[QUOTE=R3N3GADE;33383444]why is this debate still being had, it's utterly ridiculous[/QUOTE]
Because there is definitely something here. It's probably not a giant conspiracy, just shared symbolism or even the remains of a cult, but it's eerie. Like when you see a van bearing this outside a bank:
[img]http://www.ellsworthsystems.com/Products/PDFsandImages/Logos/Loomis_Logo.gif[/img]
:v:
[QUOTE=Catdaemon;33385307]Because there is definitely something here. It's probably not a giant conspiracy, just shared symbolism or even the remains of a cult, but it's eerie. Like when you see a van bearing this outside a bank:
[img]http://www.ellsworthsystems.com/Products/PDFsandImages/Logos/Loomis_Logo.gif[/img]
:v:[/QUOTE]
Yes there is alot of occult symbolism in movies, games and media related sub-categories.
[IMG]http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/TheLurg/illuminatisymbolismbatmanreturns.jpg[/IMG]
(From: Batman Returns. 1992 Live Action Film.)
[QUOTE=Orz;33382124]Your ''credible sources'' are a laughable joke. Alex Jones is a fraud, a backhanded snake in the grass getting payed overtime to confuse you which he does remarkably well i might add.[/QUOTE]
uhm i dont get my information from alex jones.. perhaps only about the bohemian grove but thats it
[QUOTE=Knuffelbeer;33401869]uhm i dont get my information from alex jones.. perhaps only about the bohemian grove but thats it[/QUOTE]
Scam artists aside.
You really should add more content to the discussion, to fire up a good debate. Like for example very well sorted thought inducing strickenly material.
[video=youtube;Mb-wNiBdDqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb-wNiBdDqM[/video]
Also the television show yu-gi-oh had some blatant symbolism in it as well which funny no one really noticed.
[IMG]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/b/bb/MilleniumPuzzle.jpg[/IMG]
People dont realize how strong and powerful the influence of the media is on individual mentality, just think about it for a moment they influence you what to wear. ''Fashion'' for example whats hot and whats not to get you to fit into their socially repetitive category then you lose all your originality. Also peer pressure its extremely powerful and can influence children to do the most inane of activities to feel socially accepted that mentality is very manipulative.
[QUOTE=Orz;33406392]Scam artists aside.
You really should add more content to the discussion, to fire up a good debate. Like for example very well sorted thought inducing strickenly material.
Also the television show yu-gi-oh had some blatant symbolism in it as well which funny no one really noticed.
[IMG]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/b/bb/MilleniumPuzzle.jpg[/IMG]
People dont realize how strong and powerful the influence of the media is on individual mentality, just think about it for a moment they influence you what to wear. ''Fashion'' for example whats hot and whats not to get you to fit into their socially repetitive category then you lose all your originality. Also peer pressure its extremely powerful and can influence children to do the most inane of activities to feel socially accepted that mentality is very manipulative.[/QUOTE]
It's an egyptian pyramid with an egyptian eye, that's not 'symbolism' that's just referencing the Egyptians for christs sake
[QUOTE=Orz;33406392]Scam artists aside.
You really should add more content to the discussion, to fire up a good debate. Like for example very well sorted thought inducing strickenly material.
[video=youtube;Mb-wNiBdDqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb-wNiBdDqM[/video]
Also the television show yu-gi-oh had some blatant symbolism in it as well which funny no one really noticed.
[IMG]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/b/bb/MilleniumPuzzle.jpg[/IMG]
People dont realize how strong and powerful the influence of the media is on individual mentality, just think about it for a moment they influence you what to wear. ''Fashion'' for example whats hot and whats not to get you to fit into their socially repetitive category then you lose all your originality. Also peer pressure its extremely powerful and can influence children to do the most inane of activities to feel socially accepted that mentality is very manipulative.[/QUOTE]I urge you to look up "Eye of Horus".
[QUOTE=sergeant deade;33408084]I urge you to look up "Eye of Horus".[/QUOTE]
And i suggest you look up ''Eye Of Providence''.
There are are slight differences between the symbols. The Eye Of Providence is encased in a triangle shape. The Eye Of Horus is not.
[QUOTE=Orz;33408301]And i suggest you look up ''Eye Of Providence''.
