Drugs Discussion Questions Thread V "how many weed needles is too many?"
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1 or 2 lines
[QUOTE=cody8295;45341145]1 or 2 lines[/QUOTE]
Alright, about how big? Thumb length?
[QUOTE=cody8295;45341145]1 or 2 lines[/QUOTE]
1 or 2 "lines" isn't a very good suggestion lines could be any size + length, .1-.2 mg to start with I'd say, and just take more as you want it, it should kick in in like 10-20 minutes after snorting.
honestly giving measured doses of cocaine is pretty trivial as a) most people don't have a scale, especially a milligram scale and b) the potency of cocaine varies a lot. i could only give an accurate dosage if i was familiar with the blow or if it had gone through an acetone wash.
thankfully, cocaine is really easy to titrate with. just buy a bag and start with medium sized lines til you get an idea of the strength.
[QUOTE=zach1193;45342105]1 or 2 "lines" isn't a very good suggestion lines could be any size + length, .1-.2 mg to start with I'd say, and just take more as you want it, it should kick in in like 10-20 minutes after snorting.[/QUOTE]
Lines are usually 1-2 points
Going by lines and size is a [I]really[/I] bad way to get started with your cocaine.
I usually lay out a pinkie finger length line to start with, snort that to try the quality, and just titrate from there.
Quality with cocaine can be so variable you really won't be able to tell how much to take unless you already have a decent understanding of what quality cocaine should appear to be like.
Quality cocaine should be powdery white, not crystaline, it should have a pleasant burn and it shouldn't instantly numb you contradictory to what many believe as a strong numbing sensation is usually because the drug has been stepped on with novocaine or something similar.
It should have a small amount of moistness to it, when you break it up into lines it should kind of 'smush' instead of 'grind' when you're chopping it up.
You should be able to strongly smell the cocaine from a good foot or two away depending on quality/amount.
I mean, I've gotten cocaine that I could tell was lower quality because it lacked a particular cocaine odor and was more like gasoline, it was not moist, and it numbed too fast.
To get to where I wanted to be starting out I had to lay out 3-4 lines and rail them one right after the other.
And then I've gotten cocaine that was in these pearlescent little chunks, when you'd break it open it'd be a bit mushy and have some light refracting off the inside giving it the appearance of some rainbow striping on the inside, it had a strong coke odor, had a pleasurable burn followed shortly after by an almost unnoticeable numbing of the back of my throat.
This shit would take 1/2 to 1 line to [I]really[/I] get you going.
For a first time stay away from alcohol, listen to your body.
If you're at a point where you've done a bit and you're kinda gacking because the back of your throat is numb as fuck and your stomach feels a bit off, you'll know without having to be told that you need to lay off for a good 30 minutes.
[QUOTE=cody8295;45343377]Lines are usually 1-2 points[/QUOTE]
ok but .1-.2 and 1-2 lines even based on that logic is still too imprecise, it's be anywhere from .1-.4 mg - double the recommended dose.
Also you're not going to just 'dose' a line of cocaine and feel good for the night, it's something you do over the entirety of the night. That's where you get the best high.
If you just do one line you may as well have had a cup of coffee.
god now i fucking want cocaine
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;45343781]god now i fucking want cocaine[/QUOTE]
whenever it gets brought up i end up writing those massive posts that are basically the same post over and over on the quality of it n shit
guess i'll just get dabbed out instead
[QUOTE=Lebowski;45343975]whenever it gets brought up i end up writing those massive posts that are basically the same post over and over on the quality of it n shit
guess i'll just get dabbed out instead[/QUOTE]
cocaine's a special type of drug with the special trait (read: special, not good) of making you WANT IT even talking about the cutting lines, the moistness, the numbn GOD I NEED IT
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;45344079]cocaine's a special type of drug with the special trait (read: special, not good) of making you WANT IT even talking about the cutting lines, the moistness, the numbn GOD I NEED IT[/QUOTE]
the same neural pathways associated with actually being high on it light up in people who have used it before when they simply [I]talk[/I] about it.
[QUOTE=Lebowski;45344100]the same neural pathways associated with actually being high on it light up in people who have used it before when they simply [I]talk[/I] about it.[/QUOTE]
makes sense why so many people cut off all connection with friends who use/dealers after quitting cocaine.
Should weed make me trip the fuck out?
I'm new to recreational durgs and am kind of wondering.
Every time I smoke some I lose my mind and have an interesting ride for about 5 or 6 hours.
Last night I couldn't figure out if I was really alive or dead and I think it took me an hour to make a tuna sandwich. Oh and the out of body experience while talking to my room mate while making the sandwich while realizing I didn't know if I was dead or not.
