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[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;46126173]Likely methylone, very common drone/molly substitute.
Never even heard of methaqualone before, but I have no reason to see why that would be sold instead :v: Nothing like MDMA according to wiki[/QUOTE]
Methaquaalone is the common name of Quaaludes.
damn i wish methaquaalone was still possible to get
So I'm thinking about extracting mescaline from San Pedro cacti myself, seeing as finding legit mesc is hell and id like to try it out. My only question is, how much dried san pedro do you think I need to make 3 400-600 mg doses of powder. Is a lot of volume lost when it evaporates or will it go from liquid to powder pretty consistently? Also, would it be more economically viable to just buy fresh san pedro, so I don't get fucked by some asshole selling a kilo of 'san pedro dried skin' that's really just random plant mstter. If sl, how much fresh would I want?
The potency of san pedro varies from 0 to 3% mescaline dry. So 30 to 100 grams of dried pedro is a typical dose. Buy like 3 or 4 12 inch cuttings. There are other phenethylamines in the trichocereus species as well as mescaline
[QUOTE=killover;46128803]damn i wish methaquaalone was still possible to get[/QUOTE]
newer opioids are better anyway
[QUOTE=zach1193;46133488]newer opioids are better anyway[/QUOTE]
Quaaludes aren't opis, they're in their own class called quinazolinone. Some would say they're better than opis. Btw, methaqualone isn't hard to synthesis...
[QUOTE=cody8295;46133771]Quaaludes aren't opis, they're in their own class called quinazolinone. Some would say they're better than opis. Btw, methaqualone isn't hard to synthesis...[/QUOTE]
Oh, I thought they were some weird opioid like drug from the 70's, like a mix of barbituate and opiate. What can you synthesize it from? I wouldn't mind trying to make some.
[QUOTE=zach1193;46133930]Oh, I thought they were some weird opioid like drug from the 70's, like a mix of barbituate and opiate. What can you synthesize it from? I wouldn't mind trying to make some.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]From Anthranilic Acid (Klosa)[2]
This is an improved version of Klosas original synthesis of methaqualone. The method first devised by him used phosphorous pentachloride instead of polyphosphoric acid as condensing agent, which during the reaction produced clouds of corrosive HCl gas [1].
7g Anthranilic Acid, 5ml o-Toluidine and 4 ml glacial acetic acid was mixed in a round-bottomed flask. To this mixture was slowly added 40-50 grams of polyphosphoric acid, and the mixture was heated during 20-30 minutes to 140-160°C. After this, the mixture was heated to 180°C for 10 minutes, then cooled and poured in 150-200ml water, and neutralized with 20% Na2CO3 solution. Methanol was added until a lasting turbidity became present in the solution, and after one hour, the free base Methaqualone precipitated, mp 111-113°C, and was once more recrystallized in this fashion, mp 113-115°C. Yield 55%.
From Anthranilic Acid [5,6]
This method is similar to the one used by Klosa, but this one drives out the water byproduct from the reaction mixture with heat, instead of letting polyphosphoric acid bind it. This method also manages to push the yield a little further. The product formed in the first step is N-acetylanthranilic acid, which can be made as described in the precursors section below. If so, begin with the addition of o-Toluidine to the already made N-acetylanthranilic acid.
Anthranilic acid (10 grams) is dissolved in acetic anhydride (20 ml) and the temperature raised progressively to 190-200°C at which temperature distillation takes place. The last traces of acetic acid are removed under vacuum and after cooling to about 50-60°C, o-toluidine (10 grams) is added in portions. The temperature is then raised to 170-200°C when the excess water and o-toluidine is gradually distilled off, finally maintaining the temperature at 180-200°C for 2 hours. After cooling to about 100°C, 30ml dilute HCl is added and the mixture boiled and stirred. The solution is neutralized with NaOH with stirring, and the crude product which separates is recrystallized twice from alcohol. The yield is 70% of theory.
From N-acetylanthranilic Acid [5]
This method is similar to Klosa's first synthesis of methaqualone, the difference being that this one uses POCl3 instead of PCl5, and uses ready made N-acetylanthranilic acid. By performing the reaction in toluene, the yield is very good. In spite of this, the method is best left alone, as the POCl3 will release lots of HCl gas during decomposition.
o-Toluidine (10 grams) is mixed with a solution of N-acetylanthranilic acid (20 grams) in toluene (30 grams) in a vessel equipped with a stirrer and means of cooling. A solution of phosphorus oxychloride (10 grams) in toluene (30 grams) is added dropwise with stirring and then the temperature is raised to the boiling point for two hours with further stirring. After cooling, the precipitate so formed is filtered off, dried and dissolved in boiling dilute HCl. On cooling and making alkaline with NaOH, a viscous oil separates which crystallises after a few hours. The crystals are collected the next day and purified by recrystallisation from alcohol to yield about 80% of the theoretical quantity of methaqualone freebase (m.p. 114-115°C). The salts my be obtained by the addition of the appropriate acids to the base formed above.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/quaalude.html[/url]
Is it hard to grow shrooms, like a decent amount? I've been thinking about starting to grow them.
