Illuminati does it exist? - General

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[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34054074]Name me one person who was persecuted by the "illuminati" a group that doesn't even exist anymore.[/QUOTE] JFK who died trying to end the Federal Reserve (just like Lincoln who died for the same reason.) Ron Paul is also trying to end the FED, let's see how long he lives if he becomes president. Also, by a group that doesn't even exist anymore I think you mean "a group I believe doesn't exist anymore." Your words contain arrogance and lack authority.

[QUOTE=Holywiremod;34056210]JFK who died trying to end the Federal Reserve[/quote] Lee Harvey Oswald wanted to do something to be remembered by and he had grown to hate his country, and JFK was the figure head. That's why he killed him. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the federal reserve. [quote]just like Lincoln who died for the same reason.[/quote] Federal Reserve established: December 23, 1913 Lincoln's death: April 15, 1865 [quote]Ron Paul is also trying to end the FED, let's see how long he lives if he becomes president.[/quote] Ron Paul won't end the fed, nor will he he be killed. You're paranoid. [quote]Also, by a group that doesn't even exist anymore I think you mean "a group I believe doesn't exist anymore." Your words contain arrogance and lack authority.[/QUOTE] There's no evidence, at all, that the illuminati exist.

[QUOTE=Juice_Layer;34053949]Jay-Z must've converted Beyonce! Fucking pentagrams all over the place! [img]http://www.trendfashionstyle.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Beyonce-Cover-Instyle-Magazine-Edition-September-2011-464x588.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the Devil would shun her.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34056355]Lee Harvey Oswald wanted to do something to be remembered by and he had grown to hate his country, and JFK was the figure head. That's why he killed him. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the federal reserve. Federal Reserve established: December 23, 1913 Lincoln's death: April 15, 1865 Ron Paul won't end the fed, nor will he he be killed. You're paranoid. There's no evidence, at all, that the illuminati exist.[/QUOTE] JFK did indeed try to end the FED. If Lee Harvey Oswald really was part of the Illuminati would he really give his true motive away? I mean really, fame and glory? Sounds like an easy alternative to another motive. Since you are so 'evidence' bound where is your 'evidence' against that claim? It's your word against mine at this point. A battle of pure perception goes no where. Just because you say there is no evidence doesn't mean there isn't any evidence. You can tell your computer screen all day that it isn't real, it will not cease to exist simply because you commanded it to. Again, you words lack authority and are nothing more than belief. Ron Paul is against the federal reserve ever since 1971 when the gold standard got shit on. If he truly is in favor of restoring the constitution then the FED must be changed severely or it has to go. (If you need your evidence, look up his youtube videos.) Also, where is your evidence that Ron Paul won't end the FED nor be killed? In fact, where is your evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow? You don't have evidence that it will yet you still believe it based on probability. Evidence is a skeptic's favorite argument. Skeptic's tend to favor a pure empirical mindset. To doubt completely based on lack off empirical evidence is a extremist fool's game. You should doubt with empirical AND rational thoughts. Where is your logic empiricist? I see none. What I do see is you repeating things that you hear or were told without actually rationalizing it. In addition, there is no precious evidence the people who record history didn't alter it.

[QUOTE=Holywiremod;34056617]JFK did indeed try to end the FED. If Lee Harvey Oswald really was part of the Illuminati would he really give his true motive away? I mean really, fame and glory? Sounds like an easy alternative to another motive. Since you are so 'evidence' bound where is your 'evidence' against that claim? It's your word against mine at this point. A battle of pure perception goes no where. Just because you say there is no evidence doesn't mean there isn't any evidence. You can tell your computer screen all day that it isn't real, it will not cease to exist simply because you commanded it to. Again, you words lack authority and are nothing more than belief. Ron Paul is against the federal reserve ever since 1971 when the gold standard got shit on. If he truly is in favor of restoring the constitution then the FED must be changed severely or it has to go. (If you need your evidence, look up his youtube videos.) Also, where is your evidence that Ron Paul won't end the FED nor be killed? In fact, where is your evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow? You don't have evidence that it will yet you still believe it based on probability. Evidence is a skeptic's favorite argument. Skeptic's tend to favor a pure empirical mindset. To doubt completely based on lack off empirical evidence is a extremist fool's game. You should doubt with empirical AND rational thoughts. Where is your logic empiricist? I see none. What I do see is you repeating things that you hear or were told without actually rationalizing it. In addition, there is no precious evidence the people who record history didn't alter it.[/QUOTE] I love how you just smoothed over the fact you were wrong about Lincoln. Nice.

