The chart is misleading. Back then they taught basics, which you may find essential, but isn't. Teaching more outward ideas and facts is what education strives to do now in these days, and it doesn't work. Why? Because most people are dumb. How do I know? I scored a psychology self exam as Irrational for this idea meaning its become an accepted fact that most people are dumb and those who know so are ratical to think so.
Don't blame the education, blame the dumb people who can't-learn/teach/blow-off education.
I always do horribly on tests, but understand the concept later on. Like a day or an hour later on. This is probably somehow related to me almost failing English last year but getting in the 97th percentile on the PSATs. Almost failed math too, 94th percentile on PSATs.
I completely agree that the current school system should be redone for todays generation, Wikipedia should be part of the curriculum in some way, it has information about pretty much everything. And hell, okay here's an idea, maybe teachers could proof read the pages before they teach from them, amazing, that solves the problem of George Cock crossing the Delaware on Easter and capturing the French. I love the structuring of Wikipedia, it's all organized so nicely, with links to follow for further knowledge. Hell, have dictionary open in the next tab to check all the words you don't understand.
Lessons should be teaching concepts, showing some real world examples, 20 minutes of practicing said concept in an extremely easy situation, progressively getting harder, as in, by the day before the test every problem should be doable, if the student can only get up to #8 or whatever they can stay for extra lessons or look it up online and study it at home. Homework shouldn't be mandatory, but only for studying.
I'm going to get so many boxes.
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[QUOTE=Montroze;19755939]The chart is misleading. Back then they taught basics, which you may find essential, but isn't. Teaching more outward ideas and facts is what education strives to do now in these days, and it doesn't work. Why? Because most people are dumb. How do I know? I scored a psychology self exam as Irrational for this idea meaning its become an accepted fact that most people are dumb and those who know so are ratical to think so.
Don't blame the education, [B]blame the dumb people who can't-learn/teach/blow-off education[/B].[/QUOTE]
It isn't really that these people can or can't learn. They don't try.
One of my neighbors kids is going into High school next year...In his Freshman year he's going to take Geometry, AP physics, honors English, PE/Health, Spanish 1, and world history. That's his freshman year. I asked him why, he replied so he could get into a good college. Too much pressure on kids in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19756018]
It isn't really that these people can or can't learn. They don't try.[/QUOTE]
Which is pretty much why they are dumb.
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[QUOTE=Sottalytober;19756048]One of my neighbors kids is going into High school next year...In his Freshman year he's going to take Geometry, AP physics, honors English, PE/Health, Spanish 1, and world history. That's his freshman year. I asked him why, he replied so he could get into a good college. Too much pressure on kids in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
He will soon find out that many colleges don't take uber smart people for fear they will have to compete for scholarships to this 1 person. And that many jobs even within a university study will find him as over qualified and will like not want to take him.
He will also probably have no friends...
[QUOTE=Montroze;19756051]Which is pretty much why they are dumb.[/QUOTE]
I really disagree. Most people are pretty rational and whatever, but in groups you start to get shit like peer pressure and all that dumb shit, plus a lot of these people don't really see why they should try because they don't see the point in school. It's a bit difficult to expect a highschooler to take English, Chemistry as something they will need later on in life, when they don't even know what they want to do with the rest of their lives. The learn this because you might need it later on method of teaching seems a bit silly.
ITT: kid too lazy to finish high school
[QUOTE=Kybalt;19756098]I really disagree. Most people are pretty rational and whatever, but in groups you start to get shit like peer pressure and all that dumb shit, plus a lot of these people don't really see why they should try because they don't see the point in school. It's a bit difficult to expect a highschooler to take English, Chemistry as something they will need later on in life, when they don't even know what they want to do with the rest of their lives. The learn this because you might need it later on method of teaching seems a bit silly.[/QUOTE]
In the words of Tommy Lee Jones (Agent Kay-Men in Black), [I]"A person is smart, but people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals..."[/I]
I contest your argument with not the bad teaching being the cause, the fucktard retarded students who dont give a crap anymore about themselves so teachers do desperate things to save them.
Teen angst.
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[QUOTE=Sottalytober;19756048]One of my neighbors kids is going into High school next year...In his Freshman year he's going to take Geometry, AP physics, honors English, PE/Health, Spanish 1, and world history. That's his freshman year. I asked him why, he replied so he could get into a good college. Too much pressure on kids in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
what a fucking nerde
*cough* because now schools are little pussies who think "ahhh lets just let them do whatever", in the 60s, it was a lot more strict *cough*
You.
Kids.
Are.
So.
Fucking.
Spoiled.
School isn't that fucking hard. I wasn't a 4.0 genius, but I passed every class, you know how?
[b] Pay attention.[/b]
I keep hearing bitching and bitching how hard it is. You know what's harder? Work. You think your teachers is a self-righteous bitch and intolerable? Haha, wait till you get a boss. [b]THEN[/b], you'll recognize a total bitch.
Stop blaming the education system. It's [b]your[/b] fault. You don't pay attention, you don't do well. If you're not doing well, ask for help. Take notes, study them, and etc. You have all the resources in the world to do so. You have the tools, your fault if you don't use them. School is life, don't cry about it.
Do you know what every smart student who consistently get good grades have in common? They appreciate education, they want it, and work hard. They certainly ain't bitching how unfair the education system is.
I mean, I hear kids are able to leave school and go home because they have a stomach ache. What the fuck?
Back then, we couldn't unless we had an obvious fever.
If I want to know about something I search for it on the Internet, problem solved.