I think I had multiple personalities manifest themselves last night because I talked to 3 of them while making a god damned tuna fish sandwich. What the fuck guys.
sounds like low tolerance or some mental health issue going on somewhere deep..
[QUOTE=Lebowski;45344100]the same neural pathways associated with actually being high on it light up in people who have used it before when they simply [I]talk[/I] about it.[/QUOTE]
It's the same deal with opiates, trust me haha
[editline]10th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=false prophet;45346903]Should weed make me trip the fuck out?
I'm new to recreational durgs and am kind of wondering.
Every time I smoke some I lose my mind and have an interesting ride for about 5 or 6 hours.
Last night I couldn't figure out if I was really alive or dead and I think it took me an hour to make a tuna sandwich. Oh and the out of body experience while talking to my room mate while making the sandwich while realizing I didn't know if I was dead or not.
I think I had multiple personalities manifest themselves last night because I talked to 3 of them while making a god damned tuna fish sandwich. What the fuck guys.[/QUOTE]
Stop smoking so much per session, or quit smoking altogether, you aren't hallucinating or anything are you?
[QUOTE=scorpinat;45347179]sounds like low tolerance or some mental health issue going on somewhere deep..[/QUOTE]
that or maybe its/it has synthetic cannaboids?
[QUOTE=Amic;45348395]that or maybe its/it has synthetic cannaboids?[/QUOTE]
either this or he has some sort of underlying mental condition. i'd be real careful with drugs mister false prophet, psychotic breaks are not fun.
You probably just got real fuckin high with some good bud. Keep it up and you'll find it gets less intense with every sesh.
yeah people are jumpin to the mental health issues thing way too quick
first times (or no tolerance highs) with weed is trip as fuck,
especially if you're smokin a lot.
just have like a puff or two and wait 5-10 minutes next time, see how you feel and go from there.
do: smoke small amounts at a time and push higher til you're comfortable with your level
dont: smoke 10 bong rips in a row expecting it to not work and then smoking more because you feel like it's not kicking in straight away
I used to do the latter and i'd get so fucked I couldn't even operate my lighter,
ever put a lighter in your mouth and tried to light it with a pipe?
ever get so high your thoughts become audible and visible (with eyes closed)?
yeah, that's what those highs were like for me...
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;45344079]cocaine's a special type of drug with the special trait (read: special, not good) of making you WANT IT even talking about the cutting lines, the moistness, the numbn GOD I NEED IT[/QUOTE]
The reason you crave a substance when you talk about it (or any other trigger) is a factor of the Opponent Process Theory. Basically your body enjoys being in homeostasis, aka completely normal functioning, and in order to keep it in homeostasis you have an opponent process (think opponent as in 'your opponent in a game or match') to then return your bodily functions back to normal when they get aroused or depressed. Let's look at cocaine since it was mentioned. Being a stimulant it excites the nucleus accumbens and gets a flood of dopamine going in the synaptic cleft. Your brain is like 'woah dude, way too much going on over there lets slow things down' and will go about trying to reduce arousal. Notice how this happens [i]after[/i] the fact you snorted or what have you and you are currently high. Then as usual the high goes away as both the drug leaves your system and your opponent process takes place.
Now since humans are capable of learning and conditioning your mind creates associations in your environment, this is an evolutionary process that encourages consumption of life sustaining materials. Imagine being a rat, you see a small oval shaped object on the ground in front of you, you eat it, your nucleus accumbens lights up (the reward center of the brain) and you are reinforced for consuming that little oval, aka a seed. Your brain makes note of this and tells your brain to search for more of this good shit. You go around find some more oval looking things and nibble on them. Congratulations you survived the life of a rat by being able to associate nuts as food. Drugs of abuse tend to lead to addiction because of their ability to activate the reward center. By going on a drug regimen you condition your mind to the cues that surround the act of using said drug.
Alcoholics have their beer bottle, meth heads have their glass pipe, smokers, you get the idea. The tools and place you use become conditioned into your mind as a signal that "yo brain drug is coming, aka a lot of arousal" so your brain boots up the opponent process [I]earlier[/I] every time. It gets to a point where merely thinking about it, talking about it, looking at it/tools, and/or being in the same setting can trigger the opponent process. This process will anticipate the arousal from the drug (whether its actually coming or not) and cause you to dip [I]below[/I] homeostasis. This can make you feel like shit and you will then crave the drug. This stress then prompts users to go back to using the drug to deal with both the opponent process and/or the damaged receptors in the brain. And I'm sure most of you get the logic that the more drugs you do (depending on drug of course) reduces the number of receptors thus reducing functioning.
