my head to figure out what perspective I'm looking at something from. Also, everything was colorful and a bit off-beat - as if the hue of all the colors in the room had shifted a bit. I tried closing my eyes at some point to see if I'll get any closed eye visuals, but I was still a bit nauseous, so I had to open them, and afterwards I forgot about that... Another thing - I have this nice Philips TV with Ambilight, which as far as I'm concerned right now is the best investment I've ever made in my entire life - it sure made the experience more pleasant. When we got used to the state we were in, I put on some jazz and we started discussing topics of unfathomable depth - everything from how languages work, to how we perceive and understand music. It was really interesting and I found myself ignoring my friends every once in a while because I wanted to chase a thought in my brain and reach a conclusion. I noticed that there were things that my sitter (who had only smoked weed) couldn't understand, but my mate who was as high as I was, could. And not because my sitter is stupid or anything - there was definitely a mental stimulation coming from the drug - it let me see wa-a-ay outside the box, which was a really rewarding experience. Every once in a while we'd jump music genres, but we both felt that each moment deserved it's own kind of music. Kind of hard to explain, but basically, at any point in time, we were in complete agreeance about what to listen to. One minute it was jazz, then drum and base, some classical and a funk some every once in a while. Point is, only some songs felt right, but they felt right to both of us. I found this synchronization to be really peculiar. About 3 hours in, we decided to smoke a joint... Rather unsuccessfully. The first couple of pulls, I could barely feel the smoke going in my lungs and I didn't feel anything from the weed itself. An hour later, we smoked again and this time, there was a noticeable effect. We didn't get too stoned though and continued our discussions, going from room to room every once in a while just for a change of atmosphere. At some point around that time, my mate went on the balcony for a breath of fresh air, which reminded me to look up in the sky. And oh boy, was it absolutely stunning. My sitter duly informed me that there are barely 6-7 visible starts in the sky (I live in the center of a big city), but for us, it was like staring down the heavens in a beautiful clear night. I'm really curious to see how an actual starry sky looks like on either this or LSD, but it must feel like staring at a live-version of the Hubble Extra Deep Field. Anyways, I digress. We smoked another joint (this is about 4 1/2 hours in), and went back to talking. I noticed that our conversations slowly started degrading in the quality department. Don't get me wrong - it didn't turn boring, we just gradually started talking about casual stuff, as if we were more stoned than tripping. The visuals were still pretty much the same, but at this point you could feel the high starting to wane a bit. I'm not sure if this is attributed to the weed or if the 25i was just wearing off. We decided to watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (I've probably watched it 6-7 times on, on a variety of drugs :v:). It was an enjoyable experience, and having tried a psychedelic drug gave me a new perspective on the movie. At about T+05:00 hours, I noticed that the thing had basically worn off - we weren't tripping anymore. My mate concurred, and we continued watching the movie. We shared another joint and at about 4 o'clock in the morning, the movie was over and we were out of weed. We really needed to eat as well, so we set off to a 24/7 kebap place not far from where I live. Unfortunately it was closed, so we decided to walk (no public transportation at that time) to a Drive Through McDonald's about half an hour away. Not the brightest idea, seeing how it was winter and -2 C, but it wasn't [I]that[/I] bad. We walked through the empty streets in the center of the city and it was staggeringly beautiful. A milky fog had set on everything and the night-time lights blended in, with the roads seemingly going nowhere. Absolutely staggeringly stunning. We were still a bit offset by the drugs and we managed to appreciate the beauty fully. I still wish we had done that in the middle of our tripping, because it would've been unforgettable, but no matter. We ate at McDonald's, parted ways and me and my sitter went back to my place (he lives on the other side of the city). We came back at about 6:30 and my friend immediately went to sleep. I listened to a bit of music, made myself a cup of black tea, chugged it and browsed Facepunch for a bit. A girl friend of mine asked me what I'm doing awake at this hour (it was national holidays that day) and she invited me to go ice-skating with her and a couple of her friends. I was a bit sleepy, but I decided to go with it. I messaged my friend (the guy I tripped with) and asked him if he wanted to come along - he agreed, I left a note to my sleeping mate and went out! We met up, but the ice-skating rink was closed, so we went to Starbucks and drank a cup of hot chocolate. I remember being more sober than ever before in my entire life - I was definitely a bit sleepy, but with an extremely clear head. We parted ways again, and on the subway ride back home, I remember struggling for maybe 10 minutes to find a song to listen to. Finally, I set on The Who's "My Generation", which again, really fit the moment for me. In fact, it was the [I]only[/I] song that did. I browsed through maybe 150 songs in those 10 minutes, including a lot that I had listened to earlier in the night, but only that one song felt right at that point in time. Anyway, I came back home, smoked a cigarette, left another note to my (still) sleeping mate to just take his stuff and go when he wakes up, because I'm deathly tired. I slept from 9 AM to 6 PM. Woke up, drank another cup of tea and I was all set for the next day. The same day, my friend (intermittently) complained to me that weed barely had any effect on him. I hadn't smoked, so I couldn't speak on the matter. Anyway, that's my (first) experience with what I believe was 25i (and my first experience with any psychedelics). Sorry for the wall of text, but I had a bit of a stream of consciousness at 6 AM and decided to share. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] Resolutions for the next time I take psychedelics: Look at a clear sky Walk around town in the middle of a dead night Play Space Engine Watch Winamp Visualization
Anyone know a good online Australian bong shop?
