• Drugs Discussion Questions Thread V "how many weed needles is too many?"
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Any of you tried making "legal weed" using JWH? Sounds too good to be true. [img]http://i.imgur.com/DGDzZGL.jpg[/img]
i'm not sure why that's too good to be true it's just synthetic cannabinoids on plant matter. too bad synthetic cannabinoids suck ass and dependence/withdrawal is a real concern (also the health risks)
That's why it was too good to be true, if jwh-018 was actually similiar to the real deal without withdrawals or dependence. Have you tried the JWH series? I kinda wanna try it just to compare.
[QUOTE=Tools;40950082]That's why it was too good to be true, if jwh-018 was actually similiar to the real deal without withdrawals or dependence. Have you tried the JWH series? I kinda wanna try it just to compare.[/QUOTE] most of them are illegal already, its an old series. The ones left over are short lasting (less than an hour). AM-2201 was my favorite synthetic cannabinoid, but also (apparently) the most addictive
Most of the preferred synthetic cannabinoids have been outlawed. I haven't really stayed up to date on them though. I've had an experience with JWH-018 and regret ever trying it. Stick with the tried and tested marijuana. Also the fact that if you smoke these synthetic cannabinoids frequently they can increase your tolerance so high that weed won't get you high for at least a couple months.
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;40946906]Excluding the price of the weed, how much does it cost for materials to make BHO on average?[/QUOTE] Well you need: Pyrex pan (circular or rectangle), probably 15 bucks at most extraction tube (you can get a stainless steel turkey baster, ho at bed bath and beyond for 6.99$, i bought a glass one for $20 that holds ~7g) vector butane - $5-$10 (you probably wont use a whole can unless your running an oz) i use a heating pad to purge, which was like 15 or 20 dollars when i bought it if you want you can have a mityvac vac pump, costs ~$45 and a 1$ mason jar as a vac chamber you should have some parchment paper as well its kind of an investment to start up, but dont think you'll be making any money off this unless you get unbelievable deals on good weed.
[QUOTE=Tools;40949705]Any of you tried making "legal weed" using JWH? Sounds too good to be true. [/QUOTE] isn't jwh-018 in schedule 1
[QUOTE=TehWhale;40950109]Also the fact that if you smoke these synthetic cannabinoids frequently they can increase your tolerance so high that weed won't get you high for at least a couple months.[/QUOTE] lol what, I've never heard of this ever. Seems like one of those "once you do x on y-drug you can never enjoy x again!!!!111!"
[QUOTE=creative;40950819]lol what, I've never heard of this ever. Seems like one of those "once you do x on y-drug you can never enjoy x again!!!!111!"[/QUOTE] Due to the extreme binding affinity of certain cannabinoids it can create a tolerance so high that weed probably won't do anything for a couple months, depending on how long you've been smoking the blend. You can feel free to google around because it's everywhere. [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] i'm not saying "you smoke synthetic blends once and you can never smoke weed again" synthetic blends can increase your tolerance to a point where weed no longer does anything until that tolerance lowers
No weed sucks. No money sucks. Somebody smoke me up.
good question :v:
[QUOTE=creative;40950819]lol what, I've never heard of this ever. Seems like one of those "once you do x on y-drug you can never enjoy x again!!!!111!"[/QUOTE] you must not be very educated on the subject then
holy fuck guys i am finally stoned and i feel everything holy my lord the taste in my mouth is wow and the feeling of the keys when typing is just hoooly FUCK guys [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] fuck guys wrong thread shit sorry to keep in on topic i smoked hashis [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] help
[QUOTE=creative;40950819]lol what, I've never heard of this ever. Seems like one of those "once you do x on y-drug you can never enjoy x again!!!!111!"[/QUOTE] It's called cross-tolerance, different drugs can still act on the same receptors in the brain. This is basic biology, pleb.
It's just like how the nbome family can (supposedly) cause a perma-tolerance to all psychedelics. you gotta be careful with them research chems
[QUOTE=Mac2468;40951827]It's just like how the nbome family can (supposedly) cause a perma-tolerance to all psychedelics. you gotta be careful with them research chems[/QUOTE] Well it certainly gave me extreme HPPD and made it so I get mad visuals every time I get high on [I]anything[/I]. nbome is weird.
does anyone know how the fuck opiate tolerance works? i havent used for months, and 4mg dilaudid gets me high as fuck every time. now i have to do 8mg to get where I want to be.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;40951827]It's just like how the nbome family can (supposedly) cause a perma-tolerance to all psychedelics. you gotta be careful with them research chems[/QUOTE]this guy speaks truth [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] I'm pretty sure 25i-nbome is the only drug ever to have such a high affinity for certain receptors. I don't remember which specific ones, but it was definitely the only drug discovered thus far to have such a high affinity for said receptors.
