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Wow. That lady was freaking out. It was very petty. I don't know exactly the laws in the UK but I know in the US a lot of that would be unconstitutional and violating our rights. But it wasn't so serious.
England doesn't KNOW crime. The US has it bad especially with the gangs.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29871947]Being a jackass isn't against the law and if you get a "beatdown" for being rude it's time to lawyer up[/QUOTE]
right
[QUOTE=Evil Policeman;29852876]I live in a city with very little crime. So I never really see the cops.
Fun fact, my city's population is only 8% Black according to the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Cucamonga,_California#Demographics]census.[/url][/QUOTE]
2010 Census for Detroit, My city: 82.69% Black :smug:
A tactic a lot of cops have in a city near by is to pull over cars and tell them that they have a tail light out (when they don't), and this is only to check for alcohol on their breath or something else (like the smell of marijuana). Happened to a few people where I worked.
[QUOTE=Dr. Strangelove;29872487]Fuck the police[/QUOTE]
No, fuck the OVERLY LAX JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT CREATES A CLIMATE LITTLE OR NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE ACTIONS OF police.
In high school we have this cop that is p. taser happy
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;29862197]It seems to me, that a LOT of these stories are made up. Come on, a cop shooting someone in the head for not pulling over? That's a load of bullshit. That's completely against jurisdiction, and would basically land the cop in jail. Unless it was somewhere like, Iran or something.
Also, cops need to take a (between two and four) year course in a good college/university, and get accepted in a police force. It's not just, hand in your resume and you're in. I've just completed my courses and am registered in the RCMP. It's awesome, it's like the CSI of Canada.[/QUOTE]
Plus (here in Minnesota) they have to pass POST ( Peace Officer Standards and Training ) and then have to complete a vigorous application that has them list EVERY SINGLE job, manager, and housing that they ever had.
[QUOTE=areolop;29853314]Typical American:
When pulled over, Fuck the police.
When their life is in danger and they need someone to help them, Thank god for the police.
[i]You hate us, until you need us[/i][/QUOTE]
Sounds like something a pig would say
[QUOTE=Deweze;29875439]Sounds like something a pig would say[/QUOTE]
What are your parameters?
[QUOTE=Deweze;29875439]Sounds like something a pig would say[/QUOTE]
Police Explorer for 3 Years, and the rank of Captain. You sir are right.
[QUOTE=SmashBrosFan11;29852645] I have also seen one park right in front of a fire hydrant. I would've recorded it, but I am a teenager and don't have the nerve. :P[/QUOTE]
Enough movies have taught me that that's something you would want to avoid. Otherwise you might end up with brick through your head and a bullet in your window.
[QUOTE=Rautatie;29868198]Police is here to protect us. Unless you're a criminal, you don't need to give a shit about police officers invading your privacy or anything like that. If you care about it, you're basically a criminal because you're preventing them from doing their job. Their job is to prevent crime and you're preventing them from doing it.
So, more power to the police!
OH GOD THE BOXES, THEY HURT SO MUCH! MY EYES![/QUOTE]
That's not really the right mindset. Police are people, just like you and I. People make mistakes. Some people like to abuse power. You can see this in other professions, like shitty managers, or shitty school teachers. I'm not saying everyone should distrust every police officer they ever meet, I just want you to acknowledge that they aren't perfect, automated, physical manifestations of the law. In addition, when they are equipped with weapons capable of killing someone, the consequences of them screwing up can be pretty awful.
[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;29855806][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth,_Minnesota#Demographics[/url]
1.6% Black/African-American.
I actually saw a police cruiser in my neighborhood for the second time in my life today. I've lived here 16 years.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, I actually lived there for a few years. I don't know what neighborhood you live in, but the Lincoln Park/Denfeld areas have ALOT of Police Officers patrolling. I'm pretty sure it's higher than 1.6 percent blacks around there too.
Also, the idea that police should somehow be less responsible for their mistakes than people in other jobs because otherwise "they can't do their job properly" is stupid. If a surgeon or pilot makes a really bad mistake that costs someone their life, they are held accountable. So should police officers.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;29876083]Also, the idea that police should somehow be less responsible for their mistakes than people in other jobs because otherwise "they can't do their job properly" is stupid. If a surgeon or pilot makes a really bad mistake that costs someone their life, they are held accountable. So should police officers.[/QUOTE]
Being a Police is hard when every move you make, you also have to make a backup so that you dont get sued.
I win, my village is 97% White, 0.27% African American.
Lol I live in Chicago 36% Black.
[QUOTE=areolop;29876161]Being a Police is hard when every move you make, you also have to make a backup so that you dont get sued.[/QUOTE]
That is not a correct statement to make because it is based in nothing. They only have to worry about being sued if they do something illegal. There is no big gray area. Police officers who get sued and who are in the right win their cases. Police officers who are in the wrong and get sued often win their cases, and when they lose, the punishment is ofter very weak. This is because the judicatory system is generally very soft on law enforcement, even in cases where they shouldn't be. We can get into specifics if you want.
Here is a basic logical argument based in syllogism
People with authority need to be held to a higher standard
Police have a high level of authority
Police need to be held to a higher standard
There are two ways of falsifying this argument. The first is proving that police do not have a higher level of authority than a normal citizen, which you aren't going to be able to prove wrong. The second is to argue that people with more authority should not be held to a higher standard, and if you are going to argue that, I wish you luck.
