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[QUOTE=zach1193;40817647]Yea sorry about that, I was just really hung up on my point about how there's a difference between losing control, and having a general "bad trip" Do you at least understand what I'm talking about now? haha supernatural, I don't wanna fight about stupid shit with you, you're a cool DD regular.[/QUOTE] It's chill, I'm having an amazing day I couldn't actually get mad on DD today. "Losing control" can be from many things we don't know. For some people, their parents calling them while they are tripping on Salvia could cause them to lose control in panic, anyway better to lose control on Salvia than LSD. That sentence is confusing.
True that, god, a bad trip for hours would be terrifying, I wouldn't be surprised if you could contract PTSD from a bad trip lasting that long. Although a trip to the hospital and a benzo or two could fix you right up.
Alright guys I just injected 10 ccs of mushroom spores into my face. Now I feel like the shrooms are growing out my eyes. What do?
[QUOTE=steven688;40818068]Alright guys I just injected 10 ccs of mushroom spores into my face. Now I feel like the shrooms are growing out my eyes. What do?[/QUOTE] become mushroom aquire universe
[QUOTE=SuperNatural;40817709]It's chill, I'm having an amazing day I couldn't actually get mad on DD today. "Losing control" can be from many things we don't know. For some people, their parents calling them while they are tripping on Salvia could cause them to lose control in panic, anyway better to lose control on Salvia than LSD. That sentence is confusing.[/QUOTE] Yea man, Salvia is one of those drugs that is REALLY easy to lose your shit on, especially higher concentrations. Doesn't mean you shouldn't experiment with other psychedelics at beginner doses because Salvia is NOT a psychedelic, it is a dissociative*. It's a common misconception that dissociative* would be a subsection of psychedelic drugs but it really is off in a classification of it's own separate from psychedelic drugs. *I know I said deliriant earlier but I was baked as fuck and couldn't think of the right word.
[QUOTE=Lebowski;40819384]Yea man, Salvia is one of those drugs that is REALLY easy to lose your shit on, especially higher concentrations. Doesn't mean you shouldn't experiment with other psychedelics at beginner doses because Salvia is NOT a psychedelic, it is a deliriant. It's a common misconception that deliriant would be a subsection of psychedelic drugs but it really is off in a classification of it's own separate from psychedelic drugs.[/QUOTE] It's a dissociative bro.
it's a psychedelic dissociative :v:
[QUOTE=TehWhale;40819669]it's a psychedelic dissociative :v:[/QUOTE] Damn straight it is. Whenever we do it I see cylinders, one of my friends sees a conveyor belt and the other sees lines. We can't seem to see anything different which is why we are going into the woods in hopes a change of setting will produce different results.
"Salvinorin A and Salvinorin B are naturally occurring chemicals which are not structurally similar to any other common psychoactives. " Erowid says it's an Atypical Psychedelic. I wouldn't know what to call it but not a dissociative.
It's really damn confusing as to what it is.
[QUOTE=SuperNatural;40819820]"Salvinorin A and Salvinorin B are naturally occurring chemicals which are not structurally similar to any other common psychoactives. " Erowid says it's an Atypical Psychedelic. I wouldn't know what to call it but not a dissociative.[/QUOTE] It's a dissociative in the sense that when you smoke it in a bong you can "break through"
[QUOTE=zach1193;40820095]It's a dissociative in the sense that when you smoke it in a bong you can "break through"[/QUOTE] You "break through" on DMT too, it isn't a dissociative. Could you describe breaking through to me? I don't really understand the term. After thinking about it I suppose sometimes I feel like I am not a part of my body on Salvia but I wouldn't say it is just a dissociative because of how different it is from DXM, K, PCP, etc.
[QUOTE=SuperNatural;40820241]You "break through" on DMT too, it isn't a dissociative. Could you describe breaking through to me? I don't really understand. After thinking about it I suppose sometimes I feel like I am not a part of my body on Salvia but I wouldn't call it as just a dissociative because of how different it is.[/QUOTE] It's called that because you leave your body, it disassociates you from it. You're just left with your mind. That's what happens when you "break through" anyway.
