The Official Questions Thread Version: "Charlies in the trees, what do I need to get rid of them?" - General

[QUOTE=catbarf;42560432]If you choose an MG you can't shoulder fire, you're wasting your money. That said, I would go with the MkII. The stock is much more ergonomic IMO, the lack of folding isn't a huge downside, and the different barrel length has minimal effect.[/QUOTE] okay. I want to keep a few options open though So, is the Echo 1 G36 any good? I could see combining that with a bipod and drum mag to make an MG36. Same with Cyma RPK, except I'd only have to get the drum mag. [editline]edit[/editline] fuck it, M249 is worth saving all the monies for. What kind of batteries fit in the stock? crane, butterfly, block? is cheapbatterypacks custom pack maker a good deal?

[QUOTE=paindoc;42560295]Hardly. There are points where stopping to hit a target you suddenly see a few times is appropriate, same with firing on the move. Stop, shoulder, fire a few rounds, keep moving[/QUOTE] Speaking from a wheel world perspective, should have clarified. In airsoft you could shoulder fire 6 of them if you really wanted to create a mount for it and carry it around. Also M27IAR?

from a real world perspective your point would be valid if we were discussing, say, an mg3/42 or a pkm or some other mg where your hand would be gripping the gas tube/barrel shroud directly but the m60 and minimi were expressly designed to have shoulder-fire capability...

[QUOTE=the_killer24;42560549]from a real world perspective your point would be valid if we were discussing, say, an mg3/42 or a pkm or some other mg where your hand would be gripping the gas tube/barrel shroud directly but the m60 and minimi were expressly designed to have shoulder-fire capability...[/QUOTE] Just because something can be done doesn't mean it is effective to do so. The recoil of firing a machine gun from shoulder pretty much ruins the idea of using the machine gun when your rounds won't even be accurate enough to suppress a position. The only saving grace of that being the weight of the gun, but even then, you're looking at a waste of rounds. For example, you're fully capable of fully automatic fire with an m4, but no soldier with any sense uses the m4 on auto unless they're in the absolute worst situation and probably going to die. The only use for automatic I've heard other than that is from my friend's brother who uses it as the first man into a building during a breach.

Full auto is for suppressing the enemy. Shooting bullets around an enemy is suppressing an enemy. Therefore, the MG does it's job even when it's missing. Just my two öre.

First game tomorrow, what should I expect? It's currently super overcast and drizzling every once in a while. I'm not FULLY prepared, but I've got what I Think I need. What I've got: MP5 with 7 Mags, Tac-light Grip thing. USP .45 with One mag, strict sidearm, might not even use this, since it's going to be cold as fuck tomorrow, so the compression will suck. Chest rig with built in M4 Mag-Pouches, great for holding almost anything Dump pouch for extra tactical speedy reloads Revision Desert Locust Goggles with Smoked Lens and/or Clear Lens, with all the good shit that comes with that. Going to go to walmart soon and see about picking up a Backpack for other stuff, like my gas and BBs and stuff.

Anyone with more than half a mind will notice that when bullets are flinging at least a few feet above their heads regularly, it's not really going to be a problem to engage you again. Suppression isn't just "flinging bullets around someone," it has to be done with some degree of accuracy. Your definition is pretty much what the Taliban have done with MGs. They have been witnessed bringing a guy out, he covers his eyes and hipfires the MG. After a brief moment of what the fuck is that guy even doing? He gets lit the fuck up and killed without taking down a single soldier. Suppression requires an actual chance of you getting hit to make it effective. Further more, suppression is just as effective with semi-automatic as it is with automatic, firing near where the guy is popping his head out occasionally is just as likely to suppress him as an entire hail of bullets. Accurate fire is more deadly and less wasteful than freak out auto.

Freaking out on auto usually scares the piss out of anyone and suppresses them.

I like the people who pop their heads out while I lay down supressing fire :v:

[QUOTE=GREN EYGS N HAM;42566349]Freaking out on auto usually scares the piss out of anyone and suppresses them.[/QUOTE] Until, you know, they either recover their wits and realize you're freaking out and not capable of hitting anything or are also freaked out which means two things, yes they're suppressed, but you're out of ammo now, gg. Accurate fire will still do the same job because you're clearly dangerous if they pop around that corner again, because you have an amazingly large chance of hitting them, and you'll have a longer duration of being able to suppress because you don't need as many rounds going down range.

But if you're gonna be accurate then you just put down the MG and deploy the bipod.

Got a match tomorrow with some friends. There's one spot in a wooded area where there's a hundred foot wide or so ditch with a stream running through it. One dirt bridge like thing across. On one side, a fairly solid 3 foot tall wood/log wall and on the other a stone wall about 5 feet tall. Always ends up being a "Fire over the wall blindly and hope to fuck you hitsomeone without getting shot yer self" sorta thing. Wastes bb's. What's the best way to counter either side?