[QUOTE=bs8814;43400970]Anyone know a good online Australian bong shop?[/QUOTE] Hit up any TGS. Ask the clerk if they sell any bongs. They'll probably give you a look over and if they think you're legit they'll give you a catalogue of bongs to choose from.
I remember my christmas night, I took one pill and just chilled, soon as I took second one I saw shit .
I got mine from ozbongs [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/02ljpr3l.jpg[/IMG]
Yeah I saw ozbongs. I'll probably get one from there.
How many micrograms is in the "average" street dose of LSD? How many micrograms would you reccomend for a first timer?
[QUOTE=Faren;43401809]I got mine from ozbongs [/QUOTE] Yo man, can you link us that sweet wallpaper?
[QUOTE=The Aussie;43403091]How many micrograms is in the "average" street dose of LSD? How many micrograms would you reccomend for a first timer?[/QUOTE] obviously it varies so much, but from what I hear anywhere from 60ug to 120ug, but there's been reports of as much as 220ug so who really knows, pretty much have to take it to or test it to know. Hey guys, I'm buying a couple xanax bars to keep my anxiety at bay, am I overpaying for $5 a 2mg bar?
[QUOTE=The Aussie;43403091]How many micrograms is in the "average" street dose of LSD? How many micrograms would you reccomend for a first timer?[/QUOTE] varies like a motherfucker, just start with half a tab to gauge the strength of the tabs you get then wait 2 weeks to have a proper trip [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] 250ug used to be the standard back when lsd first came out on tabs haha
[QUOTE=Bhagavad;43404642]varies like a motherfucker, just start with half a tab to gauge the strength of the tabs you get then wait 2 weeks to have a proper trip [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] 250ug used to be the standard back when lsd first came out on tabs haha[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_blotter_microgram_1987.pdf[/url] Interesting read
[QUOTE=The Aussie;43403091]How many micrograms is in the "average" street dose of LSD? How many micrograms would you reccomend for a first timer?[/QUOTE] As has been said, street tabs will usually be anywhere from 60-120ug, likely on the weaker end of that spectrum. A good first time dose in my opinion would be around 100-120ug. You're still in perfect control of everything but you're also in a nice deep psychedelic state, you have an amazing body high that feels like pleasurable tingles flowing through you, and music will be the greatest thing ever. You'll have light visuals but nothing overwhelming. You'll likely have to will the visuals on a little by staring at a specific point. Point being, 120ug should be a nice comfortable dose.
[QUOTE=Bhagavad;43404642]varies like a motherfucker, just start with half a tab to gauge the strength of the tabs you get then wait 2 weeks to have a proper trip [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] 250ug used to be the standard back when lsd first came out on tabs haha[/QUOTE]half a tab? always take two
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43407986]half a tab? always take two[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's take two tabs of something with unidentifiable strength, what could possibly go wrong?
[QUOTE=Stopper;43408127]Yeah, let's take two tabs of something with unidentifiable strength, what could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE]if it's lsd you have nothing to worry about. you aren't going to get tabs above 150ug unless you're really lucky and most tabs will be 60-100ug.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43407986]half a tab? always take two[/QUOTE] i recall reading a story on the web where a guy bought some "big ben" blotter and ate it on the spot, only for his dealer to tell him "dude what the fuck i was gonna tell you that you need to rip it into 1/4ths..." his ego went bye-bye that day.
Quick bit of advice, I just rolled a joint and me and my girlfriend are drinking tonight. Is it better to blaze then drink or the other way round? As far as I remember one of them makes you more likely to feel ill.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;43408610]Quick bit of advice, I just rolled a joint and me and my girlfriend are drinking tonight. Is it better to blaze then drink or the other way round? As far as I remember one of them makes you more likely to feel ill.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure you smoke then drink.