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amphetamine psychosis is a danger i'd say
[QUOTE=Creid;40820282]Dangers of binging on adderall? I've been awake for 48 hours on adderall alone. There are surprisingly little negative side effects presently, but what about long term?[/QUOTE] stim binges are bad for your health long-term if you're staying up for that long, remember to stay hydrated and eat (if possible) and get some nutrients in your tummy. Vitamins like magnesium and shit help with shakiness/jaw-clenching
[QUOTE=TehWhale;40819669]it's a psychedelic dissociative :v:[/QUOTE] [B]BEWARE: I AM ABOUT TO ARGUE SEMANTICS. THIS WILL LEAD ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE![/B] That depends on what you define as psychedelics. When I say "psychedelic" I am always referring to 5-HT agonists, this is what I picture when I think of psychedelics and psychedelic action, and their effects is what I imagine as stereotypically "psychedelic". I would say Salvia has "hallucinogenic" effects in that it produces hallucinations so it could effectively be called a hallucinogen, but I do not consider it a psychedelic. However, the universal definition of psychedelic seems to mean anything that changes the way you perceive (hallucinations and visuals) and the way you think, which effectively includes ALL dissociatives as psychedelics as well. Meaning every single dissociative can be called a "psychedelic dissociative" if you want to be picky. In my mind this is a bad use of the word since anyone who has used both types of drugs will know that they are distinctly different in their method of action and while both can produce hallucinations and whatnot they are of a clearly different nature. Salvia can be seen as the DMT of dissociatives. At higher doses it produces an extremely strong but short-lived dissociation, or "hole", which includes hallucinations, but it can not be compared to DMT or any 5-HT agonist as it is very different in its core and mechanism of action as well as the nature of the resulting effects. However, due to this bullshit definition we have a clear word for one side of the spectrum (dissociatives) but none for the other (5-HT agonists), since psychedelics can refer to both. Therefore I propose that we drop this silly tradition and just refer to dissociatives as dissociatives (including salvia) and 5-HT agonists as psychedelics, while also being able to call both "hallucinogens". This way we will have much less confusion and the words will make more sense. [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] well shit I just did all that writing for nothing since it seems I misunderstood the universal definition of the word "psychedelic" and was right all along. According to wiki dissociatives and psychedelics are both hallucinogens, but dissociatives are not psychedelics. [QUOTE]Psychedelics are part of a wider class of psychoactive drugs known as hallucinogens, a class that also includes unrelated substances such as dissociatives and deliriants, but which are grouped together because of their ability to produce hallucinations (as implied by the name).[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]While salvinorin A is considered a hallucinogen, it is not a psychedelic, and its effects are qualitatively different than those produced by the classical psychedelic hallucinogens such as LSD or mescaline.[/QUOTE] So yeah Salvia isn't a psychedelic dissociative, it's a dissociative and a hallucinogen lol [editline]29th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SuperNatural;40820241]You "break through" on DMT too, it isn't a dissociative. Could you describe breaking through to me? I don't really understand the term. After thinking about it I suppose sometimes I feel like I am not a part of my body on Salvia but I wouldn't say it is just a dissociative because of how different it is from DXM, K, PCP, etc.[/QUOTE] I would say it's a dissociative, but different from the traditional dissociatives. It's a dissociative of its own.
I think Salvia needs its own class to fit into, it's just far too different from every other drug. Also, I love reading your posts on semantics Mindtwistah.
Didn't mean to say deliriant, was baked as fuck; apologies.
[QUOTE=SuperNatural;40820653]I think Salvia needs its own class to fit into, it's just far too different from every other drug. Also, I love reading your posts on semantics Mindtwistah.[/QUOTE] Salvia is fuckin' crazy how about that.