I don't condone irrational hate against law enforcement, but I do not support sympathy when law enforcement agents abuse their powers, especially when the repercussions for doing so are so small.
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;29866401]if the police want to search your stuff, they have the authority to in public. let them do their fucking job[/QUOTE]
Not in the United States they don't.
4th Amendment, homeboy.
[QUOTE=MR-X;29853070]Only people I don't like are motorcycle cops because all they do is hand out tickets all day, fuckers.[/QUOTE]
I got pulled over by one 3 days ago, gave me a ticket over $300. I'm a motorcycle rider too, so I thought maybe he'd let me off with a warning because riders tend to be nice to eachother. Still gave me the ticket.
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Once I was walking to the soda shop when a cop pulled up next to me and shot me multiple times, breaking my lungs with his bullets. I got mad and told him I might report him, so he drove away. When I got to the soda shop he was waiting for me and he stabbed me in the stomach and started pulling out all of the food I ate the day before. This made my cheeks turn red because some of the kids at my school were watching! I then tried to push him away, so then he arrested me. I am typing this from prison. I shouldn't have been so mean to him now that I think about it.
[QUOTE=meepugh;29876909]Once I was walking to the soda shop when a cop pulled up next to me and shot me multiple times, breaking my lungs with his bullets. I got mad and told him I might report him, so he drove away. When I got to the soda shop he was waiting for me and he stabbed me in the stomach and started pulling out all of the food I ate the day before. This made my cheeks turn red because some of the kids at my school were watching! I then tried to push him away, so then he arrested me. I am typing this from prison. I shouldn't have been so mean to him now that I think about it.[/QUOTE]
This is awful satire.
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;29876596]Not in the United States they don't.
4th Amendment, homeboy.[/QUOTE]
They have the right to search you if there is reasonable suspicion or probably cause. This includes your car as well although it is only supposed to allow searching of the immediate area of the driver. The majority of searches are voluntary in which the suspect complies with the search, which makes an unwarranted search completely legitimate. The methods used to induce a voluntary search are often forceful words, lies, and threats. Law enforcement are given the ability to lie if they feel it serves a purpose, so they can say "we got a report of somebody smoking marijuana down here with a similar description to you, and you smell like marijuana" in which case the officer was completely lying about a witness. In some cases this complicates things, but in most it makes the suspect react in a different way and makes them feel more vulnerable and less sure if any search requests are mandatory or not. This is especially the case in car searches, the officer will tell you absolutely any lie to get you to give permission.
I've experienced this when getting busted for smoking pot in the college dorm, and they made a very convincing case that we had to open the door when we didn't. In the mandatory drug program I had to attend, the guy talking pretty much told us how not to get caught and that the cops will tell you anything, including lies, to get you to open the door. But as long as you refuse, they can't open the door or force you to open the door. I actually wasn't going to open the door, but my friend's roommate gave in really easy.
Another big issue is with younger people. A younger person appearing in court to claim that they were unlawfully searched aren't going to stand a chance, especially if they were charged for something such as possession. There isn't any real chance of the court taking a younger person's word seriously against a cop's.
Police up here in Maine are pretty incompetent, one night me and some friends were shitting around with the phone and my asshole friend dialed 911, it only rang once but 20 minutes later we heard some knocking and thought it was our other friend (who loves to arrive 2 hours late for everything) so we just ignored him as a kidding gesture but yep, it was the cops and they broke down the door because they were afraid of an emergency.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;29877234]Police up here in Maine are pretty incompetent, one night me and some friends were shitting around with the phone and my asshole friend dialed 911, it only rang once but 20 minutes later we heard some knocking and thought it was our other friend (who loves to arrive 2 hours late for everything) so we just ignored him as a kidding gesture but yep, it was the cops and they broke down the door because they were afraid of an emergency.[/QUOTE]
Well I can imagine there are a lot of cases where people call and don't say anything and it is an emergency.
[QUOTE=Pepin;29877086]They have the right to search you if there is reasonable suspicion or probably cause. This includes your car as well although it is only supposed to allow searching of the immediate area of the driver. The majority of searches are voluntary in which the suspect complies with the search, which makes an unwarranted search completely legitimate. The methods used to induce a voluntary search are often forceful words, lies, and threats. Law enforcement are given the ability to lie if they feel it serves a purpose, so they can say "we got a report of somebody smoking marijuana down here with a similar description to you, and you smell like marijuana" in which case the officer was completely lying about a witness. In some cases this complicates things, but in most it makes the suspect react in a different way and makes them feel more vulnerable and less sure if any search requests are mandatory or not. This is especially the case in car searches, the officer will tell you absolutely any lie to get you to give permission.
I've experienced this when getting busted for smoking pot in the college dorm, and they made a very convincing case that we had to open the door when we didn't. In the mandatory drug program I had to attend, the guy talking pretty much told us how not to get caught and that the cops will tell you anything, including lies, to get you to open the door. But as long as you refuse, they can't open the door or force you to open the door. I actually wasn't going to open the door, but my friend's roommate gave in really easy.
Another big issue is with younger people. A younger person appearing in court to claim that they were unlawfully searched aren't going to stand a chance, especially if they were charged for something such as possession. There isn't any real chance of the court taking a younger person's word seriously against a cop's.[/QUOTE]
...but I knew that :saddowns:
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;29877974]...but I knew that :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
Not saying you didn't, but I am saying that the 4th amendment is easily bypassed and not even a factor in cases where the plaintiff has low credibility (teenagers).
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