[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]Then either they were top party officials, or you are sorely mistaken and they just do not want to speak to you about it.[/quote]
it seems to be impossible for you acknowledge there were plus sides to living in socialism, eh?
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]you're fucking kidding me right?
Do you realise how much of a shithole yugoslavia was? Remember the long civil war...? Its better now than it was then. [/quote]
you're really god damn stupid. tito made yugoslavia one of the most prosperous countries in europe, united the usually antagonistic and nationalist southern slavs, and actually put workers in power. people in yugoslavia did not have the economic problems of the warsaw pact countries, instead they had access to all kinds of consumer goods, western and eastern. yugoslavia was one of the most frequented places for vacation for people living in the warsaw pact countries
former yugoslavia today cannot even be compared to how it was back then, ask ANY person living now and unless they're some nationalist serb or croat they'll agree. i have a friend in slovenia who knows this first hand
you're making me take you less and less seirously
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]But hey while we admire murdering dictators, lets admire stalin, boy oh boy what a great guy, murdered millions! boy what fun... and Lenin killing the royal family! must've been fun. [/quote]
Any state in the mass internal turmoil the USSR was at the time would have done the same exact thing Stalin did. Other capitalist states have done things in times of unrest that you would expect the puppy kicking communists to do.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]Trotsky its a good thing you live in your university, i hope you never leave it so you don't infest the world with more idiotic dipshits who think they are right, yet don't quite realise how horrible it really was for people.[/quote]
you have no idea what you're talking about. you're a finn telling me and people who actually lived in socialist countries what it was like.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]No they had no need for it later on. I'm sorry but the Germans didn't do much during the Civil war, it was thanks to people who actually understood the horrors of communism and our hero Mannerheim. Yes the Soviets had little respect for Finland, but then again the rest of the world did, so why should I care what a group of lying totalitarian, communist cunts think? Also you didn't read the quote, it said how heroic Finland was, maybe the government didn't believe that, but the guys who were at least a little bit intelligent did. [/quote]
The 'horrors of communism' hadn't been 'realized' until the cold war, conveniently. When Finland crushed the revolution with the aid of germany, it wasn't to preserve democracy or whatever the dogma is today, it was preserving capitalism and the integrity of the (contextual) nation, which to the right wing of finland, communism meant the disintegration of.
And yes, the germans did do much. They gave professional aid to the white army that was not distinctly different from the red army. It was a huge advantage
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505][url]http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Ven%C3%A4l%C3%A4issyyt%C3%B6s+Suomi+unohtanut+jatkosodan+opetukset/1135251391148[/url] just use google translate or something. But basically its about how The Russian Ministry of Defence says that 'Finland has not learned from WW2' FUCK THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. Also the Russian ministry of defence says that the Winter War was because Finland was a satellite state of Germany and was told by Germany to refuse Russian treaties. There are two things wrong with that statement. First the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact stated that Finland was to be given to Russia and that it was in the Soviet sphere of influence. Secondly Finland refused because they would only get bullied more and they deserved their independence and would fight for it.
Also the Russian ministry of defence claims "Yet Finnish people and politicians seem to forget the teachings of history. They think that the modern day Russia has nothing do with the SU... Russia is always Russia, no matter what name it has..."
As they say a Russian is always a Russian no matter what. But hey, thats just how my grandparents and parents think because they grew up in that era of bullying by Russia. I think there are good russians, but the Russian government is and will always be an enemy for me.[/quote]
Most of this post has nothing to do with this discussion, just anti-russian rambling. I could honestly care less what the non-aggression pact stated, as it was simply recognizing that the USSR was a communization of the russian empire, due in part of the german policy of appeasement of the soviets so they wouldn't attack germany in the event of the german invasion of poland.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]Could you back up your facts? I'd like to know how many people thought that West Germany wasn't all its hyped up to be. Wasn't it like 3 million Germans who moved to West Germany straight after World War 2 and how many countless people tried to escape to West Berlin. You know why? because they actually wanted some freedom, instead of some secret police watching you every second.[/QUOTE]
I've never heard of germans moving straight after WW2, though the GDR didn't exist back then, and there was no secret police.