[QUOTE=Creid;40820282]Dangers of binging on adderall? I've been awake for 48 hours on adderall alone. There are surprisingly little negative side effects presently, but what about long term?[/QUOTE] staying awake for days at a time is bad for you. Add in the constant stimulation, and its terrible for your cardiovascular system. frequent binges leads to heart problems, increased chance of a heart attack and related illnesses. The mind is not supposed to stay awake for days at a time, get some sleep
[QUOTE=steven688;40818068]Alright guys I just injected 10 ccs of mushroom spores into my face. Now I feel like the shrooms are growing out my eyes. What do?[/QUOTE] Me next
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well here's a question have you taken his suggestions on board and actually tried changing your lifestyle instead of just bitching to him about it? he's a therapist, he's there to help you through issues, if you make it a big deal and bring it across as a big deal he's going to treat it like a big deal. Make your own lifestyle changes if you believe in your self (and if it was a one time thing then dw) and just tell him yourself next time you go "Listen man that was one time, I'm pretty in control of my life and have faith in myself, if you want me to give myself more credit then stop trying to tell me specifically what's wrong with me and my choices and guide me through the difficulties i'm facing instead" or some shit, of course any difficulties you face, drug abuse and poor sleeping patterns will make far more difficult to over come.. so he's not completely in the wrong, you know fuck idk I don't think you're a sociopath
[QUOTE=Creid;40821253]I fully intend to do just that. Staying awake for too long and then having your asshole therapist call you out on every facet of your bullshit based on his stupid stubborn rationale that people can't just believe in concepts, they have to not and then grow from that. Can't I just be happy without all that? Why can't I just believe in parts of myself? Why does he have to just shove those away saying I don't give myself enough credit and then blame it on my "drug abuse", to which he thinks that adderall and lack of sleep is the root cause of all my problems and will be in the future (even though this was the only occasion). I understand his concern for my health but it seems a bit too irrational (even for his standard) to think that I can't take care of myself. Sorry for the rant in the question thread but I just needed to vent, I guess. edit: i think i might be a sociopath i care more about my beliefs rather than those of others[/QUOTE] If you don't like your therapist, get a different one. My first one was an incompetent asshole, but the next dude I tried was super chill and knew what he was doing. I doubt that you're a sociopath; if you were a sociopath, then you probably wouldn't care if you were a sociopath.
you probably wouldn't even consider the possibility, from what I understand (went through a phase where I thought I might be one) the majority of them don't even realize
[QUOTE=SuperNatural;40820653]I think Salvia needs its own class to fit into, it's just far too different from every other drug. Also, I love reading your posts on semantics Mindtwistah.[/QUOTE] KO hallucinogens, with KO standing for either Kappa-Opioid or Knocked-Out-of-reality
I need to not let myself get so dehydrated all the time. Drank some powerade this morning, after a night of lots of molly and some shrooms, 5 minutes later I puked up food dye and corn syrup and none of the water.
[QUOTE=zach1193;40817440]Alright guys, yes I have done salvia before, but I never had a bad experience like that, and yes I've done it multiple times. I'm not saying that because you have a bad trip you shouldn't take psychs, but if you go on a rampage or some shit and lose control of your body, it seems to me that there's that possibility again, and me personally wouldn't take that risk. It's embarrassing to yourself more than anything, that you can't control yourself. I was under the impression if you use psychedelics or the like and "lose control" that you shouldn't be using psychs. Please explain to me how using psychs if you know that losing control is a possibility, is a good idea? Bad trip /=/ losing control [editline]28th May 2013[/editline] Also holding someone down is a terrible way to relieve someone of a bad trip, just saying.[/QUOTE] IF you get embarrassed for freaking out while on powerful drugs you have bad friends
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40826293]IF you get embarrassed for freaking out while on powerful drugs you have bad friends[/QUOTE] No, I have a bad mind, my friends would be there for me, I would imagine, I just find it personally embarrassing.
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