Illuminati does it exist? - General

If the illuminati exist, they have probably gone the way of the freemasons. Little more than a glorified Gentlemans club. Heck some of my relative were freemasons, they left because it was "boring".

They are absolutely real, because Alex Jones said so!

It probably does in one way or shape, but I doubt it's anywhere near powerful enough to control whole governments. That's really just tinfoil-hat conspiracies. The 'evidence' I usually see just seems like coincidences.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34905463]I am not certain to the extent of the illuminati's presence, however I do know that rich, powerful, and inherited people do get together and do crazy cult shit. Bohemian Grove is my prime example. Why would so many powerful people gather and watch an owl effigy burn? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnb_A9JQkNE&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] You can actually make that out as them burning an owl, or it being powerful people, or the Illuminati? Do you work for the CSI?

[QUOTE=G-Guy;34905904]I know this is an old post and I'm not saying that the Illuminati exist or anything, but haven't you ever heard of the Streisand effect? If an Illuminati did exist, they'd only be attracting more attention to themselves by attempting to shut down things that expose them. And I really doubt that they'd seriously put around imagery and symbolism that pertains to them. Best way to control people would be through mass media and instigation (Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Pearl Harbor "surprise" invasion, [b]Lusitania sinking,[/b] after each of these incidents the American mass's support for war skyrocketed [b][war is what the U.S. wanted], the U.S. didn't cause these incidents but it sure as hell could have prevented them)[/b], and the best way to control people with power would be money.[/QUOTE] Not really with that one. [editline]29th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sector 7;34906087]I started reading (well, skimming over) this, and I felt cheated out of a good five minutes as soon as I hit the part where they mention DU weapons, chemtrails, and GMO foods being part of a population reduction plan seriously, you've got to be pretty goddamn stupid to buy into any of this.[/QUOTE] Or just hyper paranoid. some people like to imagine they're being persecuted.

Whenever something bad happens, just blame the Illuminati. "My Sister just died" The Illuminati strike again "My Sandwich is gone" How could they! "Somebody stole my unusual!" Illuminati ofc. But in my honest opinion I think the Illuminati is just a conspiracy theory. and the only people who believe this are either Brain Dead or Sarah Palin. As for the symbols and "SIGNS" etc... It's pure coincidence Think about this for a moment... If these guys really were sporting nuclear weapons, biological weapons and such, somebody besides a crazy old cook with a tinfoil hat might have noticed?

[QUOTE=J!NX;32997113]From what I've seen, people believe the Illuminati are satanists trying to destroy the world. Even if a secret society exists, the morals and ideals are going to differentiate from other SS's. There could be thousands of SS's, but calling it "the illuminati" is insulting because "The" implies that there's only one. SS's I agree are real, however, far different from what the mainstream media calls them, a Secret society in my eyes is simply a group that just happens to be private and has a name, and a goal, nothing more or less, that's all they are. The Illuminati as an idea itself is just insane.[/QUOTE] But what about this? [video=youtube;HRyVCgcNMT0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRyVCgcNMT0&feature=related[/video]

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;34927374]But what about this? [video=youtube;HRyVCgcNMT0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRyVCgcNMT0&feature=related[/video][/QUOTE] Even if that is true, I have no idea what it has to do with the Illuminati. If it is true, that means that they're putting in as a tribute most likely that or some sick-o is designing money nowadays. My stands on the Illuminati are not changed. I still think it's a bunch of hoey.

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;34927374]But what about this? [video=youtube;HRyVCgcNMT0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRyVCgcNMT0&feature=related[/video][/QUOTE] Pure fucking coincidence. Half of that doesn't even look remotely like what they think it does. It anything they are purposefully manipulating the dollar to match what they want to see. Especially that "OSAMA" bit, which is pure retardation.

Ask yourself: If you were a secret society able to control entire nations, would you really be stupid enough to put evidence of your existence (which it isn't anyway) on money?

because it isnt a secret society anymore , 200 years ago it was

Because even if we do find them out, we cant do fuck all with our current form of economic slavery. Don't like it? Become a bum. Money flows like dust in the wind, and the only people really benefiting are the elite.

Rumor is, Illuminati helped Hitler rise to power and staged the 1933 Reichstag fire.