For east german nostalgia:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1999/11/burns.wall.nov8/[/url]
[url]http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB293/index.htm[/url] : On the Anniversary of the Berlin Wall collapsing
Most germans see the GDR with a mixed view. They hated the Stasi and the Berlin wall, which to a statesman, was objectively necessary. But they liked the fact that the GDR's government was responsive to the needs of the population and that it provided many social benefits to let an individual grow. For example, college students in the GDR had access to some of the best education in europe, and were given checks by the east german government to encourage them to live on their own and provide for themself. There were also numerous benefits for having a job that required hard labor, such as mining.
The unrest against the GDR in the late 80's/early 90's was mostly due in part to its slowing economy and unhappiness with the Stasi and the berlin wall. In turn they elected a new government in the GDR which, in retrospect, non-consensually united with west germany.
Anyway, most people who tried to escape to west berlin were skilled laborers, who were offered a higher incentive in west berlin to work for west german companies there. It was part of the western-initiated anti-communist brain drain which was intended to cause instability in the GDR. Indeed, especially in the GDR's beginning, it was the target of internal sabotage and open threats of war from its western counterpart.
From William Blum's [url=www.sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125025.pdf]Killing Hope[/url], a comprehensive book on reactions of the west against the establishment of socialist countries.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]
Trotsky its a good thing you live in your university[/QUOTE]
I live in my university?
Almost my entire family is Christian conservative Republicans. It is utter shit. Every time they are talking about something, it always turns to "oh gays are immoral" and "onoes obamas a muslim impeach" and bullshit like that. People like that (who are intentionally ignorant of everything that is true, but that they don't don't to believe) should be shot in the stomach and left to let their own stomach acids destroy their internal organs.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18879505]Then either they were top party officials, or you are sorely mistaken and they just do not want to speak to you about it.[/QUOTE]
HOOOOOOOOAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
hold on, hold on
...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHOHOSHOEHEHEHEHEHEE
[QUOTE=Conscript;18885178]it seems to be impossible for you acknowledge there were plus sides to living in socialism, eh?
you're really god damn stupid. tito made yugoslavia one of the most prosperous countries in europe, united the usually antagonistic and nationalist southern slavs, and actually put workers in power. people in yugoslavia did not have the economic problems of the warsaw pact countries, instead they had access to all kinds of consumer goods, western and eastern. yugoslavia was one of the most frequented places for vacation for people living in the warsaw pact countries
former yugoslavia today cannot even be compared to how it was back then, ask ANY person living now and unless they're some nationalist serb or croat they'll agree. i have a friend in slovenia who knows this first hand
you're making me take you less and less seirously
Any state in the mass internal turmoil the USSR was at the time would have done the same exact thing Stalin did. Other capitalist states have done things in times of unrest that you would expect the puppy kicking communists to do.
you have no idea what you're talking about. you're a finn telling me and people who actually lived in socialist countries what it was like.
The 'horrors of communism' hadn't been 'realized' until the cold war, conveniently. When Finland crushed the revolution with the aid of germany, it wasn't to preserve democracy or whatever the dogma is today, it was preserving capitalism and the integrity of the (contextual) nation, which to the right wing of finland, communism meant the disintegration of.
And yes, the germans did do much. They gave professional aid to the white army that was not distinctly different from the red army. It was a huge advantage
Most of this post has nothing to do with this discussion, just anti-russian rambling. I could honestly care less what the non-aggression pact stated, as it was simply recognizing that the USSR was a communization of the russian empire, due in part of the german policy of appeasement of the soviets so they wouldn't attack germany in the event of the german invasion of poland.
I've never heard of germans moving straight after WW2, though the GDR didn't exist back then, and there was no secret police.
For east german nostalgia:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/1999/11/burns.wall.nov8/[/url]
[url]http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB293/index.htm[/url] : On the Anniversary of the Berlin Wall collapsing
Most germans see the GDR with a mixed view. They hated the Stasi and the Berlin wall, which to a statesman, was objectively necessary. But they liked the fact that the GDR's government was responsive to the needs of the population and that it provided many social benefits to let an individual grow. For example, college students in the GDR had access to some of the best education in europe, and were given checks by the east german government to encourage them to live on their own and provide for themself. There were also numerous benefits for having a job that required hard labor, such as mining.
The unrest against the GDR in the late 80's/early 90's was mostly due in part to its slowing economy and unhappiness with the Stasi and the berlin wall. In turn they elected a new government in the GDR which, in retrospect, non-consensually united with west germany.
Anyway, most people who tried to escape to west berlin were skilled laborers, who were offered a higher incentive in west berlin to work for west german companies there. It was part of the western-initiated anti-communist brain drain which was intended to cause instability in the GDR. Indeed, especially in the GDR's beginning, it was the target of internal sabotage and open threats of war from its western counterpart.
