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[url]https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/[/url]
should probably check this out if you're interested in LSD. Pretty sure potency can be determined by a marquis reagant test kit or try and use the tab identifier.
[editline]3rd January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=fox '09;46852882]I know this, I am suggesting people don't really know the exact dosage of their tabs. That, dealers are exaggerating claims, etc. It seems more meaningful to have the experience described than to say a number that isn't really verifiable. Unless you sent your acid to a lab I highly doubt it is known.[/QUOTE]
Telling you the ug is far more relevant then an experience because LSD experiences are very subjective
[QUOTE=CritNick;46852884][URL]https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/[/URL]
should probably check this out if you're interested in LSD. Pretty sure potency can be determined by a marquis reagant test kit or try and use the tab identifier.
[editline]3rd January 2015[/editline]
Telling you the ug is far more relevant then an experience because LSD experiences are very subjective[/QUOTE]
I have never heard of potency being tested by a reagent test. Do you have a link for that?
As for your second point, Yes, I agree. Except, I doubt people really know that the dosages given to them are actually accurate. How does one verify that said tab is a said dosage? This would be valid otherwise, but..
[QUOTE=fox '09;46852893]I have never heard of potency being tested by a reagent test. Do you have a link for that?
As for your second point, Yes, I agree. Except, I doubt people really know that the dosages given to them are actually accurate. How does one verify that said tab is a said dosage?[/QUOTE]
I'm not actually sure if dosage can be determined solely on the test kit, I mean it could be some sort of identifier if the paper is more olive black at a higher dosage as opposed to it being slightly less olive black. I know it's a good way to test what you're taking is actually LSD. A black light may work, but that will destroy the LSD, and i'm pretty sure even that wouldn't be a great identifier, would probably just show how many drops were put on it. The only real way to know I would imagine is if you knew the guy dripping it on the tabs, or are doing it yourself.
[QUOTE=CritNick;46852911]I'm not actually sure if dosage can be determined solely on the test kit, I mean it could be some sort of identifier if the paper is more olive black at a higher dosage as opposed to it being slightly less olive black. I know it's a good way to test what you're taking is actually LSD. A black light may work, but that will destroy the LSD, and i'm pretty sure even that wouldn't be a great identifier, would probably just show how many drops were put on it. The only real way to know I would imagine is if you knew the guy dripping it on the tabs, or are doing it yourself.[/QUOTE]
Right. I am only curiously suggesting to you, and others that perhaps it would be better if we all described our experiences, and not try to state exact dosages.
Even at a precise dosage, individuals will have varying effects and strength.
For what it's worth. I've been contemplating how one should go about describing an LSD experience and I feel as if measuring dosage in micrograms is fairly useless unless you have a verified source.
(sorry if this is rambling)
[QUOTE=nnanna;46777489]first few times i took tramadol i threw up and now every time i take it i feel nauseated for the first hour or so even tho it isn't even taking effect that early and i haven't even thrown up since the first times
this wouldn't really be a problem but i happen to take medication twice a day that is same shape and taste bad too and it causes me to feel really nauseated every morning/evening and its kinda annoying
anyone heard of something like this happening before? any suggestions to get over it?[/QUOTE]
help
Blacklight checking for LSD is a not a good way to determine if it's real. Besides the fact that UV does destroy LSD (along with solvents, light, oxygen, etc.), the material it is laid on can have UV luminescence as well. There have been a few reports of 25i-NBOMe distributors using UV luminescent tabs or mixing it with another chemical that is known to glow under UV to pass this test.
You cannot determine the amount of LSD on a tab with any reagent test, only the presence of it. If you plan to test using a reagent, use a full tab. The LSD may not have been laid in a dipping fashion that would cover the entire area. If you use a small corner piece of real acid, it may not even react.
In general, most tabs found now are around 80-120ug. There's a few prints going around that are 180-200ug but they are rare. As a general rule, just test one tab before you buy a large amount to make sure it's real and count on each tab being 80-120ug unless your experience suggests it's a large amount. Dealers will tell you whatever from "double-dipped" to "super strong!!" If they explicitly only say take one tab and no more, it's probably not LSD. 25i-NBOMe is commonly sold as LSD usually with the "DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN ONE TAB" so that you don't overdose and kill yourself, which is possible with just two tabs of 25i-NBOMe.