Copious amounts of thunder B's.

[QUOTE=GREN EYGS N HAM;42567320]But if you're gonna be accurate then you just put down the MG and deploy the bipod.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so then you don't need to shoulder fire it, because there's no reason to have sustained inaccurate fire.

Shoulder it if you want somewhat accurate fire, atleast it's better than hipfiring. But if you want to be accurate then deployment is the way to go. Now lets stop clogging up the thread, I feel like this argument isn't gonna be appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;42567482]Got a match tomorrow with some friends. There's one spot in a wooded area where there's a hundred foot wide or so ditch with a stream running through it. One dirt bridge like thing across. On one side, a fairly solid 3 foot tall wood/log wall and on the other a stone wall about 5 feet tall. Always ends up being a "Fire over the wall blindly and hope to fuck you hitsomeone without getting shot yer self" sorta thing. Wastes bb's. What's the best way to counter either side?[/QUOTE] I'm never one to be an asshole while playing airsoft, and aim for the head or anything like that because that's just fucked up, but when people blindfire (all fields I've played at have it against the rules, but in pick up games with friends people like to do it) I aim for the hands because they deserve it for being assholes.

[QUOTE=Kath;42568092]I'm never one to be an asshole while playing airsoft, and aim for the head or anything like that because that's just fucked up, but when people blindfire (all fields I've played at have it against the rules, but in pick up games with friends people like to do it) I aim for the hands because they deserve it for being assholes.[/QUOTE] I'll see if I can work with that. My only issue is that I have to find a spot to aim out without getting plastered.

Does anyone know where that guide to suppression and using an airsoft MG is? it was quite a few paragraphs long and was written by some vets I think. Can't find it anywhere

thought i lost it in my sea of bookmarks but [url=http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/Airsoft-Automatic-Weapon-t198304.html&p=18394495#entry18394495]here it is[/url]

Exactly how TM compatible is this? I've always wanted a folding stock beta, and can (probably) put up with the shit externals [url]http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/1327-de-ak47s-fully-automatic-ak47-s-electric-aeg-rifle-folding-stock-de-m901-c.aspx[/url]

ew man whyy [editline]18th October 2013[/editline] also couldn't you just cyma beta?

[QUOTE=apoctank;42571558]Exactly how TM compatible is this? I've always wanted a folding stock beta, and can (probably) put up with the shit externals [url]http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/1327-de-ak47s-fully-automatic-ak47-s-electric-aeg-rifle-folding-stock-de-m901-c.aspx[/url][/QUOTE] Read [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1311251]this[/url].

[QUOTE=venom;42571572]ew man whyy [editline]18th October 2013[/editline] also couldn't you just cyma beta?[/QUOTE] Can't find a folding stock version in stock [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] unless I airsplat =/ [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] even then, it's a JG with a top rail and lolwtf rearsight

[QUOTE=the_killer24;42570870]thought i lost it in my sea of bookmarks but [url=http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/Airsoft-Automatic-Weapon-t198304.html&p=18394495#entry18394495]here it is[/url][/QUOTE] thanks, have it bookmarked now

i caught bb with my teeth today and now i am missing half of tooth i shall buy mesh mask asap

Guys, do you have any good tricks for losing the fog in your goggles? As soon as it is over 20 degrees Celcius (70 degrees Fahrenheit), my goggles fog up like a mediterranean rain forest. I have tried McNett's anti-fog drops, and they might last an hour at best. I am maybe applying it incorrectly, but I would appreciate some other better way of dealing with this. The only other option I have thought of is getting a full face mesh mask, like this: [IMG]http://www.airstrike.lt/image/cache/data/Tactical%20Gear/Matrix%20Iron%20Face%20Carbon%20Steel%20Striker%20Gen4%20Metal%20Mesh%20Full%20Face%20Mask%20Multicam-500x500.jpg[/IMG] But then again, I would have to buy some cheap clear safety glasses, like these: [IMG]http://assets.academy.com/mgen/49/10227549.jpg?is=500,500[/IMG] Just so that I have something protecting my eyes from any unfortunate bio-bbs that break down on impact. There must be a simpler solution!

Defog-It wipes. I fog like a bitch and on a normal day they'll stop fog all together. Also having goggles with proper ventilation and space to ventilate (helmets cause problems here) are also a big help. You can find revision desert locusts on ebay for around $30.

Drilling 2-3 4.5mm holes in the peripheral of the lens, and removing the foam from revisions also prevents fogging. As long as I avoid being stationary, I won't fog on 100f+ days in the swamps of Florida.

Those defogging wipes you guys praise? they did JACK for me yesterday, I had to stop and take cover at least 20 times to just wipe out my goggles.

The Defog-Its?