[QUOTE=Levithan;19756271]If I want to know about something I search for it on the Internet, problem solved.[/QUOTE]
[b] "Hi there, Sir. I see you are applying for a computer technician position. May I see your credentials?"
"I looked up stuff on the Internet and now, I know how to do it."
"..."[/b]
[QUOTE=grayronftw;19756252]what a fucking nerde[/QUOTE]
Talking to him, apparently everyone is trying to get an honor's diploma or highest distinction diploma. That's the norm for most people, besides the geometry.
I think the education system itself is fine, though it does need a good deal of streamlining, and a good deal of effort put in the public schooling system (higher paychecks for teachers = better quality teachers and education = better outcome of education). What I read in this thread sounds like a bunch of whiny high-schoolers who are overall too lazy and too close-minded to realize a few things:
1. To quote "Shift Happens," modern education is preparing today's students for jobs that don't exist yet, which will be based off technologies which have not been invented yet. The entire point of the modern education system (until you hit university) is to teach people how to learn and keep up with the fast pace of the world. Some intelligent, progressive mind built modern schooling around that. The plethora of electives, science classes, and everything that are added on to your more physically-grounded English and Math -- those are all the fluff that help actually open your mind to the processes involved in learning something new. In ten years, US history will be worthless, yes -- but the way that you actually learned to retain all of that crappy history might actually help you memorize the right facts to make a neural uplink chair's controller function right.
2. Letter grades (numerical grades, even more so) grow in necessity because of the growing tradition (After the GI bill) to go to university after high school. Universities (especially the top ones) rely on these grades (whether they be on tests, classes, exams, etc) to decide who is admitted / denied. Pass / fails on classes would only make their pick harder, and thus their quality of education, which their reputations are pinned on, would go down. Also, someone mentioned that AP classes were a strange and unnecessary phenomenon -- grow up. We move along the track faster and faster, traditional "high school" classes are behind the times if you want to really be in the competitive top 5% of the nation's budding workforce. No matter how many college classes you take, there will always be more to fill in. The harder classes you take now, the smarter you will be in the future, which is all the better, right?
I'm tired, my logic might be fail. But,
TLDR: This system is designed to make you smarter while allowing the system to receive feedback enough to adapt to constantly changing student bodiess.
If you don't like it, grow up.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19756302][b] "Hi there, Sir. I see you are applying for a computer technician position. May I see your credentials?"
"I looked up stuff on the Internet and now, I know how to do it."
"..."[/b][/QUOTE]
:pcgaming1:
[QUOTE=Sottalytober;19756304]Talking to him, apparently everyone is trying to get an honor's diploma or highest distinction diploma. That's the norm for most people, besides the geometry.[/QUOTE]
hes been lied to
wait, your school forces you to take pottery?
lol we get to choose
well taking a language is a given because of college requirements for that sort of thing but we still have a myriad of electives to choose from that aren't pottery.
anyways, why do each of your paragraphs need a heading, why isn't any of this stuff cited?
[QUOTE=Lazor;19756470]wait, your school forces you to take pottery?
lol we get to choose
well taking a language is a given because of college requirements for that sort of thing but we still have a myriad of electives to choose from that aren't pottery.
anyways, why do each of your paragraphs need a heading, why isn't any of this stuff cited?[/QUOTE]
You need one year of fine arts to graduate....I think.
OP just sounds like a kid whining cause he doesn't like going to school and putting time into working.
ITT angsty teens that once they get a good job because they have a proper education will realize it wasn't just a huge waste of time.
[QUOTE=Smoot;19757018]ITT angsty teens that once they get a good job because they have a proper education will realize it wasn't just a huge waste of time.[/QUOTE]
Except the OP won't cause doing essays is against what he believes. Therefore failing grades.
This could be late but someone mentioned finals worth too much, if the final isn't worth much kids would just cheat and fly through the course. I think the education is fine, they really have dumbed it down to us I don't think it's the education most of the time, it's people who go to school only because they have too
[QUOTE=Atwal;19757575]This could be late but someone mentioned finals worth too much, if the final isn't worth much kids would just cheat and fly through the course. I think the education is fine, they really have dumbed it down to us I don't think it's the education most of the time, it's people who go to school only because they have too[/QUOTE]
It's for the argument some people have trouble doing tests and their performance suffers as a result of it.
[QUOTE=Pie108;19757606]It's for the argument some people have trouble doing tests and their performance suffers as a result of it.[/QUOTE]
Well here, finals are only worth 20-30 % but i still think my argument stands. I see your point though.
I hate how up until College/Uni it's all about the grades, you're taught what's going to be on the exam and not just taught.
[QUOTE=Jund;19753938]Schools don't focus on teaching anymore, and just cram work and tests down our throats. Why can't high school be like elementary school? I missed the practical, hands on way of learning because I was actually interested on what we were doing. If you want to learn, then you would learn lots, and if you want to goof off, then good luck working at McDonalds.[/QUOTE]
i kinda agree
All they do it make it so you can pass the finals and thats it you really dont learn anything at all im almost 85% deaf and I PASSED
i have been sliding by since i was in 2nd grade
the school district's does not give a shit about me
Your reasons for hating school are ridiculous and have very little to do with why school really sucks.
Yes, school is retarded, but it's retarded because of the methods they use to teach you, the things they teach you, (all the pointless shit they end up teaching you in math that you will never use unless you get a job that requires it, in which case you should just have to take some sort of extra course, etc) and the grading system. For most subjects (excluding math) about 30% of your grade is made up of tests, the rest is based on how much work you get done. Because of this, a slacker who is incredibly smart can end up failing a class multiple times because they didn't do a certain assignment, even if they get perfect A's on all of their tests and know the material that they are being taught.
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