[QUOTE=ice445;34057365]I love how you just smoothed over the fact you were wrong about Lincoln. Nice.[/QUOTE] To appease ice445, someone I never met before. Governor Goblin, you got me when it comes to Lincoln. I bow down to how gloriously you tore apart my argument and I swear to never bring up that point again. Happy ice?

[QUOTE=Holywiremod;34056617]Also, where is your evidence that Ron Paul won't end the FED nor be killed? In fact, where is your evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow? You don't have evidence that it will yet you still believe it based on probability. Evidence is a skeptic's favorite argument. Skeptic's tend to favor a pure empirical mindset. To doubt completely based on lack off empirical evidence is a extremist fool's game. You should doubt with empirical AND rational thoughts. Where is your logic empiricist? I see none. What I do see is you repeating things that you hear or were told without actually rationalizing it. In addition, there is no precious evidence the people who record history didn't alter it.[/QUOTE] That particular statement I can answer: he won't end the FED because he won't be elected president, he won't be killed because they've supposedly killed people for a lot less (they apparently burned down a house to kill the sister of someone who died in 9/11, she wasn't even a truther. They said that Barry Jennings was killed by the illuminati for being in WTC 7 even though every account he made of that incident only disproves the idea there was a bomb in the building, not to mention he died of natural causes).

Illuminati existed in the past for sure, however I figure the remainder of the society scattered and lost power. Whoever mentions them now is on the same tier as mentioning aliens being in area 51, I can't prove to you that there are no aliens in area 51, but I highly doubt it.

[QUOTE=Holywiremod;34057436]To appease ice445, someone I never met before. Governor Goblin, you got me when it comes to Lincoln. I bow down to how gloriously you tore apart my argument and I swear to never bring up that point again. Happy ice?[/QUOTE] It wasn't a truly serious comment. Also, you're right that Paul is against the Federal Reserve. But you really can't get rid of it. Going back to the gold standard would be impossible/retarded.

[QUOTE=blackfire88;34053172]Well i literally saw two big red signs near where I live that outright said "FREEMASONS". That's it.[/QUOTE] There's a building in my town that says "MASONIC BUILDING" on the side and it has that logo with the G on it. There's also a white sign with the blue G logo on it over one of the doors on the side. Other than that, it's just a jewelry store, furniture store, flower shop, doctors office, and apartments upstairs.

Why do you guys believe it no longer exists, this is bullshit, even CBS news had a report on "Illuminati" not too long ago.

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on the issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all it's horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." - Albert Pike Aug. 15 1871 Who is America trying to go to war with right now? Iran, the Arabic World. Who is at war with who? Israel. It's hard to say that the 'terrorists' are actually the good guys but it's starting to look that way. Funny how easy it is to be manipulated.

It wouldn't surprise me if there are multiple groups thinking of themselves to be the contemporary Illuminati, but generally I don't think we even need a big evil conspiracy to explain certain happenings in the world. I don't believe in the big evil conspiracy (or that all people involved can shut up about it), but it would also be naive to think that power doesn't corrupt and install greed into people, or that politicians never use false flag or other lies to build out their position. But I don't think you need to be part of an evil conspiracy in order to accumulate more and more power in a certain system. If we assume the elimination progress of who gets to be the head of something only leaves us with determined people playing with dirty tricks as well as allowed ones (giving them an edge over completely honest competitors), in that case every head of the system will be like-minded to some degree. Maybe have different methods, but be a similar character in most cases. Share certain traits that allowed them to get this far. Wouldn't surprise me if one of those traits is power greed. So everyone for generations shares a similar goal and can "work together" to achieve it progressively without a big overarching plan. Despite globalization, I think our nations and their leaders are still too different to work together in complete synch. Maybe if China eventually stops remembering the Opium Wars and removes their "defenses against Western culture" and the Europe somehow decides to replace all the individual cultures with a uniform one, maybe then the First World will be similar/like-minded enough to be controlled by a single guy or tight group of people with exactly the same goals. Tho I seriously doubt that as well. Power-greedy don't like sharing power.