There are are slight differences between the symbols. The Eye Of Providence is encased in a triangle shape. The Eye Of Horus is not.[/QUOTE]
except the eye of providence doesn't haven't the lines beneath it like the eye of Horus, and the pyramid is the wrong way around so it still looks waaay more similar to a reference to egyptian culture than anything else.
in the words of Freud 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar'
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33408365]except the eye of providence doesn't haven't the lines beneath it like the eye of Horus, and the pyramid is the wrong way around so it still looks waaay more similar to a reference to egyptian culture than anything else.
in the words of Freud 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar'[/QUOTE]
It shares both characteristics of each linear symbols. If it isn't a ''symbol'' as you claimed before then what is it? Also the eye is facing right meaning it is The Eye Of Ra representing the sun. The Eye Of Ra is certainly a symbol. And of course The Eye Of Providence correlates to this.
[QUOTE=Orz;33409149]It shares both characteristics of each linear symbols. If it isn't a ''symbol'' as you claimed before then what is it? Also the eye is facing right meaning it is The Eye Of Ra representing the sun. The Eye Of Ra is certainly a symbol. And of course The Eye Of Providence correlates to this.[/QUOTE]
It is a symbol, but I don't think it's in any way a symbol symbolising what you think it does. That Freud quote describes my feelings exactly. There are a lot of references to egyptian culture in Yu Gi Oh, so by any logical relation the pendant thing is literally just an egyptian pendant thing. Seriously the concept of an all seeing eye is present in so many various religions and cultures, and the Freemasons hadn't adopted the eye as a symbol until after it had been used on the dollar bill, so I find all these relations to be severely tenuous and riddled with holes
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33409280]It is a symbol, but I don't think it's in any way a symbol symbolising what you think it does. That Freud quote describes my feelings exactly. There are a lot of references to egyptian culture in Yu Gi Oh, so by any logical relation the pendant thing is literally just an egyptian pendant thing. Seriously the concept of an all seeing eye is present in so many various religions and cultures, and the Freemasons hadn't adopted the eye as a symbol until after it had been used on the dollar bill, so I find all these relations to be severely tenuous and riddled with holes[/QUOTE]
Good point, but the thing is. The complexity of your certitude is not well balanced, have you asked yourself why there is a pyramid on the dollar bill? Where did it come from of course it did not just magically appear out of nowhere. The origins of the symbol is what interests me. Of course you know the study of symbology which in all symbols represent a certain degree of conception and philosophy in regarding of the perpetual meaning. Of course their symbolism gives them power. Of course with all the media usage of it is kind of strange in itself.
[QUOTE=Orz;33409445]Good point, but the thing is. The complexity of your certitude is not well balanced, have you asked yourself why there is a pyramid on the dollar bill? Where did it come from of course it did not just magically appear out of nowhere. The origins of the symbol is what interests me. Of course you know the study of symbology which in all symbols represent a certain degree of conception and philosophy in regarding of the perpetual meaning. Of course their symbolism gives them power. Of course with all the media usage of it is kind of strange in itself.[/QUOTE]
my reasoning is that the founding fathers were Deists, so they believed there was a god but they didn't have a concrete denominational religious belief. They wanted to profess the idea that they were doing what was right in the eye of god, and the all seeing eye of providence is commonly used in various cultures and religions to represent the omniscience of a deity. The little motto bit above it means 'he approves our undertakings', almost a precursor the ideology of manifest destiny, whilst the bit at the bottom means 'new order of the ages' which adds to the one at the top implying that the newly discovered land of America would be a place that flourished in years to come. That's my opinion on it at least
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33409555]my reasoning is that the founding fathers were Deists, so they believed there was a god but they didn't have a concrete denominational religious belief. They wanted to profess the idea that they were doing what was right in the eye of god, and the all seeing eye of providence is commonly used in various cultures and religions to represent the omniscience of a deity. The little motto bit above it means 'he approves our undertakings', almost a precursor the ideology of manifest destiny, whilst the bit at the bottom means 'new order of the ages' which adds to the one at the top implying that the newly discovered land of America would be a place that flourished in years to come. That's my opinion on it at least[/QUOTE]
But you are aware that the illuminati did exist for a time, they do have bloodlines which extend into many different ranges and regions. Ask yourself this money a tool of slavery. But back then we didnt need society to survive we could hunt, stabilize for ourselves. Society is the heart of mass production with labor. If you think about it enough you would realize people will do anything for money you name it. Kill, steal and risk their lives to obtain which is what is nessecary (In their determinations) for survival. Most Americans couldnt survive on their on without fast food, or grocery stores providing them. I have noticed The American Educational System has been failing recently. The media also covers the most incessant stories when they could be covering more important factors which play in sectors of this planet. They care more about a child prima donna then they do starving african children. You cannot deny the distractions such as celebrities. And gossip talk they treat their celebrities like gods when they are just ordinary individuals.