If all else fails, or you don't have a test kit, put the blotter on your tongue or inside your gums. If it tastes distinctly metallic (not just a slight taste), or it starts to numb the area, spit it out. You just got sold 25i-NBOMe. Go back to your dealer and tell him he's a fuckwit. Real acid will NEVER numb any area of your mouth and will generally be completely tasteless. The only thing that would cause any flavor is if your acid is print (colorful designs) as the ink may have a taste. To combat this distributors have been increasingly selling acid on perforation-free white blotter. There's absolutely no design and this type of tab should NEVER have any taste or numbing sensation if it is real.
biggest problem is that i have to skip a dose of my medication if i have taken tramadol the same day cause the nausea gets so strong that even thinking about that i need to take it almost makes me puke even if i would have been fine otherwise
it hardly bothers my life tho, just a tiny nuisance and i'm wondering if there is a way to get rid of it
[QUOTE=nnanna;46852972]biggest problem is that i have to skip a dose of my medication if i have taken tramadol the same day cause the nausea gets so strong that even thinking about that i need to take it almost makes me puke even if i would have been fine otherwise
it hardly bothers my life tho, just a tiny nuisance and i'm wondering if there is a way to get rid of it[/QUOTE]
tramadol is a really poor excuse for an opiate so if you feel anything good for you, suggestion for the nausea. Counteract with DPH or any something like Wal-Dram. I know DPH is good for DXM so I don't see why it wouldn't help with the nausea in this situation
People who buy liquid lsd from reputable vendors and lay their own tabs are the only ones who know exactly how many ug's they're putting on each tab. 10ml bottle with 1mg in it, 100ug per ml
[QUOTE=TehWhale;46852963]
If all else fails, or you don't have a test kit, put the blotter on your tongue or inside your gums. If it tastes distinctly metallic (not just a slight taste), or it starts to numb the area, spit it out. You just got sold 25i-NBOMe. Go back to your dealer and tell him he's a fuckwit. Real acid will NEVER numb any area of your mouth and will generally be completely tasteless. The only thing that would cause any flavor is if your acid is print (colorful designs) as the ink may have a taste. To combat this distributors have been increasingly selling acid on perforation-free white blotter. There's absolutely no design and this type of tab should NEVER have any taste or numbing sensation if it is real.[/QUOTE]
You could also swallow the blotter. NBome's aren't orally active. LSD and its analogues are but the latter are quite rare and most blotters I have seen (on Deepweb markets) are marked.
HOWEVER, DOx's are orally active but not as common as NBome's.
nBomes can be HBPCD(sp) complexed, increasing their bioavailability when taken orally
Today I learned. So you're never safe unless you stick to one verified vendor or dealer.
Umm, so I just found my harmala extract, which has given life to some green dragon-looking fungus with white crests on the bends of its long body. I have no idea what the hell could grow out of such a vile substance, I'm gonna be real careful about getting rid of it. I don't even want to breathe that nastiness.
[QUOTE=CritNick;46852872]LSD Oral Dosages
Threshold
20 ug
Light
25 - 75 ug
Common
50 - 150 ug
Strong
150 - 400 ug
Heavy
400 + ug[/QUOTE]
Waste
0-100 ug
Alright
100-200 ug
Good
200-300 ug
Better
300-400 ug
Best
400+ ug
[QUOTE=Anubis678;46863675]Waste
0-100 ug
Alright
100-200 ug
Good
200-300 ug
Better
300-400 ug
Best
400+ ug[/QUOTE]
That's bullshit
LSD can be taken in microdoses to help with mentally intensive tasks
Somewhere around 60ug is perfect for such things
[editline]5th January 2015[/editline]
and I don't feel like rolling around in bed, waiting for stuff to end. 100-200ug is the best, any more than that is really intense.
It was a joke.