Very interesting, so the stronger a reward received after taking a drug, the stronger the opponent process, and thus the more addictive the drug, the more you'll dip below homeostasis and the worse the cravings will be. I guess that's pretty obvious but seeing the entire mechanism like that is amazing.
You mentioned stronger the drug stronger the addiction, well in a sense that is true. So when you use a drug the way you consume it also is a huge factor in addiction. When the drug enters the blood stream you can imagine for the most part, that there is a section or pocket of blood that has a higher concentration of the drug than the rest of the body. Basically how quickly it enters your system determines how high the concentration. If you were to say inject heroin you would have a small pocket of blood that is very concentrated with heroin. Whereas if you scraped off some resin from the poppy plant and ate it, it would be diluted into the whole body and give a much less significant effect.
Cocaine is the example my professor used so I'll stick with it, cocoa leaves used to increase stamina and reduce appetite show to have almost no addiction symptoms, tinctures infused with the leaves or cocaine are also fairly non-addictive, one step further you have snorting which increases the concentrate of the drug thus activating the reward center in a more intense fashion (all at once is better than getting diluted in blood), next you have smoking it which is very addictive (crack), and obviously injection being the highest tier of addiction of them all. The more concentrated it is in the blood by the time it hits the brain, the harder the hit, the stronger the high, the stronger the high the more addicting it will be as it will do more damage than slowly trickling in.
[editline]11th July 2014[/editline]
Also the reason H is better than morphine is also because it hits the brain faster. Heroin has a couple chemical groups that allow it to bypass the blood brain barrier much easier than morphine, thus hitting it harder. Same with oxy, except oxy is better because its chemically engineered to bypass the liver, stomach, and such as to give the patient pain relief quickly. (But people don't know this, pop their pills for too long, get addicted, and either turn to the cheaper H or live off of fake scripts.)
How do you make firecrackers and how long to they take to kick in?
sorry to link offsite but this guide is the one I follow for firecrackers
[url]http://forum.grasscity.com/incredible-edible-herb/445852-my-ultimate-marijuana-firecracker-recipe-pics.html[/url]
takes up to an hour and a bit to fully kick in, but you'll probs start noticing effects from about 30/45 minutes or so
personally i'm not too fond of firecrackers anymore, it's easier to just make infused butter on a stove top imho, you can do this with little amounts of weed and make single shot edibles in ~half an hour
(my method is to just melt butter in a sauce man, throw a bitta weed in it then simmer it at a low temperature making sure the butter doesn't evaporate or the weed doesn't burn, i've made effective butter within 15 minutes using this process but obviously the longer you do it at a lower temperature the better quality it will be)
[QUOTE=Consciousness;45365132]sorry to link offsite but this guide is the one I follow for firecrackers
[url]http://forum.grasscity.com/incredible-edible-herb/445852-my-ultimate-marijuana-firecracker-recipe-pics.html[/url]
takes up to an hour and a bit to fully kick in, but you'll probs start noticing effects from about 30/45 minutes or so
personally i'm not too fond of firecrackers anymore, it's easier to just make infused butter on a stove top imho, you can do this with little amounts of weed and make single shot edibles in ~half an hour
(my method is to just melt butter in a sauce man, throw a bitta weed in it then simmer it at a low temperature making sure the butter doesn't evaporate or the weed doesn't burn, i've made effective butter within 15 minutes using this process but obviously the longer you do it at a lower temperature the better quality it will be)[/QUOTE]
Cheers mate. Another question as I (sadly) still live with my parents; does the weed smell up the oven?
[QUOTE=bs8814;45365745]Cheers mate. Another question as I (sadly) still live with my parents; does the weed smell up the oven?[/QUOTE]
of the few times i have done it, as long as you cook it in the foil the oven only smells like cooked peanutbutter or nutella. they'll be able to tell something got cooked but it smells like food, not weed
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45365762]of the few times i have done it, as long as you cook it in the foil the oven only smells like cooked peanutbutter or nutella. they'll be able to tell something got cooked but it smells like food, not weed[/QUOTE]
Ok thanks. Even if it does smell like weed I'll just cook some random shit to eliminate the smell.
[editline]12th July 2014[/editline]
Is the first step in that guide necessary? Like pre-baking the weed?
Anyone have any experience with tapering? Tis' my latest strategy in my battle with opiate addiction. So far I'm taking 30mg of oxy daily, gonna bring that down to 20 next week, and then maybe just get right off, maybe it'll be better I hope?
[QUOTE=zach1193;45367462]Anyone have any experience with tapering? Tis' my latest strategy in my battle with opiate addiction. So far I'm taking 30mg of oxy daily, gonna bring that down to 20 next week, and then maybe just get right off, maybe it'll be better I hope?[/QUOTE]
If you're like me, tapering doesn't work so well :/
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