[QUOTE=Orz;33410460]But you are aware that the illuminati did exist for a time, they do have bloodlines which extend into many different ranges and regions. Ask yourself this money a tool of slavery. But back then we didnt need society to survive we could hunt, stabilize for ourselves. Society is the heart of mass production with labor. If you think about it enough you would realize people will do anything for money you name it. Kill, steal and risk their lives to obtain which is what is nessecary (In their determinations) for survival. Most Americans couldnt survive on their on without fast food, or grocery stores providing them. I have noticed The American Educational System has been failing recently. The media also covers the most incessant stories when they could be covering more important factors which play in sectors of this planet. They care more about a child prima donna then they do starving african children. You cannot deny the distractions such as celebrities. And gossip talk they treat their celebrities like gods when they are just ordinary individuals.[/QUOTE]
when the Illuminati did exist and we could prove it, they were just a group of enlightenment freethinkers that had a fraternal organisation to protect their interests. Nothing else you said points explicitly towards a new illuminati, it just points toward severe levels of corruption in government and corporate interest. I'm not denying that the world is a fucked up place, I'm just saying all this secret society stuff seems far too elaborate. Like I said in my first post in the thread, it's the zebra/horse thing. You hear hooves behind you, and until you turn around to see what it is you assume it's a horse, not a zebra
The Illuminati are such a secret organization, that's why they leave clues and hidden messages FUCKING [B]EVERYWHERE[/B].
The question is: Does the Illuminati merely exist because we think it exists?
If you were to ask me that is.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;33414989]The Illuminati are such a secret organization, that's why they leave clues and hidden messages FUCKING [B]EVERYWHERE[/B].[/QUOTE]
lol omg another one? maby learn how to read a thread? those arent clues it are subliminal messages it is meant for our subconscious
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;33168189]Here's a nice cartoon to tell you how things really are (its really colorful I think you'll enjoy it)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for that. Showing it to my Sociology and Economics teachers to see what they think. Will edit in the general reaction I get.
[QUOTE=Knuffelbeer;33401869]uhm i dont get my information from alex jones.. perhaps only about the bohemian grove but thats it[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That may be what he's least accurate about. Except the whole "ripping kids' eyes out with pliers" bit.
The only people I hear talk about Illuminati are the blacks and mexicans in school that hear it from songs.
Shit's real annoying lol
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33414947]when the Illuminati did exist and we could prove it, they were just a group of enlightenment freethinkers that had a fraternal organisation to protect their interests. Nothing else you said points explicitly towards a new illuminati, it just points toward severe levels of corruption in government and corporate interest. I'm not denying that the world is a fucked up place, I'm just saying all this secret society stuff seems far too elaborate. Like I said in my first post in the thread, it's the zebra/horse thing. You hear hooves behind you, and until you turn around to see what it is you assume it's a horse, not a zebra[/QUOTE]
Fact is stranger than fiction, but what exactly were they trying to protect and what personal interests are you babbling about? Their interests could stem to alot of profitable gain. It is not the illuminati but the blood-lines. The successors, not the cult itself. You cannot deny that money can influence anyone, and anything. Ask yourself what does the entire world circle around? Economical values. This happens when you think fairly too little, when you just suspect that this little annoyance is nothing then it grows to be far greater threat than you could possibly imagine. It is not paranoia, but sometimes paranoia saves lifes. You can never be too sure.
Assassins creed is interesting though. My twist of this is, Illuminati is actually "THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE" They actually control everything, Obama is simply a puppet.
A good handful of my friends are into the whole Illuminati (Or NWO) thing, now they're not obsessed like so many others but it's a repeat conversational topic. There simply can't be a secret society so huge with so much power that can keep itself a secret. The problem with these conspiracy theories is that you have to assume the world governments are competent, and that they can keep a secret.