From William Blum's [url=www.sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125025.pdf]Killing Hope[/url], a comprehensive book on reactions of the west against the establishment of socialist countries.[/QUOTE]
Well yes it was partly anti-russian ramblings, but if you read everything you would understand that it shows how communist ideals and their bullshit still dominates the Soviet Union. I don't care what you think about Finland, Finland shows that people can forget their political ideas and join together to fight a common enemy. I think you should go to the Berlin Wall museum in BERLIN and learn some shit, the amount of people who moved over was incredible. Who the fuck would want to live in a communist shithole? who? I'd rather live in West Berlin so that I could choose where I wanted to go in life. At least I could buy as much bread as I wanted and work where I wanted. Communism destroys competition, without competition, technology becomes stagnant. It also destroys competition in a way that it doesn't matter where you work, you just go anywhere and get the same pay. Bullshit if you're smarter and better at your job than the other people, you have the right to get more money and better benefits. Why? Because you worked for it. Are you saying that Germany should just have stayed divided? Wow, nice one dipshit, you're talking about countries as if you know whats good for them, yet you know jack shit about what the people felt. You just talk about how Finland should not have defended its independence and East Germany and West Germany should never have joined together... Who are you to decide for other countries? You're like Chamberlain at the Munich Conference of 1938, you're a coward and an idiot.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;18892878]I live in my university?[/QUOTE]
probably, because you really don't seem like you've been exposed to the outside world. But then again, you're probably a 13 year old just talking about how awesome you are because you're totally like a non-conformist. Whoa man you don't even conform to the non-conformers, you're a communist and you hate the world. Grow up, get some balls, go work and maybe, you'll understand that communism does not work and is just pointless. The economic theories are utter bullshit.
you know what doesn't work? extremes
[QUOTE=Penis Colada;18909203]you know what doesn't work? extremes[/QUOTE]
you speak the truth.
Earthen, I love you in a brotherly way. You have dominated Trotsky at every turn, and you have earned my respect. Keep up the good work.
[QUOTE=Topher;18914656]Earthen, I love you in a brotherly way. You have dominated Trotsky at every turn, and you have earned my respect. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]
why thankyou, as proven in history, communists lose
[QUOTE=Earthen;18909143]
probably, because you really don't seem like you've been exposed to the outside world. But then again, you're probably a 13 year old just talking about how awesome you are because you're totally like a non-conformist. Whoa man you don't even conform to the non-conformers, you're a communist and you hate the world. Grow up, get some balls, go work and maybe, you'll understand that communism does not work and is just pointless. The economic theories are utter bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Not helping yourself seem like a mature adult right there.
It's a weird day when your defending the guy you hate :s
[QUOTE=evilweazel;18914716]Not helping yourself seem like a mature adult right there.
It's a weird day when your defending the guy you hate :s[/QUOTE]
how am i defending the guy i hate?
[QUOTE=Topher;18914656]Earthen, I love you in a brotherly way. You have dominated Trotsky at every turn, and you have earned my respect. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Earthen;18914702]why thankyou, as proven in history, communists lose[/QUOTE]
Is it just me or does it smell like somebody is wearing Samefag™ brand cologne?
[editline]05:34PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Earthen;18915005]how am i defending the guy i hate?[/QUOTE]
Evilweazel is defending Trotsky.
Evilweazel hates Trotsky.
Ergo, you are going to fail the reading comprehension portion of the SAT.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18909143]Well yes it was partly anti-russian ramblings, but if you read everything you would understand that it shows how communist ideals and their bullshit still dominates the Soviet Union.[/quote]
no they don't. russia is a fucking oligarchy.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18909143]I don't care what you think about Finland, Finland shows that people can forget their political ideas and join together to fight a common enemy.[/quote]
you're going to try to tell me that politics had nothing to do with finns fighting in the winter war? are you going to tell me politics had nothing to do with fighting in Iraq, either? both were equally pointless from a average objective person's POV and driven by the upper leadership.