LSD for mentally intensive tasks. Yeah ok, that's not what I'd take LSD for, and it certainly wouldn't be my first choice.
And the preferred dosage is deeply personal. I find anything below 300ug only leaves me wishing I had taken more. 100ug or less is actually unpleasant to me. My preferred dosage is 400-500ug. I've never gone over 500ug, but I'd really like to. My connect sort of dried up, so it may not happen for a while
But, again, personal preference. Don't take me too seriously, buddy. I just thought it was kinda funny
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;46863583]Umm, so I just found my harmala extract, which has given life to some green dragon-looking fungus with white crests on the bends of its long body. I have no idea what the hell could grow out of such a vile substance, I'm gonna be real careful about getting rid of it. I don't even want to breathe that nastiness.[/QUOTE]
Boil until it's a thick goo then let it dry to a powder, its easier than liquid to store, dose, etc
I don't even know if I have even had legit LSD, the two times I thought could be legit, the dude doesn't test it. The one time I got some off the internet, it felt much more like a PEA than an ergotamide. I could just be wrong, though. The last time I did web-cid it felt a lot like the first time I did an nbome.
I have no idea on dosages, though, so that it definitely a factor. All blotters were swallowed within 5 minutes except for the nbome's.
You guys swallow your tabs?
I always stick them between my gums. I didn't think LSD had a high enough oral bioavailability
I put them under my tongue for the novelty factor.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;46863876]It was a joke.
LSD for mentally intensive tasks. Yeah ok, that's not what I'd take LSD for, and it certainly wouldn't be my first choice.
And the preferred dosage is deeply personal. I find anything below 300ug only leaves me wishing I had taken more. 100ug or less is actually unpleasant to me. My preferred dosage is 400-500ug. I've never gone over 500ug, but I'd really like to. My connect sort of dried up, so it may not happen for a while
But, again, personal preference. Don't take me too seriously, buddy. I just thought it was kinda funny[/QUOTE]
Oh ok, sorry for going off on you.
Also check this out
[url]https://www.maps.org/news-letters/v18n1/v18n1-MAPS_24.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Banandana;46864208]Oh ok, sorry for going off on you.
Also check this out
[url]https://www.maps.org/news-letters/v18n1/v18n1-MAPS_24.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Don't sweat it. You weren't a dick about it
[QUOTE=Anubis678;46864127]You guys swallow your tabs?
I always stick them between my gums. I didn't think LSD had a high enough oral bioavailability[/QUOTE]It doesn't. It's more effective in your mouth but some people swallow it just in case it's an NBOMe, it won't be active in your stomach.
I just don't eat tabs that I don't for sure know are 'cid. Learned that lesson.
And that article was really interesting, Nanners
[QUOTE]I don't see why sublingual wouldn't have a higher bioavailability than that though.
Well, a sublingual blotter will probably result in you swallowing lots and lots of saliva, meaning that the actual ROA is still oral intake. Unless you are talking about liquid LSD, then you could easily put a drop on your gums and let it rest there without excessive build-up of saliva.
I agree the MAPS report does not dive into it very deep, but nevertheless it is really uncommon for any substance to have a 100% bioavailability with oral intake. Especially when considering the intricate structure of LSD, and the proton in the 8-position that can change configuration (depending on pH; the small intestine is slightly alkaline) to yield iso-LSD - which is inactive.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bluelight.org/vb/archive/index.php/t-577871.html[/url]
Basically it doesn't really matter. Personally, I keep the tab on my tongue for 10 or so minutes then I chew on it for another couple minute with my front teeth. Then swallow
I've been thinking about the legality of drugs and whatnot and I feel like I'm becoming more and more frustrated about the popular opinion of drugs and how people treat them. Ugh
[editline]5th January 2015[/editline]
Do you guys ever get annoyed by people's inability to think outside the "drugs are inherently bad" mentality?
Let them think drugs are bad while they puff on nicotine, drink alcohol and caffeine, and overdose on sugar daily. Natural selection will take it's course as always
[QUOTE=TehWhale;46852963]Blacklight checking for LSD is a not a good way to determine if it's real. Besides the fact that UV does destroy LSD (along with solvents, light, oxygen, etc.), the material it is laid on can have UV luminescence as well. There have been a few reports of 25i-NBOMe distributors using UV luminescent tabs or mixing it with another chemical that is known to glow under UV to pass this test.