Shit doesn't work that way, with tools like television, radio (be it AM/FM, HAM, or satellite), phones and the internet, information (especially controversial information) spreads like wildfire. Then you take into account things like the Streisand effect, attempting to cover it up is completely futile. By the time they find out somebody knows about it, he/she has already told someone or documented it for everyone to see. On top of that, politicians are not super-geniuses, they're often no smarter than you or me. (arguably less so)
In short: This will never happen, at least not in our lifetimes.
Polykatana wrote up a [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1094817?p=30490846&viewfull=1#post30490846]pretty damn good post[/url] about conspiracy theories in general, and i wholly agree.
Lets take it all the Way to 2033
if you ain't heard of Me Im Beast 1333 they wanna Murder Me
after the Government fell in 2012
The states of America turned into a Hell
we all fell for the Spells With the people in a Panic
on December 21st the Comet Hit up the Atlantic
The wave became Gigantic and Swallowed up the Landmasses
Many thought it was Apocalypse on they Damn Asses
3/4 of the People on the Planet Died
and a Handfull in Underground Bunkers survived
So its
6,775,000,00 Minus 3/4 equals a whole lot of your Siblings
Left surface Temperature Sizzling
and Evaporated everything on the Surface including Buildings
For the people that Survived
when the Comet came to Murk us
It was another 13 years before They Ever Reached the Surface
when they Finally got Outside
It was 2025
it was 67,000 people Glad to be Alive
I could not believe my Eyes let me tell you what I seen
It was Like Octopuses, Tentacles , but these Things were Machines
(Ay yo You Breaking Up)
Yo theres a Hole in the Continuum
when the Rock hit it knocked earth off its Equilibrium
And the Motherfucker didn't Hit the Planet Just by Accident
the Internet was Sentient It took Control attracted it
(What you Mean Attracted it?)
magnetically it Charged the Poles
Attracting a Magnetic Meteorite that Will smash the Globe
(I cant believe it)
Well you better start Believing
i'm Not Reaching across time For No Reason
(what you Trying to tell me that we all Gonna Die?!)
Not you them 7 billion Other Mother Guys
If you want to stay Alive
do Exactly what you Been Do Codex Alimentarius
Killed a Billion Hindus
thats Really not the Issue though
Refuse they New Technologies
spread the News and Whistle blow
And spread it through Society
and all Im asking is that you go and Alert the Masses
Remember the movie They Live?
when they made them Put on Glasses?
But this time the Glasses are Masses of Information
on December 21st Everyone to they Battle Stations
The thing thats Gonna Hit us is Gonna have a Negative Charge
So the Positive Charge on the Missiles we Send should be Large
that wont Blow it out the Stars That will Break them down Shards
to Try and Lessen the Impact
As giant pieces Fall in Yards
(Static)
(Im losing the Signal Again!)
Theres only one More thing Ima leave you Wit my Friend
the Internet a Consciousness
A virtual Living Awareness
that will be the Doom of the planet If our People Stay Careless
keep Transmissions Airless
And disconnect your Wireless
spread it like a Plague
And call it Codename Annihilus
the Wifi and 3G's Believe me Avoid the Mess
and the Global Positioning systems on your GPS
Digitized Cordless Telecommunications
directional Antennaes Removed from all Nations
Theirs no time for Patience
(Static)
Im Losing Em
Tell them to Logout and Stop Using Them!
whats that from?
durrrr, ofquarse lumiaytee exeest, u no playered deeoux eyx?
If the Illuminati exist, they sure as hell couldn't manage every single aspect of the world. There's no way they could also pull of a coup d'etat on the governments of the world either. I just can't see how a council of a few could even manage a entire fucking planet. The number of our leaders as it is can barely managed a lot of the world's problems.
Corporations basically own the world, yes, but they don't need to give themselves a fancy name. They just influence global politics in their favour, they're not some sort of elite society pulling the strings of every government in the world. They don't NEED to be.
There is a lot of shady shit going on behind the scenes that people don't know of and can't understand, such as different political games. The Illuminati is just people trying to explain something that they don't understand. There is no secret society of government officials and people from the media controlling the world. However, our governments and the media still do control the world and influence the way we think. They don't fully control it, of course, but imagine how little freedom we actually have. We are all connected to different databases. Our entire history is available to the higher ups by just typing in our names into one of those databases. We are under surveillance, and we are dependent on money given to us by our governments. While we can express our thoughts publically and think freely, we are still heavily restricted by our governments and the media. This is the way the world works, and it will only get worse.
Interesting but, BULLSHIT!
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