[QUOTE=Earthen;18909143]I think you should go to the Berlin Wall museum in BERLIN and learn some shit, the amount of people who moved over was incredible. Who the fuck would want to live in a communist shithole? who? I'd rather live in West Berlin so that I could choose where I wanted to go in life. At least I could buy as much bread as I wanted and work where I wanted. Communism destroys competition, without competition, technology becomes stagnant. It also destroys competition in a way that it doesn't matter where you work, you just go anywhere and get the same pay. Bullshit if you're smarter and better at your job than the other people, you have the right to get more money and better benefits. Why? Because you worked for it.[/quote]
this post is one big pile of shit. it's so obvious you didn't read my post, asking questions like 'who would want to live in a communist shithole?' when we just got done discussing east german nostalgia and fondness of the GDR, something you conveniently ignored. give me a fucking break
i could go into paragraphs of what socialism is and isn't, but i'm afraid you'll get lost and i'll end up with another one of these:
[QUOTE=Earthen;18909143]Are you saying that Germany should just have stayed divided? Wow, nice one dipshit, you're talking about countries as if you know whats good for them, yet you know jack shit about what the people felt. You just talk about how Finland should not have defended its independence and East Germany and West Germany should never have joined together... Who are you to decide for other countries? You're like Chamberlain at the Munich Conference of 1938, you're a coward and an idiot.
[/QUOTE]
you did not read the post you quoted, and i'm starting to doubt if you've read any of mine. and if you did, you're now just looking for something to slander me with
i'm done with you. you're getting emotional and it's showing in your reading ability and your posts. you're not the first nationalist finn i've met, but you're certainly the most narrow minded.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18915948]no they don't. russia is a fucking oligarchy.
you're going to try to tell me that politics had nothing to do with finns fighting in the winter war? are you going to tell me politics had nothing to do with fighting in Iraq, either? both were equally pointless from a average objective person's POV and driven by the upper leadership.
this post is one big pile of shit. it's so obvious you didn't read my post, asking questions like 'who would want to live in a communist shithole?' when we just got done discussing east german nostalgia and fondness of the GDR, something you conveniently ignored. give me a fucking break
i could go into paragraphs of what socialism is and isn't, but i'm afraid you'll get lost and i'll end up with another one of these:
you did not read the post you quoted, and i'm starting to doubt if you've read any of mine. and if you did, you're now just looking for something to slander me with
i'm done with you. you're getting emotional and it's showing in your reading ability and your posts. you're not the first nationalist finn i've met, but you're certainly the most narrow minded.[/QUOTE]
Don't you fucking start about a Finnish persons point of view on the Winter War. The Winter War was a war of independence. The Winter War was driven because Finland defended its natives, are you saying we should have just given the Russians our land? Well fuck, where are you from? I think we should give that portion of land to Russia and give you ascension island... sound good? As I said before, the communists and the aristocrats of Finland joined to fight a common enemy. It was pointless maybe because the Russians should not have made such outrageous demands, but at least we had some balls to stand up to them. The reason us Finns are nationalistic, its because we were bullied by a larger country, but we stood our ground. My parents who were born maybe 20 years after the winter war grew up with the hatred of Russians. I can honestly understand why. Why should our boys have to go die because some Russians are being pussies? Stop acting like you know everything about history, maybe you should research a thing called "The Spirit of the Winter War". And also visit some Finnish vets and some Russian vets, then you might understand. But since you're obviously an ignorant communist maybe you should just go die in a ditch, because you obviously don't understand what the Winter War means to Finns.
Also nice one on the narrow-minded part, really being a hypocrite there brah, all you say is that communism is the only way to go and that capitalism has killed millions. Didn't the October revolution kill thousands as well? and how about the French Revolution (not really communist, but same idea).
[editline]06:20PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18915369]Is it just me or does it smell like somebody is wearing Samefag™ brand cologne?
[editline]05:34PM[/editline]
Evilweazel is defending Trotsky.
Evilweazel hates Trotsky.
Ergo, you are going to fail the reading comprehension portion of the SAT.[/QUOTE]
Nice one, I'm not doing the SATs. As I said before i'm doing the IB, the closest i have to a reading thing is French reading exam, History source analysis exam and English commentary. But then again I'm getting 24/25 average on my English commentaries, so yeah... But then again I'm shit in French so I will probably fail that.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18915948]i'm done with you. you're getting emotional and it's showing in your reading ability and your posts. you're not the first nationalist finn i've met, but you're certainly the most narrow minded.[/QUOTE]
This.
He's not trying to discuss the topics, he's just trying to find ways to personally attack you.
Republicans/Conservatives: 0
Democrats/Communists: ∞
[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18916715]This.
He's not trying to discuss the topics, he's just trying to find ways to personally attack you.