It can honstely go either way, just don't overdo it. on New years I puked after smoking, but i had already eaten a bunch of guacamole corn chips, drank hard liquor, champagne then beer. Also I took massive bong rips because #yolo
in my experience, blaze before drink. every time I've blazed after drinking a fair amount I got the dizzies real bad and on at least one occasion I've puked that way. its usually okay though if I smoke after only having had like a beer or two
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43408371]if it's lsd you have nothing to worry about. you aren't going to get tabs above 150ug unless you're really lucky and most tabs will be 60-100ug.[/QUOTE] That's the whole problem. You don't [I]know[/I] it's LSD. And you don't [I]know[/I] how strong it is. [editline]4th January 2014[/editline] In my experience, don't drink, it just makes your head spin if you've smoked/are about to smoke.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43408371]if it's lsd you have nothing to worry about. you aren't going to get tabs above 150ug unless you're really lucky and most tabs will be 60-100ug.[/QUOTE] Physically you don't have anything to worry about. But on the mental plane and experience wise, you do. You want a good first experience with psychedelics, don't you? I did 3 tabs, about 400µg in total my first time, and I tell you that was a hell of a ride. You don't want to do that. Better tread carefully and go easy the first time, and work your way up from there. Heads first into something like that is something I highly suggest not doing. Sure, I came out of it with my psyche intact and all that, but all of us went bat-shit insane at the time, and it was not pleasant. At all. In hindsight it's all in all an experience I wouldn't be without, but I advice strongly against it.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;43408371]if it's lsd you have nothing to worry about. you aren't going to get tabs above 150ug unless you're really lucky and most tabs will be 60-100ug.[/QUOTE] The stuff I get I'd estimate would be the average strength for LSD going around, however what I've been getting recently is AT LEAST twice that strength (probably more like three times to be honest). Hell, the guy I get it from said that he couldn't in good conscience make any transactions without that being fully understood (he's a complete bro, only wants what's best for people). He wasn't joking either, it's fucking strong stuff. [editline]4th January 2014[/editline] Also I always advice two for a first timer. Then again I know the guy I get mine from and with the exception of this current very potent batch they're all approximately similar in strength (he also tests them before he lets anybody else buy) so I know that two is probably the optimal amount for a great time. If you know people who know the dealer ask around and see if he's consistent, if he's trustworthy, etc. If so, ask them to gauge what a good dose is.
I'm planning on getting it off silk road, from a vendor named aKid. He says the tabs are roughly 150 micrograms, and it's only $9 a tab. No one has reported a bitter taste from the tabs either. I know it's a long shot but has anyone got any experience with him? Thanks for all the help.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;43408818]in my experience, blaze before drink. every time I've blazed after drinking a fair amount I got the dizzies real bad and on at least one occasion I've puked that way. its usually okay though if I smoke after only having had like a beer or two[/QUOTE] Yeah It definitely kicked in the spins but once i got those damned chips out of me I could sleep. They're the old dutch guacamole ones and they're vivid green. They come out the same color :v:
[QUOTE=The Aussie;43409933]I'm planning on getting it off silk road, from a vendor named aKid. He says the tabs are roughly 150 micrograms, and it's only $9 a tab. No one has reported a bitter taste from the tabs either. I know it's a long shot but has anyone got any experience with him? Thanks for all the help.[/QUOTE] $9 sounds suspiciously cheap. Then again it might be because of the insane prices over here, and I'm not sure how the Aussie SR prices are. Anyways, if he's got a lot of sales under his belt with good reviews he should be fine. You can never be 100% sure though. If you go for it, just see if it's around normal size for a blotter when it arrives. Not much else fits on a standard blotter, at least not enough to be dangerous - unless he puts botulinumtoxin on of course, but honestly, who would do that? And I'd suggest not taking more than 1. Should be more than enough, plus if you don't notice anything - you know you shouldn't take any more, let alone more tabs in 1 go.
[QUOTE=Geomancer;43409979]$9 sounds suspiciously cheap. Then again it might be because of the insane prices over here, and I'm not sure how the Aussie SR prices are. Anyways, if he's got a lot of sales under his belt with good reviews he should be fine. You can never be 100% sure though. If you go for it, just see if it's around normal size for a blotter when it arrives. Not much else fits on a standard blotter, at least not enough to be dangerous - unless he puts botulinumtoxin on of course, but honestly, who would do that? And I'd suggest not taking more than 1. Should be more than enough, plus if you don't notice anything - you know you shouldn't take any more, let alone more tabs in 1 go.[/QUOTE] $16 dollars a tab with a ten strip minimum. On the contrast he's a one tab minimum for $9. If i lose my $9 it's a lot less of a big deal than losing $160 worth.
[QUOTE=Geomancer;43396778]lots about MDMA visuals[/QUOTE] Man I really love MDMA visuals. The first time I ever had I t, I apparently had about 0.6 of a gram over the course of the night (that's one big bomb followed by a couple top ups) and this was at a really hippyish festival so there were all sorts of cool shit for people to look at on psychedellics. All the trees were lit up by spotlights and there were projections over some walls. So at one point, I started to notice the trees looked a bit odd, they basically turned into something different every time I looked at them. At first, I thought they were massive posters or something with cool patterns on them but the most memorable bit was when they turned into boots. Just repeating patterns of giant boots. That shit was beautiful. I had no idea mandy even caused visuals because nobody told me, I didn't really know what to think. I just loved it. It wasn't till I told a more experienced friend what I was seeing before I understood. As the sun was rising, me and a couple friends lay in the grass watching the clouds and I could get them to morph into basically whatever I was thinking of. Again, at first I just thought the clouds looked remarkably like cars but when I realised how quickly they were changing I knew what was going on. At one point, I shouted "The clouds are watercolours" at the top of my voice and a group of people nearby chuckled to themselves. They knew what was going down. Later on when we were back at our tents, properly monged out lying on the floor while everyone else was just waking up, I got another weird visual experience. A friend had gone back to her tent quite a way away and when she came back, she was pure blue and I'd assumed it was for like a Morris dancing workshop or something then I looked around and everyone was blue and again I realised it was hallucinations again.
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