Canadians, Brits, Frenchies, are you happy with your respective healthcare systems?
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[QUOTE=Luke510;19345610]Surely they would get rid of the systems if they did not like it.[/QUOTE]
Cant say that about america...
My bro once cut his head open and had to wait 4 hours. When I was little I broke my nose and waited 2 hours. Stupid Canadian health care system.
[QUOTE=Ragy;19352994]The new health care system Obama is proposing is gonna screw us up so much. It will tax the rich and give to the poor. Why should I have to pay for the guy who is on drugs, lives on the street, or is too lazy to get a job. Just because someone did well and worked hard to earn his money means we should give it to the ones who did not? Completely stupid.[/QUOTE]
Think before you post, what the hell do you think happens to an inmate if they're diagnosed with cancer?
Guantanamo Bay inmates get access to free, quality healthcare. That's way more than average American citizens get.
They're treated, free of charge.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;19363392]Quebec definitely stands out in Canada for being a shitty province all around. I should know, I live there.
Though $7 a day daycare is pretty awesome.
BTW, [b]Canada does NOT cover dental, AT ALL.[/b] Shit sucks.[/QUOTE]
Insurance.
Didn't notice I double posted sorry :saddowns:
I don't really mind it. But its true that the waiting times can be really really long.
btw I'm Canadian
Yes, yes I am.
When you have a large-ish complaint/injury the service is very good in Britain (broken arm, car crash, cancer, etc.). It's very low-level stuff that has long waiting lists (skin complaints etc)
[QUOTE=Feuver;19362746]The wait in Quebec is horrible.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this too.
When I was maybe 9 years old, I broke my forehead open and needed stitches. So we went to the hospital, and I waited 10 fucking hours before they did anything.
It all worked out though, I didn't have to go to school the next day :)
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When I was maybe 9 years old, I broke my forehead open and needed stitches. So we went to the hospital, and I waited 10 fucking hours before they did anything.
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You should have went to a clinic instead. I had a dislocated shoulder once, but didn't want to wait so I walked over to the clinic (it was across the street from the hospital) and got one of the nurses there to fix it.
They're more than capable of handling simple stuff. Most of them are practically doctors these days.
I'm pretty damn chuffed. If it weren't for the NHS, I wouldn't be here right now. A month in hospital and a year of taking 9 tablets a day. All worth it.
Hey! What about Denmark? :O
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Just posting this because it's awesome and somewhat relevant to the thread.
Hows aboot we canadians care aboot it areselves eh?
Any american who still supports our current system and has seen the damage it has done while continuing to argue...
F U C K --- Y O U
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[QUOTE=piranhamatt2;19385198]Hows aboot we canadians care aboot it areselves eh?[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you had a stroke there, good thing you didn't have to pay for treatment.
Over here you do have to wait a long time, but I've never needed to go to the hospital for anything serious. I know that a friend of mine missed the bread and chopped into his own hand and had to wait for a few hours with blood all over the place, they just gave him a big bandage/towel thing to cover the wound with while he bled. He said he went all feint before they did anything about it. But, he didn't die, so I guess it wasn't SO bad.
The NHS is great, I'd hate to live anywhere like America.
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;19386237]Over here you do have to wait a long time, but I've never needed to go to the hospital for anything serious. I know that a friend of mine missed the bread and chopped into his own hand and had to wait for a few hours with blood all over the place, they just gave him a big bandage/towel thing to cover the wound with while he bled. He said he went all feint before they did anything about it. But, he didn't die, so I guess it wasn't SO bad.[/QUOTE]
It's triaged. You could be bleeding all over, but if someone's having a heart attack they'll get the attention first. It makes more sense to treat the people who need it first, instead of treating the people with the best insurance first.
For England:
[b]Waiting times:[/b]
Varies. If you've come into A&E with something relatively minor of your own accord (say, needing a few minor stitches after getting hammered on a Friday night), it might take a while. If you get brought in by one of the generally rather efficient ambulance crews with something serious, you get seen to quickly. They were fast enough to get my dad into a hospital bed before he had a heart attack, which was definitely a good thing.
[b]Cost:[/b]
Private healthcare isn't? You have to pay for treatment somehow, it's simply whether you're paying your government or a private company. Frankly, seeing as the English government don't charge more for having a predisposition to a particular ailment, I'd plump for the NHS any day.
[b]Undermotivated doctors:[/b]
Bullshit. I don't know what it's like in the states, but most doctors and nurses I've met aren't in it for the money. They were there, as clichéd as it sounds, to help people.
