[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18808074]UGH and then clearly if you're going to ignore parts of the old testament you need to ignore THE WHOLE FUCKING THING or else you're a raging fucking hypocrite.
I can't stand all the Christian assholes who use Leviticus to hate and vote against gays, and then sit down to a nice big dinner of shrimp scampi at fucking Olive Garden.[/QUOTE]
olive garden: the pinnacle of western excess and opulence
[QUOTE=Goberfish;18808039]Yeah, by this logic, the people who write about the holocaust must condone it, right?
Your attacks on the Bible make no sense. God sent Lot's daughters after him?.. No, they decided for themselves to do it.
"Well if it's in the Bible, we must do that, right?" Where the hell did you get that misconception from?
And about stoning, if you ever paid any attention to the New Testament (which you probably didn't), in John 8:7 Jesus said this in a situation where the Pharisees wished to stone an adulterer;
"All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!"
According to the same book that this is in, we have all sinned, so if you're running off the Bible anyway you SHOULDN'T stone anyone anyway.[/QUOTE]
But that was a perfectly applicable moral [I]before[/I] Jesus came, yet the other prophets didn't seem to be getting any red lights from God them.
[QUOTE=James*;18808022]Erm, okay?
So what, dumb people deserve to have their views represented, and IQ tests mean little[/QUOTE]
Trust me... I've seen some stupid ass shit when it comes to people voting that makes me facepalm. Mostly people just voting for Obama cause they wanted to see him get assassinated.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18808080]Without referring to that. Think political.[/QUOTE]
Remember McCarthyism?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808108]But that was a perfectly applicable moral [I]before[/I] Jesus came, yet the other prophets didn't seem to be getting any red lights from God them.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Did you ever think of how Jesus might know a bit more than the prophets because he was GOD?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808141]Remember McCarthyism?[/QUOTE]
Yup... Sad shit eh?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18808118]Trust me... I've seen some stupid ass shit when it comes to people voting that makes me facepalm. Mostly people just voting for Obama cause they wanted to see him get assassinated.[/QUOTE]
I can assure you those people are a minority.
[QUOTE=Topher;18807992]Oh, and I bet you think Vladmir Ulyanov (later renamed himself Lenin) was a Russian tsar? Hell NO! He was originally a revolutionary who overthrew the tsars and gained political influence. Using key Marxist ideas, he put Russia under a communist system. His Red Army's symbol, the sickle and hammer, mean communal labor, or communism. Counterrevolutionaries tried several assassinations, but he brutally crushed them.[/QUOTE]
actually...i think i'm getting trolled..
[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18808074]UGH and then clearly if you're going to ignore parts of the old testament you need to ignore THE WHOLE FUCKING THING or else you're a raging fucking hypocrite.
I can't stand all the Christian assholes who use Leviticus to hate and vote against gays, and then sit down to a nice big dinner of shrimp scampi at fucking Olive Garden.
YOU DON'T GET TO FUCKING PICK AND CHOOSE.
[/QUOTE]
Don't we all?
And I never said we should ignore it- but morally, the old testament is outdated, lawfully, it's in-date, but Grace overrides law as Grace is from the new testament (or contract, w/e), so we shouldn't be hating on people who disobey the laws from the Bible.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808071]So you're saying you read a book, pick out the bits that you like, and then folllow them as you moral compass.
And like I said, Exodus 21. That is not a fucking parable. That is a very clear order.[/QUOTE]
I'm Not sure what delusions reign over your troubled mind, But my Book is as it has been for ages,
You could not access it through the net, Nor Buy it- You earn it.
You must assume I belong to a mainstream Christian following yes?
You assume much.
EDIT:
It seems that we are cornered by someone of *Vast intellectual superiority* whom of which is so *unfathomably
correct* we should obey your every word, Right? Yeah, Good luck with the "Holier than thou" statements,
Since you seem to have this inferiority complex eating away at you.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18808160]Yup... Sad shit eh?[/QUOTE]
So you're saying all the people involved in that were the intelligent liberal types and not the "simple man"?
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[QUOTE=Topher;18808155]Wow. Did you ever think of how Jesus might know a bit more than the prophets because he was GOD?[/QUOTE]
Well I would have assumed that when God handed down the aformentioned 10 holy commandments to Moses he could have at least slipped in the phrase "oh, and stoning? That's bad, m'kay?".
But of course, that would be [I]competent.[/I]
In response to conscript: I read them and chose to ignore them because you, in fact, are the one who is sadly mistaken. The original purpose of the USSR was to give all holdings to the peasants, but ended up in the hands of the communist party. I'm reading this straight out of a history textbook, btw.
[QUOTE=Lifeslicer;18808183]I'm Not sure what delusions reign over your troubled mind, But my Book is as it has been for ages,
You could not access it through the net, Nor Buy it- You earn it.