[QUOTE=Holywiremod;34056617]JFK did indeed try to end the FED. If Lee Harvey Oswald really was part of the Illuminati would he really give his true motive away? I mean really, fame and glory? Sounds like an easy alternative to another motive. Since you are so 'evidence' bound where is your 'evidence' against that claim? It's your word against mine at this point. A battle of pure perception goes no where. Just because you say there is no evidence doesn't mean there isn't any evidence. You can tell your computer screen all day that it isn't real, it will not cease to exist simply because you commanded it to. Again, you words lack authority and are nothing more than belief. Ron Paul is against the federal reserve ever since 1971 when the gold standard got shit on. If he truly is in favor of restoring the constitution then the FED must be changed severely or it has to go. (If you need your evidence, look up his youtube videos.) Also, where is your evidence that Ron Paul won't end the FED nor be killed? In fact, where is your evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow? You don't have evidence that it will yet you still believe it based on probability. Evidence is a skeptic's favorite argument. Skeptic's tend to favor a pure empirical mindset. To doubt completely based on lack off empirical evidence is a extremist fool's game. You should doubt with empirical AND rational thoughts. Where is your logic empiricist? I see none. What I do see is you repeating things that you hear or were told without actually rationalizing it. In addition, there is no precious evidence the people who record history didn't alter it.[/QUOTE] If the Illuminati was really about killing people who would end the federal reserve, why not have Ron Paul killed now, while he's still less prominent than the president, rather than later, when it would be easy fodder for conspiracy theorists?

[QUOTE=Holywiremod;34060519]"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on the issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion... We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all it's horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. [b]So the Illuminati will "unleash the atheists" and then "absolute atheism" will cause a bloody turmoil? Well then, what I find wrong about this statement is that atheists are independent, you can't put them all into the same category like that. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a deity, that's it. While a lot of atheists may share common views, it is not a belief system nor is it a religion and shouldn't be treated as such. It's like I would say: "let's unleash the people that don't play sports, and let the world suffer from absolute non-sportness"[/b] Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. [b]Now I get it, you're a Christian and the Illuminati is your way of justifying the anti-christ and all that.[/b] This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." - Albert Pike Aug. 15 1871[/QUOTE] And I don't like the way how you called a person arrogant, and then when you were called out on being wrong about Lincoln you yourself acted arrogant about it. Even if Ron Paul is against the FED, this does not mean that he's going to be murdered if he is elected president. I don't even think that he will be elected president at this point, which is sad, really. But tell me, Holywiremod, what makes you believe in the Illuminati with no doubt? How did you come to the conclusion that there must be an evil secret society of satanists trying to establish a new world order?

I'm just glad when I was asked to take the H1N1 flu I said no. Either that or I probably wouldnt be walking right now. [editline]10th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Holywiremod;34060519]"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on the issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all it's horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." - Albert Pike Aug. 15 1871 Who is America trying to go to war with right now? Iran, the Arabic World. Who is at war with who? Israel. It's hard to say that the 'terrorists' are actually the good guys but it's starting to look that way. Funny how easy it is to be manipulated.[/QUOTE] Russia and China For our times....

[QUOTE=Otsegolation;34025074]Do your homework, brainwashed zombies. [url]http://beast1333.com/history[/url] You can't call anyone a fucking idiot except for yourself until you've read that shit. Seriously. And you're condemning yourself to being a worthless slave made of meat and bone if you can't read it all. But if that's who you want to be, do like they want you to do. Wake up, go to work, go to sleep, die.[/QUOTE] After reading the article (The Whole Thing) That Albert Pike guy Basically corrupted everyone from his words.

[QUOTE=Otsegolation;34025074]Do your homework, brainwashed zombies. [url]http://beast1333.com/history[/url] You can't call anyone a fucking idiot except for yourself until you've read that shit. Seriously. And you're condemning yourself to being a worthless slave made of meat and bone if you can't read it all. But if that's who you want to be, do like they want you to do. Wake up, go to work, go to sleep, die.[/QUOTE] I read the whole article, and it seems to shift the responsibility for our "future" from different people. First, it's the American Government producing false-flags, then the Bilderbergers, and finally bankers. I understand their point, and I think that bringing a huge freaking world government onto our heads will be kind of bad (actually, very bad), but in the end this whole Illuminati thing could be a false-flag in itself. Have you ever wondered that?

[QUOTE=Jackald;34853902]The inherent problem with conspiracy theories is that it assumes a competent government. The American government is not.[/QUOTE] Not just a competent government, but a competent worldwide government apparently.

Illuminati does exist. But people exaggerates it. Some people claim they are worshipping to satan. Even if they, the satan does not exist. And they are just psychologically disturbed. There is no difference between priests and them for me. No need to be afraid.