[b]They'll never work:[/b]
Maybe not in terms of profit. In terms of giving everyone treatment, whether rich or poor, they do. My family isn't rich, not by a long shot; I'm pretty sure that if it weren't for the NHS, both my parents would be dead and myself in quite significant pain. That, or we'd be a lot poorer. And I'm not the only one. Anyone who complains about their tax dollars having to pay for a "socialist" system needs a serious reality check when a large portion of their nation can't afford basic healthcare.
I don't know where this "underpaid doctors" rumour comes from. So they make $150k a year instead of $250k. Once you're pulling down six figures, you're doing damn good.
NHS doctors make a lot of money, it might sound low compared to the American doctors but England is very different in lifestyle, that's not to be forgotten.
[QUOTE=SantanaDVX;19345541]I live in the south and I've heard a lot of anti-healthcare reform statements from my right-winged neighbors and friends.
They claim that the nationalized Canadian, French, and British healthcare systems are crap, and have no hope in hell of ever working.
Some commonly heard comments are:
"Emergency room patients under national healthcare systems have to wait for HOURS to receive treatment."
"The countries can barely afford the system they run, and are taxing the living hell out of the citizens."
"Doctors that work in these systems are underpayed, and are therefore not motivated to do well in their work."
etc...
Basically, they portray nationalized healthcare to be inefficient, weak, and generally hopeless.
So, I want to know how valid these comments are from any Canadian, British, French, or any other citizen of a nation with nationalized healthcare who is willing to share.
Do you feel comfortable with your systems?[/QUOTE]
What is it like living in the south? How many? Who does "they" refer to? Some may commonly heard comments are Emergency room patients under national healthcare systems have to wait for HOURS to receive treatment, but not all. Who told you that? Are all Doctors that work in these systems underpayed and are therefore not motivated to do well in their work? Oh, you are a poet. How interesting. The anonymous "they". Dude! I am not sure if I can quantify the answer.
[QUOTE=Askaris;19386425]For England:
[b]Waiting times:[/b]
Varies. If you've come into A&E with something relatively minor of your own accord (say, needing a few minor stitches after getting hammered on a Friday night), it might take a while. If you get brought in by one of the generally rather efficient ambulance crews with something serious, you get seen to quickly. They were fast enough to get my dad into a hospital bed before he had a heart attack, which was definitely a good thing.
[b]Cost:[/b]
Private healthcare isn't? You have to pay for treatment somehow, it's simply whether you're paying your government or a private company. Frankly, seeing as the English government don't charge more for having a predisposition to a particular ailment, I'd plump for the NHS any day.
[b]Undermotivated doctors:[/b]
[b]Bullshit. I don't know what it's like in the states, but most doctors and nurses I've met aren't in it for the money. They were there, as clichéd as it sounds, to help people.[/b]
[b]They'll never work:[/b]
Maybe not in terms of profit. In terms of giving everyone treatment, whether rich or poor, they do. My family isn't rich, not by a long shot; I'm pretty sure that if it weren't for the NHS, both my parents would be dead and myself in quite significant pain. That, or we'd be a lot poorer. And I'm not the only one. Anyone who complains about their tax dollars having to pay for a "socialist" system needs a serious reality check when a large portion of their nation can't afford basic healthcare.[/QUOTE]
You obviously don't know what it's like in the states.
Anyways, if everything went well, I would prefer the NHS since I'm not one to get injured often, but many peoples fears are that our government doesn't have a clue about running a healthcare system and would just make things much worse. Also, I would much rather see this be implemented AFTER we are out of the recession since switching to the other would hurt the economy, at least temporarily.
It's pretty sad that a leading superpower is so backwards, but hey at least we have huge military spending so fuck you, rest of world.
I had to go to hospital for around a month when I was younger to have an abscess removed from my neck.
At the time I was very young and didn't really know it was serious, however I can remember the doctors being nice, the nurses being nice.
They had a sega, that was a bonus.
From my experience the NHS has been good, while I can't say I've never had any emergencies and had to go to the A&E...
... actually apparently I got my eyelid stuck on a bird cage and needed an ambulance but I can't remember that.
But yeah it's been good.
I also think people are focusing a bit much on just the emergency treatment, with the NHS we also get free GP checkups, jabs/injections, dental care (to a certain age; bracers), health advice (such as the "Stop Smoking" campaign), condoms and more.
You can put a price on life, but you shouldn't.
Just my two pennies.
Prescriptions are free if you're in education as well in The United Kingdom :)
I think we've got it pretty good here in Canada.
I'm 19 and have had no real experience with what goes on in a medical emergency. I got stitches when I was like 13 and there wasn't any hassle or anything, quick trip to the hospital, in and out.
Canadian by the way.
sup
free health care uk
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