You must assume I belong to a mainstream Christian following yes?
You assume much.[/QUOTE]
It is, as you have chosen to read it, it's morals are as you have chosen them to be, your reward is what you thought it would be all along.
I assume you read the bible and I assume you listen to it as you see fit, and that's all I need.
All I need to know you're just as full of shit as everyone else saying the Bible is their moral compass.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18807831]no system is labor is perpetual and always requires human input. but that does not mean robots taking over many jobs is impossible
what is largely impossible though, is the introduction of mass robotic production in capitalism, as this investment wouldn't increase profits in the long run and it's cheaper to simply move to the third world and find cheap labor there. a socialist system has no interest in cheap labor or anything else in the interest of profits, and that therefore any progress in robotic production would be achieved much faster.
on another note, robotic production is on the minds of many socialists today. it's creating an influx of a new strain of thought, technocratic socialism. it combines the modern thought of technocracy and the labor theories of marxism.[/QUOTE]
Robotic Marxism. heh
that is so badass
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[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808200]So you're saying all the people involved in that were the intelligent liberal types and not the "simple man"?
[editline]01:36AM[/editline]
Well I would have assumed that when God handed down the aformentioned 10 holy commandments to Moses he could have at least slipped in the phrase "oh, and stoning? That's bad, m'kay?".
But of course, that would be [I]competent.[/I][/QUOTE]
Did you ever stop to think that by directly influencing world culure, God would have defeated the purpose of free will that he gave to his children.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808200]Well I would have assumed that when God handed down the aformentioned 10 holy commandments to Moses he could have at least slipped in the phrase "oh, and stoning? That's bad, m'kay?".
But of course, that would be [I]competent.[/I][/QUOTE]
You do realise, if the stoning laws were to be followed to the letter, Israel would be dead?
[QUOTE=Topher;18808335]In response to conscript: I read them and chose to ignore them because you, in fact, are the one who is sadly mistaken. The original purpose of the USSR was to give all holdings to the peasants, but ended up in the hands of the communist party. I'm reading this straight out of a history textbook, btw.[/QUOTE]
hahaha
he's not serious, is he?
[editline]02:47AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Topher;18808394]Did you ever stop to think that by directly influencing world culure, God would have defeated the purpose of free will that he gave to his children.[/QUOTE]
not really.
Regardless, free will is pretty dead.
[QUOTE=Topher;18808394]Did you ever stop to think that by directly influencing world culure, God would have defeated the purpose of free will that he gave to his children.[/QUOTE]
Uh, hello?
Commandments?
The Bible?
All the shit he fucked with his God powers?
Any of this ringing a bell?
[editline]01:48AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Goberfish;18808403]You do realise, if the stoning laws were to be followed to the letter, Israel would be dead?[/QUOTE]
So God's law is impractical? Who knew.
[QUOTE=Goberfish;18808178]Don't we all?
And I never said we should ignore it- but morally, the old testament is outdated, lawfully, it's in-date, but Grace overrides law as Grace is from the new testament (or contract, w/e), so we shouldn't be hating on people who disobey the laws from the Bible.[/QUOTE]
So then why vote against the freedoms of others because they break old laws, when you ("you" meaning Christians in general) break them all the time?
If gay marriage should be against the law because it's a "sin" then why isn't it against the law to eat pork or shrimp? Why isn't it against the law to get divorced?
Which is a greater thread to "traditional marriage": Two homos making a lifelong commitment, or legalized divorce?
Modern Chrisitians only follow the laws they find convenient and ignore the rest.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808341]It is, as you have chosen to read it, it's morals are as you have chosen them to be, your reward is what you thought it would be all along.
I assume you read the bible and I assume you listen to it as you see fit, and that's all I need.
All I need to know you're just as full of shit as everyone else saying the Bible is their moral compass.[/QUOTE]
You contradict yourself for the simple fact that Most modern bibles have not only had things removed,
but things reintered as they would have it.
My book is unaltered, But ofcourse You will not care~
You will only see fit to attempt to twist my meanings and slander me
One who is Intelligent knows that if you wish to change someone's views you do not engage them with
aggressive arguement as to cause a flamewar.
But ofcourse whatever you believe is right and I am wrong right? since you perfectly understand me
from argueing over the net right?
Like I had commented earlier, Inferiority complex.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808473]Uh, hello?
Commandments?
The Bible?
All the shit he fucked with his God powers?
Any of this ringing a bell?
[editline]01:48AM[/editline]
The Jews chose to follow it of their own free will. It's not like he said "follow these rules or I shall smite you." ah, no.
[QUOTE=Lifeslicer;18808519]You contradict yourself for the simple fact that Most modern bibles have not only had things removed,
but things reintered as they would have it.