[QUOTE=Megafan;34854908]Not just a competent government, but a competent worldwide government apparently.[/QUOTE] Which is even less likely, if that's even possible.

if you type illuminati backwards and put .com look where it leads you [url]www.itanimulli.com[/url] I found that funny, but I believe there is a hidden hand in what goes on around the world. It may not be as influential as it use to be, but its still there.

The la li lu le lo don't exist

The closest there could be to the illuminati is a couple of rich buisnessmen working together to keep themelves rich. They wouldn't have the rediciulous power that conspiracy nitjobs put out

As far as I know, Illuminati is a secret society that believes in Science(4 elements such wind, fire, water and earth)and the 5th one is dark matter a.k.a Devil to us. They also believe in Transhumanism, transforming a human into robot is possible to them by dark ritual(transforming a person's likeness into the robot). They use a variety of symbols, which they hide in songs lyrics or architecture. An obvious example is Lady Gaga. She's really bizarre, isn't she? Well sometimes, an extreme strangeness has something inside is. The song "Paparazzi", she was actually worshiping Devil, if you reverse the song. Most people think that this is some sort of exaggeration, but to me, it really has something. Oh and what I must mention is they believe the "All Seeing Eye" a.k.a the "Eye of Providence" or "Eye of Horus" which symbolises the eye of evil. The bottom line is, they worship Lucifer, a devil and Lady Gaga is just an Illuminati Puppet. Well, in Islam, devil worshiping is surely Haraam and a major sin.

I am not certain to the extent of the illuminati's presence, however I do know that rich, powerful, and inherited people do get together and do crazy cult shit. Bohemian Grove is my prime example. Why would so many powerful people gather and watch an owl effigy burn? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnb_A9JQkNE&feature=related[/media]

[QUOTE=LuaGuy;34905233]As far as I know, Illuminati is a secret society that believes in Science(4 elements such wind, fire, water and earth)and the 5th one is dark matter a.k.a Devil to us. They also believe in Transhumanism, transforming a human into robot is possible to them by dark ritual(transforming a person's likeness into the robot). They use a variety of symbols, which they hide in songs lyrics or architecture. An obvious example is Lady Gaga. She's really bizarre, isn't she? Well sometimes, an extreme strangeness has something inside is. The song "Paparazzi", she was actually worshiping Devil, if you reverse the song. Most people think that this is some sort of exaggeration, but to me, it really has something. Oh and what I must mention is they believe the "All Seeing Eye" a.k.a the "Eye of Providence" or "Eye of Horus" which symbolises the eye of evil. The bottom line is, they worship Lucifer, a devil and Lady Gaga is just an Illuminati Puppet. Well, in Islam, devil worshiping is surely Haraam and a major sin.[/QUOTE] Provide some form of evidence to support this.

[QUOTE=Cone;32992533]If the Illuminati do exist as a bunch of frumpy dudes in suits trying to make money and do other bad shit, they're A: retarded enough to put clues everywhere, B: not powerful enough to stop the Occupy protests, which essentially amount to sitting down somewhere for a day or two, and C: they can't stop a games company from popularising their name. This should tell you a lot. Seriously, if anything the Illuminati are probably small store owners in comparison to the scale they're meant to be acting on. Dumb, useless, and powerless. They're hardly a new world order.[/QUOTE] I know this is an old post and I'm not saying that the Illuminati exist or anything, but haven't you ever heard of the Streisand effect? If an Illuminati did exist, they'd only be attracting more attention to themselves by attempting to shut down things that expose them. And I really doubt that they'd seriously put around imagery and symbolism that pertains to them. Best way to control people would be through mass media and instigation (Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Pearl Harbor "surprise" invasion, Lusitania sinking, after each of these incidents the American mass's support for war skyrocketed [war is what the U.S. wanted], the U.S. didn't cause these incidents but it sure as hell could have prevented them), and the best way to control people with power would be money.

[QUOTE=Otsegolation;34025074]Do your homework, brainwashed zombies. [url]http://beast1333.com/history[/url] You can't call anyone a fucking idiot except for yourself until you've read that shit. Seriously. And you're condemning yourself to being a worthless slave made of meat and bone if you can't read it all. But if that's who you want to be, do like they want you to do. Wake up, go to work, go to sleep, die.[/QUOTE] I started reading (well, skimming over) this, and I felt cheated out of a good five minutes as soon as I hit the part where they mention DU weapons, chemtrails, and GMO foods being part of a population reduction plan seriously, you've got to be pretty goddamn stupid to buy into any of this.