Growing shrooms is actually pretty easy, the hard part is getting the supplies.
You'll need a pressure cooker to pasteurize your substrate. For a substrate you can use a number of things, but the most common is Brown Rice Flour and Vermiculite. A cheaper and more easily available substrate is popcorn. If you don't have access to a pressure cooker, you'll have to utilize "fractional sterilization" where you will boil the substrate 3 times over the course of 3 nights, to first inoculate and then kill any contamination.
You'll also need something to inoculate your substrate with, most common methods use live spores. It's legal and relatively cheap to buy spore syringes online, and you can chose whichever species you'd like. Another method includes harvesting living mushroom samples and creating a spore print, then a spore syringe, which requires some time. You can also take live mycellium growth (the white stuff that the shrooms grow off of) and use that to inoculate your substrate.
It only takes a few weeks (2-3) for the mycellium to colonate the substrate and a few days after that for the mushrooms to start fruiting and growing. Then you can harvest.
Can shrooms form fungus infections or anything dangerous at all?
[QUOTE=Original User;46135516]Can shrooms form fungus infections or anything dangerous at all?[/QUOTE]
Yes, while the mycellium is colonating the substrate there is a chance of contamination. You'll be able to see any secondary fungi growths because mycellium is pure white. Any black, green, brown, etc, may be a contamination. Contams are usually due to a non-pasteurized substrate or lack of caution when inoculating.
why not just get a grow kit? i've been considering it myself, [url=http://www.zamnesia.com/magic-mushroom-grow-kit/980-cambodia.html]this[/url] in particular seems appealing, is there any reason not to just simply buy one of these? are these kits not as good as i'm hoping or is it just because some people like to do it all themselves?)
Well you'll still need to invest in a pressure cooker and other necessary supplies that aren't included. You could pull it off for a lot cheaper, get better yields, and generally just have a lot more fun if you DIY.
I grew shrooms a while ago - you don't need a pressure cooker, just a boiler pot with a lid for steam sterilization.
[url]http://mushroomvideos.com/[/url]
Those first 4 videos got pretty much everything you need
Is there a species that is known to be less introspective or less dangerous, or just better for first timers? Many of my friends want to try psylocibin, but have never come across it. I would love to grow some little DMT analogues for my fellow psychonauts.
The only 2 species with differing chemicals (that I know of) are Psilocybe vs Amanita, and aminita isn't very introspective, it's more dissociation. In psilocybe shrooms, levels of psilocybin and psilocin can differ, causing subjective changes in the trip, but to an extend of being less introspective, I can't really say. Try for a less potent strain, but be aware that the content of psilocybin/psiolcin can be variable even within the same species.
[editline]3rd October 2014[/editline]
Btw, amanita muscaria contains Muscimol, a GABA agonist.
Can amanita muscaria and psylocibe cubensis be grown side-by-side?
[QUOTE=teslacoil;46142587]Can amanita muscaria and psylocibe cubensis be grown side-by-side?[/QUOTE]
Not in the same substrate since mycelium is competitive for nutrients and the strongest species/first to take hold/etc would win and the other species would die. Although I see no reason why they can't grow in the same tank/room.
So as long as the substrates are separated, they should grow fine?
[QUOTE=teslacoil;46142745]So as long as the substrates are separated, they should grow fine?[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, they should be fine
So, I'm dropping shrooms with 3 others tonight.
Tips?
[QUOTE=Original User;46148944]So, I'm dropping shrooms with 3 others tonight.
Tips?[/QUOTE]
If is the first time do have a trip sitter, beside that if you can go out in the wild, admire nature since it will be a blast! Or if you're staying in the city find some chill place where you can have fun. If you're staying inside get some music going on and try and come up with something(that depends really on what you guys want to do). Beside all of this all i can say is: Have a nice trip!
OH,i also suggest listening to some playlists on [url]https://www.stereodose.com/[/url]
They do have some nice tracks.
Holy fuck. That trip was pretty spooky and cool.
now i'm smoking a cigar
it's great
[QUOTE=Original User;46154779]Holy fuck. That trip was pretty spooky and cool.
now i'm smoking a cigar
it's great[/QUOTE]
Really glad you had a nice one, always happy to lend a hand. I've got only one question though. Did you trip in the wild?
No, my friend's house upstairs is the size of a large apartment. We ran around all night fucking around.
Alright so I would absolutely love a prescription for adderal, how do I do this? Has anyone gone through the necessary steps and knows how to pass the test for add or w/e... I just would really enjoy a script of it.
1. Look up symptoms
2. Repeatedly practice subtle overt tics
3. Translate internal symptoms to yourself
4. Be a good liar
5. Share with doc what you have learned
6. ???
7. PROFIT
I have actual tics that I've never talked to a doctor about, maybe it's something bad
[QUOTE=cody8295;46210384]I have actual tics that I've never talked to a doctor about, maybe it's something bad[/QUOTE]
It can't be that bad. unless you have TICKS, then you have issues, my friend.
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