[QUOTE=Lebowski;40951691]It's called cross-tolerance, different drugs can still act on the same receptors in the brain. This is basic biology, pleb.[/QUOTE] First of all, no shit, thats the point of synthetic cannabinoids.. they activate cannabinoid receptors. What i'm saying is that unless your smoking pure powder bowls, you're never going to get to the point of "cant get high" Its as Lebowski said, there is cross tolerances. BUT SYNTHETIC CANNABINIOIDS ARE VERY VERY VERY SELECTIVE! Marijuana contains many cannabinoids that activate almost EVERY receptor in the brain. [QUOTE=Mac2468;40951827]It's just like how the nbome family can (supposedly) cause a perma-tolerance to all psychedelics. you gotta be careful with them research chems[/QUOTE] You definitely do have to be careful, and was there ever more than one report of this happening? You have to take into account that the reports are only anecdotal
[QUOTE=creative;40953274]First of all, no shit, thats the point of synthetic cannabinoids.. they activate cannabinoid receptors. What i'm saying is that unless your smoking pure powder bowls, you're never going to get to the point of "cant get high" Its as Lebowski said, there is cross tolerances. BUT SYNTHETIC CANNABINIOIDS ARE VERY VERY VERY SELECTIVE! Marijuana contains many cannabinoids that activate almost EVERY receptor in the brain.[/QUOTE] While I wouldn't make any claims for tolerances lasting a couple months after using blends, but I can certainly say quite a few of my friends and myself included didn't get really high at all off of bud for a good month or so after we tried Spice/K2; I can imagine people using more than we did would have a longer 'recovery' time; but just because they're very selective with what receptors they bind to doesn't mean there won't be a tolerance issue. So yes, while it appears that you know more than you initially let on, you still aren't in possession of all the facts and affects, so to just say [quote]lol what, I've never heard of this ever. Seems like one of those "once you do x on y-drug you can never enjoy x again!!!!111!"[/quote] means you're simply ignorant of the fact and shouldn't be making claims that it's false. Though certainly I would NEVER say that nbome could easily make it so that other psychedelics have no effect, but I'm not going to rule out the possibility unless I get decent enough evidence to say otherwise. You do NOT have enough evidence to say that synthetic cannabinoids would not up your tolerance, and while my experiences were not in a laboratory environment and thoroughly studied by actual scientists; I can easily say it did have an effect on my personal tolerance with marijuana and it affected my friends tolerance to the point where marijuana really did nothing for us. P.S. On top of that synthetic cannabinoids are full-agonists, what is present in marijuana are partial-agonists so synthetic cannabinoids are going to have a more profound effect on tolerance, withdrawals, etc. because of the difference in how they bind to receptors. Full-agonists create far more activity than partial-agonists.
I've been cutting my weed with scissors because i'm too cheap to get a grinder. What's the benefit of more finely cut weed? Is there a better way to do it?
more surface area, more even burn grinders do the exact same thing just faster, i dont really see the point in buying one unless you smoke a lot of weed [editline]9th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TehWhale;40952100]this guy speaks truth [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] I'm pretty sure 25i-nbome is the only drug ever to have such a high affinity for certain receptors. I don't remember which specific ones, but it was definitely the only drug discovered thus far to have such a high affinity for said receptors.[/QUOTE] this is true. there might be ones that are worse but certainly none that are as widely distributed as the nbome's
hey girl feel my sweater, you know what its made of? Boyfriend material [editline]9th June 2013[/editline] shit this isnt the addicts lounge sorry
[QUOTE=brianosaur;40950451]Well you need: Pyrex pan (circular or rectangle), probably 15 bucks at most extraction tube (you can get a stainless steel turkey baster, ho at bed bath and beyond for 6.99$, i bought a glass one for $20 that holds ~7g) vector butane - $5-$10 (you probably wont use a whole can unless your running an oz) i use a heating pad to purge, which was like 15 or 20 dollars when i bought it if you want you can have a mityvac vac pump, costs ~$45 and a 1$ mason jar as a vac chamber you should have some parchment paper as well its kind of an investment to start up, but dont think you'll be making any money off this unless you get unbelievable deals on good weed.[/QUOTE] Thanks, so it seems it'll run me about $85-110 per batch if i use 1/4oz each time, I could probably make most of my money back each time :D
[QUOTE=KillerTele;40951588]holy fuck guys i am finally stoned and i feel everything holy my lord the taste in my mouth is wow and the feeling of the keys when typing is just hoooly FUCK guys [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] fuck guys wrong thread shit sorry to keep in on topic i smoked hashis [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] help[/QUOTE] Yeah we got it to work, it was pretty good, like being really drunk except not feeling as sick.
its nothing like being really drunk :v:
Then maybe we didn't do it right, that's how I felt
[QUOTE=TehWhale;40952100]I'm pretty sure 25i-nbome is the only drug ever to have such a high affinity for certain receptors. I don't remember which specific ones, but it was definitely the only drug discovered thus far to have such a high affinity for said receptors.[/QUOTE] 5ht-2a i think
[QUOTE=Mac2468;40958111]more surface area, more even burn grinders do the exact same thing just faster, i dont really see the point in buying one unless you smoke a lot of weed [editline]9th June 2013[/editline] this is true. there might be ones that are worse but certainly none that are as widely distributed as the nbome's[/QUOTE] Some also catch keif, and even after one gram of dank, you should have enough for a small bowl of keif. [editline]9th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;40959040]Then maybe we didn't do it right, that's how I felt[/QUOTE] If you felt something, then you did it right, at least a little bit, but I think you've just never been really drunk then. Really drunk is like awful spins, nausea, poor movement and reaction time, and for some you reason you feel the need to tell everyone you're "Not that drunk" I think you probably felt the phenomenon known as "high". I mean, if one has nothing to compare being stoned to other than alcohol, I could see how one could say it's like alcohol but without all the ugh.
I've been drunk before, several times, but yeah that's the only thing I can compare it to.
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