Republicans/Conservatives: 0
Democrats/Communists: ∞[/QUOTE]
I'm discussing the topics, but personal insults just boost that discussion
also i'm a democrat so really your little analysis there is quite stupid
Also how can you compare democrats and communists, or put them together? They're very very very different
[QUOTE=Earthen;18909143]
probably, because you really don't seem like you've been exposed to the outside world.[/quote]
I've gone through a lot more shit then you ever have.
[quote]But then again, you're probably a 13 year old[/quote]
How many times do we have to go over this? I'm older then you.
[quote] just talking about how awesome you are because you're totally like a non-conformist.[/quote]
Conformity sucks. I consider myself part of the Bohemian scene, now THAT'S where I get my nonconformist values. Not my politics, but my social life.
[quote] Whoa man you don't even conform to the non-conformers,[/quote]
what?
[quote] you're a communist and you hate the world.[/quote]
I'm a humanist you tool.
[quote] Grow up, get some balls,[/quote]
I already am. By the way you act, you sound like a angsty teenager pissed off at something that isn't there.
[quote] go work[/quote]
I do.
[quote]and maybe, you'll understand that communism does not work and is just pointless. The economic theories are utter bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Actually, here's the thing, it does. You, on the other hand, need to realize the USSR, china, Cuba (although successful), Vietnam, Cambodia, etc, were never, ever, communist
lets switch gears.
Lets look at some WONDERFULLY conceived capitalist nations and era's.
Spain under Franco
Mussolini and Italy
Hitler and Germany.
Codreanu in Romania
Salgado in Brazil
Imperial Japan during WW2
The Industrial Revolution
Dollfuss of Austria
[editline]07:28PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Topher;18914656]Earthen, I love you in a brotherly way. You have dominated Trotsky at every turn, and you have earned my respect. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Earthen;18914702]why thankyou, as proven in history, communists lose[/QUOTE]
oh, cute, when the autistic fall in love
[editline]07:30PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Earthen;18916656]
Nice one, I'm not doing the SATs. As I said before i'm doing the IB, the closest i have to a reading thing is French reading exam, History source analysis exam and English commentary. But then again I'm getting 24/25 average on my English commentaries, so yeah... But then again I'm shit in French so I will probably fail that.[/QUOTE]
look at me gais im earthen
im in some shitty ib programme therfore i no more then all of you
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18916863]Lets look at some WONDERFULLY conceived capitalist nations and era's.
Spain under Franco
Mussolini and Italy
Hitler and Germany.[/QUOTE]
You sure are smart. It wasn't capitalism, it was faux-capitalism, or fascism by another name. Under the fascist system, the dictatorship in power allowed the illusion of a free market, but the government still controlled the means of distribution. The government wasn't itself those means, but their hand intervened frequently, and with this great control "private" businesses were commanded to produce full-capacity for the imperial war machine of the greater fascist powers, most especially Germany.
[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18917028]You sure are smart. It wasn't capitalism, it was faux-capitalism, or fascism by another name. Under the fascist system, the dictatorship in power allowed the illusion of a free market, but the government still controlled the means of distribution. The government wasn't itself those means, but their hand intervened frequently, and with this great control "private" businesses were commanded to produce full-capacity for the imperial war machine of the greater fascist powers, most especially Germany.[/QUOTE]
wait, so it was a super secret operation that only you know? Nice.
you have it completely backwards. Corporatism is where the BUSINESS' have economic control over the governing body.
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Corporatism is Mussolini's work. Mussolini practically created Fascism.
HAHAHA that slaps me on the knee! yeah trotsky you're right. facism really worked out well, didn't it. I think not, troll.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18916863]I've gone through a lot more shit then you ever have.
How many times do we have to go over this? I'm older then you.
Conformity sucks. I consider myself part of the Bohemian scene, now THAT'S where I get my nonconformist values. Not my politics, but my social life.
what?
I'm a humanist you tool.
I already am. By the way you act, you sound like a angsty teenager pissed off at something that isn't there.
I do.
Actually, here's the thing, it does. You, on the other hand, need to realize the USSR, china, Cuba (although successful), Vietnam, Cambodia, etc, were never, ever, communist
lets switch gears.
Lets look at some WONDERFULLY conceived capitalist nations and era's.
Spain under Franco
Mussolini and Italy
Hitler and Germany.