My book is unaltered, But ofcourse You will not care~
You will only see fit to attempt to twist my meanings and slander me
One who is Intelligent knows that if you wish to change someone's views you do not engage them with
aggressive arguement as to cause a flamewar.
But ofcourse whatever you believe is right and I am wrong right? since you perfectly understand me
from argueing over the net right?
Like I had commented earlier, Inferiority complex.[/QUOTE]
Oh great, you're one of those pure and different little diamond types. ugh.
And who wrote that rule to conversation, hmm?
God, reading your posts is painful. Learn to write, you grammar is horrible.
I'm just going to assume your knowledge of psychiatry is equal to your knowledge of the English language.
So, tell me, what does your Bible say at Exodus 21?
[QUOTE=Topher;18808527][QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808473]Uh, hello?
Commandments?
The Bible?
All the shit he fucked with his God powers?
Any of this ringing a bell?
[editline]01:48AM[/editline]
The Jews chose to follow it of their own free will. It's not like he said "follow these rules or I shall smite you." ah, no.[/QUOTE]
So why couldn't he slip in "and don't stone people kk" as well, hmm?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18808600]Oh great, you're one of those pure and different little diamond types. ugh.
And who wrote that rule to conversation, hmm?
God, reading your posts is painful. Learn to write, you grammar is horrible.
I'm just going to assume your knowledge of psychiatry is equal to your knowledge of the English language.
So, tell me, what does your Bible say at Exodus 21?[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, All knowing- there you go again with the Inferiority complex
*Oh no he didn't use correct grammar ON MY FORUMS!?* Someone call the whine-ass academy we
have a scholarship at hand!.
*pure and different little diamond types* almost as arrogant as using the *Political Intelligence superiority* act right?
Lets try this, You are on an internet forum preaching your ideals and acting high-horsed as ever...
Attempting to best someone you have never met for reasons beyond fathoming,
Trying your hardest to discredit him though he could really care less about your rants, and
all the while trying to illicit a response from everyone that would make me seem *stupid* to justify your
claims.
What is with you man?
EDIT;
Also, please enlighten me to your Religion (or lack therof) so that i might *See your obvious greatness*
[QUOTE=Topher;18807992]Oh, and I bet you think Vladmir Ulyanov (later renamed himself Lenin) was a Russian tsar? Hell NO! He was originally a revolutionary who overthrew the tsars and gained political influence. Using key Marxist ideas, he put Russia under a communist system. His Red Army's symbol, the sickle and hammer, mean communal labor, or communism. Counterrevolutionaries tried several assassinations, but he brutally crushed them.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that WONDERFUL history lesson.
btw sparky, I know. I know more about Lenin then you your little brain will ever hope to conceive.
And now... for a challenge. Name me three policies of his that were Communist.
[editline]03:11AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lifeslicer;18808755]Ah yes, All knowing- there you go again with the Inferiority complex
*Oh no he didn't use correct grammar ON MY FORUMS!?* Someone call the whine-ass academy we
have a scholarship at hand!.
*pure and different little diamond types* almost as arrogant as using the *Political Intelligence superiority* act right?
Lets try this, You are on an internet forum preaching your ideals and acting high-horsed as ever...
Attempting to best someone you have never met for reasons beyond fathoming,
Trying your hardest to discredit him though he could really care less about your rants, and
all the while trying to illicit a response from everyone that would make me seem *stupid* to justify your
claims.
What is with you man?
EDIT;
Also, please enlighten me to your Religion (or lack therof) so that i might *See your obvious greatness*[/QUOTE]
You didn't answer his question, slappy
If I am the Hopeless moron that you seem to think me, Then why argue with me at all?
Does that not make you an idiot aswell for even engaging in conversation with me?
or perhaps I am the idiot for pursuing you in a conversation that you are continuing for the
purpose of trolling.
You do seem to trolling mc.gruffin, Either that or you are overly passionate and cannot understand
that people are different from you and will thusly have different and sometimes unwavering views.
[editline]02:13AM[/editline]
*You didn't answer his question, slappy*
I'm forbidden to do so.
and no such attack will shake me to tell you.
Second EDIT:
I will return to this thread later, I have to leave for a wee bit.
[QUOTE=Lifeslicer;18808755]Also, please enlighten me to your Religion (or lack therof) so that i might *See your obvious greatness*[/QUOTE]
His religion or lack thereof has no bearing on this discussion.
Your beliefs should stand no their own merits and not be a reaction to what someone else thinks.
[editline]02:29AM[/editline]
[quote=The Bible][b]Exodus 21:17[/b]
Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.[/quote]
Oh shit!!!
Are you speaking real words? I don't understand is going on at all.
[editline]03:33AM[/editline]
I think Life slicer had a lobotomy
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