You cannot determine the amount of LSD on a tab with any reagent test, only the presence of it. If you plan to test using a reagent, use a full tab. The LSD may not have been laid in a dipping fashion that would cover the entire area. If you use a small corner piece of real acid, it may not even react.
In general, most tabs found now are around 80-120ug. There's a few prints going around that are 180-200ug but they are rare. As a general rule, just test one tab before you buy a large amount to make sure it's real and count on each tab being 80-120ug unless your experience suggests it's a large amount. Dealers will tell you whatever from "double-dipped" to "super strong!!" If they explicitly only say take one tab and no more, it's probably not LSD. 25i-NBOMe is commonly sold as LSD usually with the "DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN ONE TAB" so that you don't overdose and kill yourself, which is possible with just two tabs of 25i-NBOMe.
If all else fails, or you don't have a test kit, put the blotter on your tongue or inside your gums. If it tastes distinctly metallic (not just a slight taste), or it starts to numb the area, spit it out. You just got sold 25i-NBOMe. Go back to your dealer and tell him he's a fuckwit. Real acid will NEVER numb any area of your mouth and will generally be completely tasteless. The only thing that would cause any flavor is if your acid is print (colorful designs) as the ink may have a taste. To combat this distributors have been increasingly selling acid on perforation-free white blotter. There's absolutely no design and this type of tab should NEVER have any taste or numbing sensation if it is real.[/QUOTE]
I just want to say, seriosuly listen to this because i bought 25i-NBOMe or something similar that i thought was acid. It was bitter af, but i wasn't sure if it was due to the printed paper, but it made my mouth numb. Always make sure you know what you're getting, and dont do what i did. i mean i was fine in the end, but it wasnt a smart thing to do
[editline]today[/editline]
The thing that kinda fucked me up about it was that a day or so after i dropped it, there were reports on the local news about people who had taken "LSD" on superman blotters and fucking died. Mine was not one of those, but it could have been, and thats made me a hell of a lot more cautious
So this bothers me, as I've finally gotten a connect: "Reports from the United States suggest that often mushrooms sold as hallucinogenic mushrooms prove to be normal grocery-bought mushrooms laced with LSD, PCP (phencyclidine) or other substances. In an 11-year study, 886 samples that were said to be psilocybin were analysed. [B]Only 28 percent of these were hallucinogenic mushrooms[/B], while 35 percent were other drugs, mostly LSD or PCP, and 37 percent contained no drug at all."
from: [url]http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/mushrooms[/url]
I don't like the idea of having a 1 in 3 chance of getting some mystery drug. Completely dampened my excitement, because I'm not sure if there is going to be a whole lot of ways to be absolutely sure that what I have is what I'm expecting once I get it, as I'm sure the drying of them can make identification difficult. Starting to consider home cultivation. Wish there were such things as smartshops here so I don't have to deal with the dangers of having some substance illegal.
[QUOTE=SickBow;46892540]So this bothers me, as I've finally gotten a connect: "Reports from the United States suggest that often mushrooms sold as hallucinogenic mushrooms prove to be normal grocery-bought mushrooms laced with LSD, PCP (phencyclidine) or other substances. In an 11-year study, 886 samples that were said to be psilocybin were analysed. [B]Only 28 percent of these were hallucinogenic mushrooms[/B], while 35 percent were other drugs, mostly LSD or PCP, and 37 percent contained no drug at all."
from: [url]http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/mushrooms[/url]
I don't like the idea of having a 1 in 3 chance of getting some mystery drug. Completely dampened my excitement, because I'm not sure if there is going to be a whole lot of ways to be absolutely sure that what I have is what I'm expecting once I get it, as I'm sure the drying of them can make identification difficult. Starting to consider home cultivation. Wish there were such things as smartshops here so I don't have to deal with the dangers of having some substance illegal.[/QUOTE]
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