Codreanu in Romania
Salgado in Brazil
Imperial Japan during WW2
The Industrial Revolution
Dollfuss of Austria
[editline]07:28PM[/editline]
oh, cute, when the autistic fall in love
[editline]07:30PM[/editline]
look at me gais im earthen
im in some shitty ib programme therfore i no more then all of you[/QUOTE]
Not saying that, just saying I get a much more unbiased view of politics in school because they teach us that way. Also the IB is not shitty, proven to be better than all the other ones...
Your example of wonderful capitalist (well they were actually fascist and shit) countries was extremely biased, heres another list:
the US
UK
Most of Europe
and slowly China
Also I hate bohemians, get over yourself for fucks sake! All bohemians do is try and act all deep like whoa the world is so corrupt maaaan. The world is not that depressing alright?! Its pretty fucking great, unless you live in like somalia or some shit. Its no wonder you don't have a social life if you get your social values, whatever from the bohemian scene. Or is a scene too conformist for you?
[QUOTE=Topher;18918353]HAHAHA that slaps me on the knee! yeah trotsky you're right. facism really worked out well, didn't it. I think not, troll.[/QUOTE]
I never said it did
rated you bad reading.
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[QUOTE=Earthen;18918613]Not saying that, just saying I get a much more unbiased view of politics in school because they teach us that way. Also the IB is not shitty, proven to be better than all the other ones...[/quote]
Obviously not if it produces people like you
[quote]Your example of wonderful capitalist (well they were actually fascist and shit) countries was extremely biased, heres another list:
the US
UK
Most of Europe
and slowly China[/quote]
Fascism is capitalism.
The US is a cluster fuck
the UK and most of Europe is Democratic socialist. When they were Capitalist, they were shit holes.
China? Seriously?
[quote]Also I hate bohemians, get over yourself for fucks sake! All bohemians do is try and act all deep like whoa the world is so corrupt maaaan. The world is not that depressing alright?! Its pretty fucking great, unless you live in like somalia or some shit. Its no wonder you don't have a social life if you get your social values, whatever from the bohemian scene. Or is a scene too conformist for you?[/QUOTE]
I'd really wish if you'd stop assuming. TH
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18918792]I never said it did
rated you bad reading.
[editline]08:56PM[/editline]
Obviously not if it produces people like you
Fascism is capitalism.
The US is a cluster fuck
the UK and most of Europe is Democratic socialist. When they were Capitalist, they were shit holes.
China? Seriously?
I'd really wish if you'd stop assuming. TH[/QUOTE]
No bohemians are actually arrogant cunts who need to get over themselves. Wow nice comparison there. Does that mean that Hitler was a perfect socialist because the National SOCIALIST Party got its name partly from that. YOU STOP ASSUMING
ahahahahahahahahahahahahsaghahashahahahahahshahahahahfagahahahsahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha England doesn't look too good. I lived there for two years, lemme tell you their idea of socialism ain't workin too well. I think liberal conservatism is just about the best we can get. Mixing capitalism with basic welfare and health service. While giving free choice on a lot of things. But you're communist anything with basic or capital in it is basically the devil...
Actually the "national socialist" party got its name because Hitler wanted to appease the working class of Germany.
uh, actually it does work. It started to tank under Thatcher.
[QUOTE=Topher;18918353]HAHAHA that slaps me on the knee! yeah trotsky you're right. facism really worked out well, didn't it. I think not, troll.[/QUOTE]
wow you really don't know how to read at all, do you?
[QUOTE=Earthen;18916798]I'm discussing the topics, but personal insults just boost that discussion
also i'm a democrat so really your little analysis there is quite stupid
Also how can you compare democrats and communists, or put them together? They're very very very different[/QUOTE]
You don't live in America nor are you an American citizen.
You cannot be a registered member of the Democratic party unless you are an American citizen.
ERGO, you are dumb and deserve boxes.
[QUOTE=Topher;18918353]HAHAHA that slaps me on the knee! yeah trotsky you're right. facism really worked out well, didn't it. I think not, troll.[/QUOTE]
a conservative who is an idiot?
i'm shocked
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18920517]Actually the "national socialist" party got its name because Hitler wanted to appease the working class of Germany.
uh, actually it does work. It started to tank under Thatcher.[/QUOTE]
kinda the point I was making, but still did that mean that he was good simply because he used socialism?
[QUOTE=Earthen;18939352]kinda the point I was making, but still did that mean that he was good simply because he used socialism?[/QUOTE]
He didn't use socialism, he used the name
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