[QUOTE=bluebeam9001;32990346]Tell me the Illuminati's logo is coincidently on the 1 dollar bill: [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-58qbYvPqGI8/TZaSymGY6bI/AAAAAAAAE_M/gXZTW7ozQx0/s1600/illuminati-dollar-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/dollar_bill_showing_new_world_order.gif[/img][/QUOTE] All the shit on the dollar bill is referencing the Declaration of Independence and the United States in general. 13 original colonies. 1776 the year the Declaration of Independence was signed. Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum means Birth of a New Nation. The eye is referencing to Christianity(One nation under god)(and so is In God We Trust obviously). The pyramid is referencing to the checks and balances, the 3 powers that govern United States (Executive, Judicial, legislative) and the 13 layers of brick or colonies that helped build it.

[QUOTE=LuaGuy;34905233]As far as I know, Illuminati is a secret society that believes in Science(4 elements such wind, fire, water and earth)and the 5th one is dark matter a.k.a Devil to us. They also believe in Transhumanism, transforming a human into robot is possible to them by dark ritual(transforming a person's likeness into the robot). They use a variety of symbols, which they hide in songs lyrics or architecture. An obvious example is Lady Gaga. She's really bizarre, isn't she? Well sometimes, an extreme strangeness has something inside is. The song "Paparazzi", she was actually worshiping Devil, if you reverse the song. Most people think that this is some sort of exaggeration, but to me, it really has something. Oh and what I must mention is they believe the "All Seeing Eye" a.k.a the "Eye of Providence" or "Eye of Horus" which symbolises the eye of evil. The bottom line is, they worship Lucifer, a devil and Lady Gaga is just an Illuminati Puppet. Well, in Islam, devil worshiping is surely Haraam and a major sin.[/QUOTE] Uh, do you just get really high and then make stuff up about the Illuminati or do you actually have proof?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34905463] Bohemian Grove is my prime example. Why would so many powerful people gather and watch an owl effigy burn?[/QUOTE] Because it's a play.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;32996948]I think it's important to understand the underlying historical truth behind the theory before you start bashing it to pieces with "ITS CRAZY AND IMPOSSIBLE HAHA YOURE A NUT". Obviously it's nothing more than a theory, there's no evidence pointing to the Illuminati even continuing to exist, let alone controlling major political figures in modern politics, but I think you should at least be fair and come from a rational and understanding point of view before you try to disprove any theories, no matter how crazy. If people, both theorists and skeptics alike, did more actual RESEARCH into the topics they were either promoting or bashing, they'd have an understanding that there is a hint of truth to every theory, but in most cases, they just aren't plausible in the slightest. For example, yes, there are plenty of masonic symbols floating around United States buildings, documents, and our money as well. And yes, many influential people in the founding of our country were notable freemasons. Does this mean they were trying to take over the world? No. But it does mean that they were involved in secret societies, and it's interesting to actually research these societies and come to your own conclusion, rather than bashing a theory just because there are crazy proponents of it.[/QUOTE] This. But also, I wouldn't rule out secret societies' intent to control. They may not be perfect in their control, but they do try. Why else would practically every politician and philosopher be associated with these clubs? One can get a grasp of how a larger scoped crime syndicate or secret society would function by taking a look at common mafias. Mafias are a real-world practical example of how these things exist on small scales. [QUOTE=DOG-GY;33163252]spirituality is placebo enlightenment is so vague why even bother trying to define it oob is the largest placebo shit i have ever heard of dont start[/QUOTE] I find spirituality is a humble form of acknowledging 'natural law'. Because spirituality is composed of finding deep meaning within systems, there's the implication that there exists meaning (order in chaos) in our universe. Given what I know of Fractal Mathematics (and 'Sacred Geometry'), and the fact that true randomness can't even be replicated on procedural systems (computers), there's a strong indication that nothing is random in our universe, and that everything is guided through complex systems ('butterfly effect'). Of course this is contested by those that say there's free will, and I will note that quantum spookiness is the only place in 'natural law' where randomness might truly exist, and even then I recall reading an article trying to account for quantum probabilities using fractal mathematics. Enlightenment is simply the process of gaining knowledge and wisdom, and traversing through the varying levels of new understandings (epiphanies) given old information, which tends to happen as one ages. As irrational as it may seem, I have first-hand experience that would say OOB is no joke. Strong first-hand experience trumps all, as it's the only way I'm able to find certainty in things. You may disbelieve in it but it's completely relevant to my personal decision-making given that I know it's true. I have an external witness. Also, I feel my OOB experience was related to encounters with a shadow person, which many have seen, called the 'hat man'. Both my brother and I saw this figure pass by when we were looking out into a hallway through a door from our room. Given how irrational the experience may seem, one has to remember the irrationality embedded throughout all matter and energy in our universe (quantum mechanics), and I'm a strong believer in the laws of the universe, or 'natural law'.